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November 17, 2013, 04:53:12 PM
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What would be the most likely form(s) of attack? 
This site always shows the 51% attack costs:
http://coinometrics.com/bitcoin/brix
but part of the ASICs they could acquire for free by seizing them.

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November 17, 2013, 05:01:29 PM
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What would be the most likely form(s) of attack? 
This site always shows the 51% attack costs:
http://coinometrics.com/bitcoin/brix
but part of the ASICs they could acquire for free by seizing them.

At this point, this could be done by controlling two largest pools.
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November 19, 2013, 10:26:47 AM
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What would be the most likely form(s) of attack? 
This site always shows the 51% attack costs:
http://coinometrics.com/bitcoin/brix
but part of the ASICs they could acquire for free by seizing them.

At this point, this could be done by controlling two largest pools.

Yes, this is a serious risk.  If the pool members were blind followers, or individually feel that they have something to gain by sticking in the pool and didn't break off.

Then we all lose.  Even them.

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November 19, 2013, 10:44:37 AM
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Search for Transactions Withholding Attack. BitCON is designed to go to the government.

Also Martin Armstrong picked up on most of the points in my recent writings (except he missed my reasons why BitCON is a ponzi scheme):

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2013/11/19/congressional-hearings-on-bitcoin/

See also this related thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=331325.msg3572508#msg3572508

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November 19, 2013, 11:29:25 AM
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Search for Transactions Withholding Attack. BitCON is designed to go to the government.

Also Martin Armstrong picked up on most of the points in my recent writings (except he missed my reasons why BitCON is a ponzi scheme):

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2013/11/19/congressional-hearings-on-bitcoin/

See also this related thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=331325.msg3572508#msg3572508

Currently USGovt is holding some 180K bitcoin from just silk road?  That's more than the Winklevoss ETF.

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November 27, 2013, 09:48:55 AM
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What would be the most likely form(s) of attack? 
This site always shows the 51% attack costs:
http://coinometrics.com/bitcoin/brix
but part of the ASICs they could acquire for free by seizing them.

At this point, this could be done by controlling two largest pools.

Yes, this is a serious risk.  If the pool members were blind followers, or individually feel that they have something to gain by sticking in the pool and didn't break off.

Then we all lose.  Even them.
Pool members especially casual ones are generally blind followers.  If not by ignorance then mostly by time constraints.  Small miners don't watch the pool nonstop.  The solution is to solo mine but most people don't do it.

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November 27, 2013, 11:17:06 AM
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mining these days is mostly centralized, you have few pools that have the most of the network hash power, p2pool is not that popular which really bothers me, so an attacker (could be US government or any one else) in has to achieve that 51% in order to start his own fork and do a big mess.

the easiest way and most efficient is to heavily DDOS the biggest pools, they say that they are DDOS protected but 100 DDOS protection is a myth, so lets say the attacker can take the biggest 3 pools (BTCguild, GHash.IO, Eligius) this is equal to 66% of the network hash rate.

so the technical aspect of the scenario is possible, but the question that popup is why ? if I have that kind of power I would just mine and make money, because such operation will cost millions of dollars, who wants to invest (lose) millions of dollars to do such thing ?

the million dollar question is what the government and big organizations think of Bitcoin ? in which position Bitcoin stands ? is bitcoin a threat for them ? will they ever regulate bitcoin ?

it is a serious matter that should be discussed but when you have the answers to these questions it will be easier to imagine the 51% attack.


The biggest problem is the mistake that was made not to allow normal computer processors to mine efficiently.  If this was made, then millions of people would have their miners running.  With millions of users mining, you could never easily take over 51% of the market.  But instead, the mining is designed in such a way that you can develop specific cards that make normal computer invalid.  What happens then?  Well, all the mining is centralized to those few who have these cards.  And it's much easier to target.

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November 27, 2013, 08:59:40 PM
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You do realize that a 51% can be fixed?

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