Bucky Fuller Spaceship Earth, the NSA and Bitcoin

[bitrebel]

In Spaceship Earth, Bucky lays out the grand scheme of change.
The Old World Order consisted of Kings and bloodlines who ruled the Earth.
These bloodlines built large ships to travel across the ocean and bring back goods and products, including foods, oils, cloth, and jewelry and gold and silver.
The Kings built their empires by taking from other lands and importing wealth via large maritime ships. These were the first Pirate Ships.
The Pirate ships had to be led by Captains versed in sailing the high seas, and thus the Captains and their crew were so depended upon by the kings and land rulers that they became subservient to them in the long run. Without the Merchant vessels being led by able Captains the Kings could not gain more ground, and build more wealth. The Captains of the ships, the Pirates became the new wealthy. They ruled the Maritime, and brought it on shore with the advent of Maritime Law, combined with Merchant Law and Equity. These were the new wealthy elite, the Pirates, otherwise known as the Freemasons.
The Freemasons built a solid, powerful empire on land, created all forms of governments, and created the most powerful, devastating force the world has ever had to reckon and deal with, the Modern Fiat Federal Reserve Central Banking System, which now loans it's imaginary credit to all nations, takes land, and wealth in the form of interest on those loans and preys on all people, behind the scenes, and in almost complete stealth. They are now the true rulers of man.
Buckminster Fuller wrote about how there is a new elite evolving on the planet since the advent of computers. Now, in this modern day and age, it's different than it was70 years ago. Today, the governments of the world rely on computers for all forms of communication, economics, banking, and most importantly, WAR!  But the elite money makers rely on one new group of people for their survival, the new technocracy, the technological crowd, the geeks, the programmers, the nerds, and the underdogs of society, to many. These "geeks and nerds" have no desire for war, they only want to hack, crack codes, and play games. But they are NEEDED by the banking elite to enforce the agenda of the New World Order.
So, while the bankers are busy funding government, funding war, funding surveillance and code breaking, the new technological crowd decided they would change the game, once and for all, COMPLETELY, and finally OVERTHROW the Old World Banking crowd, and institute their new form of democratic technology (technocracy) at it's finest,

and we now have "Bitcoin".

Goodbye Bankers, Goodbye!

[bitrebel]

Bankers to NSA:  Okay, NSA, you can have some funding. We'll give you x number of dollars and we need to build a bulletproof cryptographic key system to keep all our military communications secret.

NSA to Bankers: Great, I believe we can work together. You'll pay us how much to do this?

Bankers to NSA: We'll pay you 500 Million dollars and each of your workers get's $250,000 per year.

NSA to Bankers: Sure, we'll agree to that.

NSA to NSA (Inside the Agency) : Can you believe this bullshit? We only get paid $250,000 per year and these guys create money out of thin air to loan back to us, AND we have to pay TAXES ON THAT!!!

NSA to NSA (Inside the Agency) : FUCK THAT!, let's build our own currency, and see how they like it!

Now, of course this conversation is hypothetical, but can anyone imagine that some computer geeks working for the NSA are going to actually believe in what the Bankers are doing to the world, knowing full well, they can build a better system, and replace them, and create their own funding mechanism at the same time?

It never had to be the NSA, all it took were a couple well intentioned geeks, with another agenda completely. A prankster or two, working inside, to topple the status quo, once and for all.

[LightRider]

In a resource based economy, we wouldn't have to resort to primitive token exchange (of which bitcoin is a fancy version) to organize society for the betterment of all people.

[QuestionAuthority]

In a resource based economy, we wouldn't have to resort to primitive token exchange (of which bitcoin is a fancy version) to organize society for the betterment of all people.

What happened to that long thread you had talking about the resource based economy Lightrider? I used to enjoy reading that.

[LightRider]

In a resource based economy, we wouldn't have to resort to primitive token exchange (of which bitcoin is a fancy version) to organize society for the betterment of all people.

What happened to that long thread you had talking about the resource based economy Lightrider? I used to enjoy reading that.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5373.0

[QuestionAuthority]

In a resource based economy, we wouldn't have to resort to primitive token exchange (of which bitcoin is a fancy version) to organize society for the betterment of all people.

What happened to that long thread you had talking about the resource based economy Lightrider? I used to enjoy reading that.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5373.0

Thanks, I bumped it.

[Gabi]

In a resource based economy, we wouldn't have to resort to primitive token exchange (of which bitcoin is a fancy version) to organize society for the betterment of all people.

Oh yeah, let's ship some tons of wood to buy something on internet

[Vanderi]

In a resource based economy, we wouldn't have to resort to primitive token exchange (of which bitcoin is a fancy version) to organize society for the betterment of all people.

Oh yeah, let's ship some tons of wood to buy something on internet

I hear squirrelfurs are the new bitcoin

[mobodick]

In a resource based economy, we wouldn't have to resort to primitive token exchange (of which bitcoin is a fancy version) to organize society for the betterment of all people.

The only problem is that we, as the world population, cannot have this mythical resource based economy.
The idea is an ideal that cannot be reached without the cooperation of most humans on earth. All previous control structures, production structures and infrastructures would first need to be replaced before this can take off.
It is an unrealistical dream from our current perspective as humans and it is a waste of time to think about it without a sound plan for how to get there in the first place.
I haven't heared even one proponent of this resource based economy talk about a sensible plan to actually change the world so that this idea could even remotely be implementable. It's all about everyone in the world magically hugging their neighbours. Meanwhile, in the real world, people in egypt are still fighting out their religion vs secular war.
You cannot have a resource based economy when people still fight over ideologies.
And the plan for a resource based economy does absolutely nothing to resolve such conflicts.
So untill someone comes up with a solid plan for a transition i can only say: "Dream on, buddy."

[bitrebel]

In a resource based economy, we wouldn't have to resort to primitive token exchange (of which bitcoin is a fancy version) to organize society for the betterment of all people.

The only problem is that we, as the world population, cannot have this mythical resource based economy.
The idea is an ideal that cannot be reached without the cooperation of most humans on earth. All previous control structures, production structures and infrastructures would first need to be replaced before this can take off.
It is an unrealistical dream from our current perspective as humans and it is a waste of time to think about it without a sound plan for how to get there in the first place.
I haven't heared even one proponent of this resource based economy talk about a sensible plan to actually change the world so that this idea could even remotely be implementable. It's all about everyone in the world magically hugging their neighbours. Meanwhile, in the real world, people in egypt are still fighting out their religion vs secular war.
You cannot have a resource based economy when people still fight over ideologies.
And the plan for a resource based economy does absolutely nothing to resolve such conflicts.
So untill someone comes up with a solid plan for a transition i can only say: "Dream on, buddy."

Precisely why Zeitgeist 2 SUCKS ASS!!!!

Resource based economies are IMPOSSIBLE to achieve without unanimous support.
That's why the dollar and other currencies work as a "Medium of exchange". Without a medium of exchange, people cannot trade items back and forth, while knowing they are not loosing out on what is rightfully theirs.

If I have a horse stable, and I trade horses and feed, and you have sheep and trade wool, etc. If I want some wool, I'm not going to give you a whole horse for it. I will need some change for that transaction. Without a medium of exchange, there is no "change". Not everything in this world has equal value, and most people will not work for less value than they feel they deserve.

No system will work which requires people to cooperate.

Bitcoin works because it exists WITHOUT the need to perpetuate it. If you choose to adopt it, you can, and when you choose to walk away, you can.
That is what makes something like Bitcoin, "work".

If it requires everyone to adopt it, it will NEVER work.

[LightRider]

It is apparent you have not sought out or bothered to even give a perfunctory look at the stated plans associated with a resource based economy. The initial stage of the plan is precisely to inform and educate the global population that such ideas, methods and alternatives do exist and can be implemented. To say that a plan that requires educated and informed participation and effort will never work is condemning every successful large scale project in human history to failure, despite the obvious evidence to the contrary. If you spent less time and energy on trying to condemn and marginalize such efforts, and were otherwise learning about and encouraging others to work together, then perhaps this realization of a better world for all people would come about sooner than never.

[bitrebel]

It is apparent you have not sought out or bothered to even give a perfunctory look at the stated plans associated with a resource based economy. The initial stage of the plan is precisely to inform and educate the global population that such ideas, methods and alternatives do exist and can be implemented. To say that a plan that requires educated and informed participation and effort will never work is condemning every successful large scale project in human history to failure, despite the obvious evidence to the contrary. If you spent less time and energy on trying to condemn and marginalize such efforts, and were otherwise learning about and encouraging others to work together, then perhaps this realization of a better world for all people would come about sooner than never.

Absolute sillyness!
This is the problem with Unicorns and Rainbows. Sure they are cute and pretty, but the world is not going to worship them anytime soon.
You need to seriously reconsider this idealistic Utopian FANTASY!!!

You can educate people all you want, but it still relies on people who HAVE TO DO SOMETHING YOUR WAY......In order for it to work.
NO IDEA in human history has ever worked, that required people to understand something esoteric and then adopt it personally, in order for it to evolve as an idea.
IT HAS NEVER WORKED and IT NEVER WILL!!!

You have to have a system that can be easily adopted by people willingly, and when a majority of people do it, AND IT WORKS.....THEN, and ONLY THEN, do you have a successful idea.

Zetigeist 2 is the lamest idea I have ever heard of.

If you truly want to learn how to change the world by forcing people to do it your way. Study the Masons and how they used trickery and deceit to accomplish everything in the last 2000 years or so. They set up a system that people believed in, initially, then they slowly, over 200 years, changed that system to one that benefits them exclusively. This was done with stealth, lies, subterfuge, blackmail, extortion and murder. Most importantly, it was done slowly, once everyone bought into a good idea of a new system. There is only one way to force people to adopt your system, and that is by stealth, lies, blackmail, subterfuge, extortion and MURDER!

Other than that...you could become the next Satoshi, and invent something new that lots of people actually like and believe in. That' show it's done.

It's a nice idea, but only idealistically. It's not worth the .02 it takes to produce a dvd.

IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!!

Take it from me, I will bet you anything in the world. Even 10,000 bitcoins, it will NEVER happen in the next 100 years. It may happen eventually...
In 10,000 years from now. When people are MUCH DIFFERENT than they are now.

Sorry to pop the bubble of bliss.

You cannot force people to do something your way, in order for an idea to blossom.

Something you undoubtedly do NOT understand about "systems" is that systems WORK because they WORK. It's energetic equality. A system that WORKS is set up TO WORK, not to fail. That is WHY they work. It has to work, ALL BY ITSELF. It cannot require obedience in order to achieve success, or it WILL NOT WORK.

[LightRider]

So is it never, 1000 years or 100 years? Let me tell you some things that man could never achieve:

Sailing across the ocean.
Traveling faster than the speed of sound.
Going to the moon.
Landing a machine on Mars.
Organ transplant.
Powered flight.

Perhaps you want to remain on the correct side of history and say not never, because never is a long, very long, long long time. Even 100 years is much shorter than never.

If not never, then perhaps this goal can be attained even faster the more people learn about, consider and implement it, instead of saying it could never happen.

[bitrebel]

So is it never, 1000 years or 100 years? Let me tell you some things that man could never achieve:

Sailing across the ocean.
Traveling faster than the speed of sound.
Going to the moon.
Landing a machine on Mars.
Organ transplant.
Powered flight.

Perhaps you want to remain on the correct side of history and say not never, because never is a long, very long, long long time. Even 100 years is much shorter than never.

If not never, then perhaps this goal can be attained even faster the more people learn about, consider and implement it, instead of saying it could never happen.

Well, your optimism is admirable. To say the least.

But contrary to popular belief, the worlds oceans were sailed thousands of years ago.
The speed of sound was done by civilizations that long preceded us.
We went to the moon long before 1969 and when we did, in 1969, we never went there.
Mars was occupied long before Earth was.
Many species of beings have carried out organ transplants long before humans evolved.
And we certainly didn't invent the airplane.

So, while I admire your optimism, the belief in these achievements as human endeavors is unbelievable.

The fact is, the world is not under human control. If it was, ideas like your would be much easier to implement.

[bitrebel]

Are the Technocracy the New Illuminati?
Was Bucky right?


SecondMarket CEO: Wall Street Will Put 'Hundreds of Millions' Into Bitcoin

Read more: http://www.entrepreneur.com/article/230346#ixzz2nRKSOhhJ

"Wall Street is getting ready to dive into Bitcoin, pouring vast amounts of institutional and investor money into the digital currency that has been labeled a "bubble" by former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan and which not long ago was seen as the sole preserve of crypto-geeks, monetary-theory wonks and anti-government types.

So says Barry Silbert, founder and chief executive of SecondMarket, the online platform that allows its users to trade private company stocks. "We're three to six months away from Wall Street dollars moving into Bitcoin in a big way," he says."

Read more: http://www.entrepreneur.com/article/230346#ixzz2nRKjBJpS

[bitrebel]

I think something that people fail to realize is the fact that without techno savvy people, the NWO cannot compete against those with systems like bitcoin.
The Rothschilds are not programmers, they are gold hoarders and lenders. They simply PAY people to work for them, but they could not understand nor deal with the technological world they live in today, all by themselves.

It has already been taken away from them.

Many of you just do not realize that yet.