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January 06, 2014, 10:26:12 PM
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And when it comes to refuges who are interned in detainment camps, run by one of the three international corporations that run these 'prisons', what is criminal is the treatment these people receive. These corporations receive about $50K per year per refuge they keep locked up, and there are stories of entire families in detention for years and years. There are vast areas of most countries that need developing, why not set up immigrants where they can live freely and create their own future?  


I agree, but who is running and get paid to run these camps you speak of? Any more info?

Searches bring up lots of information that is not publicly known. From http://www.detentionwatchnetwork.org/privateprisons

"The three largest corporations with stakes in immigration detention today are Corrections Corporations of America (CCA), the GEO Group, Inc., and the Management and Training Corporation (MTC)."

CCA is #1 according to http://www.businessofdetention.com/

And you can find more information at http://www.detentionwatchnetwork.org/privateprisons_note2

Thank you for your interest.


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January 07, 2014, 08:18:36 AM
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There would be a huge amount of cheap labor. I said anyone can come in.

Cheap labor will cause another problem. The average salary will go down. Local people, who were previously receiving $15 / hr for their work will receive something like $8 / hr.

Better cheap labor locally than outsourcing.

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January 07, 2014, 04:18:00 PM
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Anything but muslims

lol.... so the problem will be solved if they convert to Christianity?

I dont care what ficticious religion they choose practice, as long as they dont yell discrimination as we force our countrys laws upon them.

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January 08, 2014, 06:24:58 AM
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I dont care what ficticious religion they choose practice, as long as they dont yell discrimination as we force our countrys laws upon them.

If the immigrants feel that they don't have to obey the laws, then the problem lies with the law-enforcement authorities.
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January 08, 2014, 07:06:32 AM
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Just let everyone live where they wish.

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January 08, 2014, 09:46:51 AM
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Just let everyone live where they wish.

+1111111

Can I come stay in your house for free?

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January 08, 2014, 09:49:26 AM
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Just let everyone live where they wish.

+1111111

Can I come stay in your house for free?

lol.. epic. For some people immigrants are Okay as long as they stay away from their neighborhoods.
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January 08, 2014, 12:20:14 PM
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Just let everyone live where they wish.

+1111111

Can I come stay in your house for free?

There is a big difference you are ignoring:

My house = my private property

My country, my city, my quarter  = a big place were a lot of people live. Noone owns it.

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January 08, 2014, 12:31:07 PM
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Just let everyone live where they wish.

+1111111

Can I come stay in your house for free?

lol.. epic. For some people immigrants are Okay as long as they stay away from their neighborhoods.

Yeah, as long as they don't bother them. Funny how people complain at immigrants breaking the law or being a nuisance, but not their natives. It's simply just racism/misplaced hatred.

Just let everyone live where they wish.

+1111111

Can I come stay in your house for free?

There is a big difference you are ignoring:

My house = my private property

My country, my city, my quarter  = a big place were a lot of people live. Noone owns it.

But he said Just let everyone live where they wish. What if I wished to stay in his property for free? My point is, you have to be pretty naive and have little to no understanding of economics if you think you can let everyone go wherever they want without there being dire economical consequences.  You can't let almost unlimited amounts of people into your country to live, then give them houses and let them use the services and claim benefits etc all for free whilst not contributing anything themselves. This is my point.

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January 08, 2014, 01:29:05 PM
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Just let everyone live where they wish.

+1111111

Can I come stay in your house for free?

There is a big difference you are ignoring:

My house = my private property

My country, my city, my quarter  = a big place were a lot of people live. Noone owns it.

But he said Just let everyone live where they wish. What if I wished to stay in his property for free? My point is, you have to be pretty naive and have little to no understanding of economics if you think you can let everyone go wherever they want without there being dire economical consequences.  You can't let almost unlimited amounts of people into your country to live, then give them houses and let them use the services and claim benefits etc all for free whilst not contributing anything themselves. This is my point.

Ok, bad choose of words.

But the problems you are afraid of are already in place because of global market.
Workers and companies of your country have to sustain this welth while competing with companies in countries where this welth does not exist.
I believe a Chinese living in China is more harmful  to you than a Chinese living in your quarter.

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January 08, 2014, 02:47:26 PM
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You can't let almost unlimited amounts of people into your country to live, then give them houses and let them use the services and claim benefits etc all for free whilst not contributing anything themselves. This is my point.
If that's your point, I agree with you completely.

So I'll spell it out for you in more detail.

Just let anyone live wherever they want. It would be wrong (and counter-productive) to threaten or use force to stop people from living where they want. But equally those people need to find a place to live without threatening or using force.

So they won't be "living at my place for free", to use your words. But I might rent them a place if I feel like it. Otherwise, someone else will.

Of course no-one should be expected to "give them a house" or "give them benefits". Everyone can freely exchange whatever they choose to offer, for whatever they wish to obtain. That creates a win-win situation and is in every way preferable to forcefully penning people into tax farms, usually the one where their mother happened to give birth.

Well, this is unfortunately/fortunately for some the random reality lottery of life. I don't begrudge anyone emigrating and trying to make a better life for themselves to any place they wish, but there's a limit any country can handle without turning itself into a third-world country eventually. I don't think anybody should be forced anywhere, but restrictions obviously need to be in place.

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January 08, 2014, 06:57:06 PM
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... but restrictions obviously need to be in place.
Advocating something by stating that it you think it is "obvious" does not add value to a discussion. If it really was obvious, there would be no discussion.

Well, I think it's pretty obvious that restrictions need to be in place but obviously some people don't see the obvious  Grin.

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