[QUESTION] is XMR.TO legit? (Privacy, instead of mixing BTC)

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Bitcoin mixer with XMR

I’ve heard mixing BTC is practically Useless. So i’ve been researching BTC-> XMR -> BTC instead.

But i don’t have time to download the whole Blockchain (Monero GUI OSX)

Question 1: is xmr.to legit?

Question 2: Any light/webwallets for XMR (w/o the need to download the whole Blockchain?)

Question 3: Privacy-wise, is this enough?

Bitcoin -> Monero -> Bitcoin, Then those bitcoins are mixed using Helix


XMR.TO

xmrto2bturnore26.onion

[6e3pa6oTHbIu]

It is safe. XMR.TO is very well established in the community and nobody can link your XMR wallet to your BTC address.

It is not like exchanging BTC with ETH through an exchange where everyone is capable of linking every address to a wallet and every wallet to a real person, since Monero's blockchain is obfuscated. Senders are protected through Ring Signatures where 10 different people sign a transaction with you and make you anonymous within a group of signers.

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It is safe. XMR.TO is very well established in the community and nobody can link your XMR wallet to your BTC address.

It is not like exchanging BTC with ETH through an exchange where everyone is capable of linking every address to a wallet and every wallet to a real person, since Monero's blockchain is obfuscated. Senders are protected through Ring Signatures where 10 different people sign a transaction with you and make you anonymous within a group of signers.

I am playing with a few exchangers lately to see how fast they are, the fees and trying to gain some knowledge about the privacy aspects.

From what I know, exchangers are able to link your wallets together, for example if you do BTC -> XMR, they know that the BTC wallet and the XMR wallet where the XMRs go to, belong together.

How is it with xmr.to though? If I send XMR to xmr.to and receive BTC, will xmr keep track of any logs etc. that makes the linkability of the xmr and btc wallet possible (in case you obviously have access to the servers, the logs, and what not)?

Or is xmr.to different and they won't store anything that makes the linkability possible?

[6e3pa6oTHbIu]

It is safe. XMR.TO is very well established in the community and nobody can link your XMR wallet to your BTC address.

It is not like exchanging BTC with ETH through an exchange where everyone is capable of linking every address to a wallet and every wallet to a real person, since Monero's blockchain is obfuscated. Senders are protected through Ring Signatures where 10 different people sign a transaction with you and make you anonymous within a group of signers.

I am playing with a few exchangers lately to see how fast they are, the fees and trying to gain some knowledge about the privacy aspects.

From what I know, exchangers are able to link your wallets together, for example if you do BTC -> XMR, they know that the BTC wallet and the XMR wallet where the XMRs go to, belong together.

How is it with xmr.to though? If I send XMR to xmr.to and receive BTC, will xmr keep track of any logs etc. that makes the linkability of the xmr and btc wallet possible (in case you obviously have access to the servers, the logs, and what not)?

Or is xmr.to different and they won't store anything that makes the linkability possible?

 turned off scripts completely and used the xmr.to onion address and yet, every time my secret url refreshes (which is every 10 seconds or so), it also requests a googleapis.com url for some reason.

This leaks my secret url to google as an http-referer, and therefore actually leaks my transaction details too!

Why?

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It is safe. XMR.TO is very well established in the community and nobody can link your XMR wallet to your BTC address.

It is not like exchanging BTC with ETH through an exchange where everyone is capable of linking every address to a wallet and every wallet to a real person, since Monero's blockchain is obfuscated. Senders are protected through Ring Signatures where 10 different people sign a transaction with you and make you anonymous within a group of signers.

I am playing with a few exchangers lately to see how fast they are, the fees and trying to gain some knowledge about the privacy aspects.

From what I know, exchangers are able to link your wallets together, for example if you do BTC -> XMR, they know that the BTC wallet and the XMR wallet where the XMRs go to, belong together.

How is it with xmr.to though? If I send XMR to xmr.to and receive BTC, will xmr keep track of any logs etc. that makes the linkability of the xmr and btc wallet possible (in case you obviously have access to the servers, the logs, and what not)?

Or is xmr.to different and they won't store anything that makes the linkability possible?

 turned off scripts completely and used the xmr.to onion address and yet, every time my secret url refreshes (which is every 10 seconds or so), it also requests a googleapis.com url for some reason.

This leaks my secret url to google as an http-referer, and therefore actually leaks my transaction details too!

Why?

Ya it is a great service run by a long time community member. There is also a no javascript version of the site.

[slaman29]

Sounds like a good way to cut off any blockchain links to your transactions but forgive me if I don't understand this correctly, why the need to choose XMR specifically? Wouldn't depositing at ANY centralized service and then requesting a withdrawal achieve exactly the same thing?

Of course, if you just do it at an exchange for example, you could get your same coins back but this is very unlikely and you can always check blockchain and if this did happen you can just try again!

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Sounds like a good way to cut off any blockchain links to your transactions but forgive me if I don't understand this correctly, why the need to choose XMR specifically? Wouldn't depositing at ANY centralized service and then requesting a withdrawal achieve exactly the same thing?

Of course, if you just do it at an exchange for example, you could get your same coins back but this is very unlikely and you can always check blockchain and if this did happen you can just try again!

It is like a bitcoin mixer, but using monero to anonymize bitcoins instead of the usual mixing protocols

[Little Mouse]

First of all, you are wrong that bitcoin mixer isn't working. It's working fine for privacy. Use TOR and mix your BTC in ChipMixer, one of the best bitcoin mixer. There is no need for going with XMR. And, I would never trust any web wallet for my fund other than coinbase, even I don't trust coinbase with more than $100. Take some times and download the whole blockchain for whatever you are going to do.

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First of all, you are wrong that bitcoin mixer isn't working. It's working fine for privacy. Use TOR and mix your BTC in ChipMixer, one of the best bitcoin mixer. There is no need for going with XMR. And, I would never trust any web wallet for my fund other than coinbase, even I don't trust coinbase with more than $100. Take some times and download the whole blockchain for whatever you are going to do.

Why? xmr.to  has no accounts, so there can also be no authentication. there is no logs etc.

[6e3pa6oTHbIu]

They recommend to use tor or i2p to hide your ip from you their logs. I wonder if there is or they plan to make xmr.to version for tor (i.e. hidden service) or in i2p (i.e. eepSite). This could provide more protection and also be used by darknet dwellers.