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November 18, 2020, 02:47:47 PM
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if the ban truly enforced, what stops criminals switching from whatsapp to another less popular end-to-end encryption messaging app that's under the radar. Criminals will definitely take extra effort to find the replacement for whatsapp but ordinary, normal and law obeying users gonna have a hard time because they just have no privacy anymore. It just doesn't make sense. Even nowadays criminal already be able making their own messaging app since the source code already floating around every corner of github as of now. It's just the most inneffective way of dealing with the criminal.

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November 19, 2020, 02:13:44 AM
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“Providing backdoors into people’s messages creates ongoing access for government agencies to everyone’s private messages, without reducing the ability for criminals to send encrypted messages via other covert means on the dark web,” said Walsh.
This is precisely the argument I'd have against what they're trying to do--criminals are not going to stop their activities, and the net result is going to be a decrease in freedom and privacy for everyone with no significant improvement as far as catching criminals. 

This shit drives me nuts--governments want more and more power in the name of fighting [insert moral panic issue here], and the public takes it in the ass while the criminals find other ways of conducting their nefarious business.  I'd like to think something like this would never happen in the US, but I'm not that naive.  They've already been caught spying on citizens illegally, so I wouldn't put anything past them.

Thanks for posting this, OP.

Yup, this really isn't going to help anyone at all.

Installing a backdoor, or leaving something open 'only' for the government is an easy way to ensure that hackers and other malicious actors have access to your data. That's the issue with installing a backdoor. It's not about security or anything like that, it's about the fact that if you leave a backdoor for ONE GROUP, that means it's a potential backdoor for EVERYBODY. There's no way to ensure that the only person to use it is the government.

Sigh, I hate this. Government has to notice that they DONT need to see everything even if they want to. SIGH SIGH SIGH.




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November 19, 2020, 08:39:58 AM
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if the ban truly enforced, what stops criminals switching from whatsapp to another less popular end-to-end encryption messaging app that's under the radar. Criminals will definitely take extra effort to find the replacement for whatsapp but ordinary, normal and law obeying users gonna have a hard time because they just have no privacy anymore. It just doesn't make sense. Even nowadays criminal already be able making their own messaging app since the source code already floating around every corner of github as of now. It's just the most inneffective way of dealing with the criminal.


Fighting criminals who use encryption as a tool to launder money might be the main reason why the EU moves towards an encryption ban. There should be more pressure on the big messaging apps like whatsapp to prevent people from exploiting it. It's a great communication tool to connect people from various countries which is the common setup of criminals these days. The live in one country, and travel to another one to do their crimes.
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November 19, 2020, 05:12:15 PM
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if the ban truly enforced, what stops criminals switching from whatsapp to another less popular end-to-end encryption messaging app that's under the radar. Criminals will definitely take extra effort to find the replacement for whatsapp but ordinary, normal and law obeying users gonna have a hard time because they just have no privacy anymore. It just doesn't make sense. Even nowadays criminal already be able making their own messaging app since the source code already floating around every corner of github as of now. It's just the most inneffective way of dealing with the criminal.


Fighting criminals who use encryption as a tool to launder money might be the main reason why the EU moves towards an encryption ban. There should be more pressure on the big messaging apps like whatsapp to prevent people from exploiting it. It's a great communication tool to connect people from various countries which is the common setup of criminals these days. The live in one country, and travel to another one to do their crimes.

Sigh, you're literally a person on a Bitcoin forum talking about telling people that 'yes encryption is good, but criminals use it so its bad and companies should police it'

Yeah that's great and all, and is something that people can unite around, but there is no way to separate the 'good' and the 'bad' when it comes to privacy and trying to stop others, like the government, from reading your communication with others. That's why people dont want the government to end encryption, or to fight against it in some way to get their own backdoor.

A backdoor helps all malicious parties, not just the 'amazing government who cares so much about you'




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