Calling out Atheists

[BADecker]

^^^ But the above is the whole trick. Descartes may have said "I think; therefore I am." But science has only found bio-electric activities regarding the thinking. This means that the so-called "I am" is controlled by cause and effect. This means that it is essentially dictated by whatever programmed C&E to act within the laws of Physics.

I agree that "I am" exists. But we don't have any grasp of how it works. We all seem to be something like a figment of our own imaginations.

[dippididodaday]

...science has only found bio-electric activities regarding the thinking...

Scientists have indeed discovered ... only around 100 billion bio-electrical units (called cells), in the human brain, each of which has the capability to connect to tens of thousands other brain cells. This demonstrates the intricate and complex nature of what is going on inside your head.

[BADecker]

...science has only found bio-electric activities regarding the thinking...

Scientists have indeed discovered ... only around 100 billion bio-electrical units (called cells), in the human brain, each of which has the capability to connect to tens of thousands other brain cells. This demonstrates the intricate and complex nature of what is going on inside your head.

Okay. Somewhat more detailed than the way I said it. Thank you for this. But...

Are you suggesting that it is the complex inter-connectivity that makes the id, or the "I am" part of us? If so, how do you know it? Are there scientific studies that have proof of this, or at least strong evidence?

[dippididodaday]

...Are you suggesting that it is the complex inter-connectivity the makes the id, or the "I am" part of us? If so, how do you know it? Are there scientific studies that have proof of this, or at least strong evidence?

Yes, I am!

From https://www.livescience. com/64345-amazing-brain-2018.html [see 6 of 11] the following excerpt:

"An ancient virus infected people long ago, and this invader left behind its genetic code in our DNA. This year, researchers found that snippets of that ancient viral DNA play a vital role in the communication among brain cells that's required for higher-order thinking."

[BADecker]

...Are you suggesting that it is the complex inter-connectivity that makes the id, or the "I am" part of us? If so, how do you know it? Are there scientific studies that have proof of this, or at least strong evidence?

Yes, I am!

From https://www.livescience.com/64345-amazing-brain-2018.html the following excerpt:

"An ancient virus infected people long ago, and this invader left behind its genetic code in our DNA. This year, researchers found that snippets of that ancient viral DNA play a vital role in the communication among brain cells that's required for higher-order thinking."

Your quote doesn't say anything about "I am" or the proof of it. Does the site have proof anywhere? Science fiction writers write stuff like this all the time.

Again, complex cause and effect doesn't negate cause and effect. We haven't found anything that doesn't operate by C&E. This means that everything was programmed by whatever started the whole thing, and that the "I am" is something other than bio-electric and bio-chemical... because all was programmed to happen by C&E programming.

We are back to the fact, that as far as we scientifically know, our "I am" is simply a figment of itself.

[dippididodaday]

...Are you suggesting that it is the complex inter-connectivity that makes the id, or the "I am" part of us? If so, how do you know it? Are there scientific studies that have proof of this, or at least strong evidence?

Yes, I am!

From https://www.livescience.com/64345-amazing-brain-2018.html the following excerpt:

"An ancient virus infected people long ago, and this invader left behind its genetic code in our DNA. This year, researchers found that snippets of that ancient viral DNA play a vital role in the communication among brain cells that's required for higher-order thinking."

Your quote doesn't say anything about "I am" or the proof of it. Does the site have proof anywhere? Science fiction writers write stuff like this all the time.

Again, complex cause and effect doesn't negate cause and effect. We haven't found anything that doesn't operate by C&E. This means that everything was programmed by whatever started the whole thing, and that the "I am" is something other than bio-electric and bio-chemical... because all was programmed to happen by C&E programming.

We are back to the fact, that as far as we scientifically know, our "I am" is simply a figment of itself.

I think the quote says a lot about the subject, and I also think that the cited research is real and trustworthy. It is not as simple as C&E. This is complexity beyond what determinism-driven C&E thinking will achieve.

[BADecker]

...Are you suggesting that it is the complex inter-connectivity that makes the id, or the "I am" part of us? If so, how do you know it? Are there scientific studies that have proof of this, or at least strong evidence?

Yes, I am!

From https://www.livescience.com/64345-amazing-brain-2018.html the following excerpt:

"An ancient virus infected people long ago, and this invader left behind its genetic code in our DNA. This year, researchers found that snippets of that ancient viral DNA play a vital role in the communication among brain cells that's required for higher-order thinking."

Your quote doesn't say anything about "I am" or the proof of it. Does the site have proof anywhere? Science fiction writers write stuff like this all the time.

Again, complex cause and effect doesn't negate cause and effect. We haven't found anything that doesn't operate by C&E. This means that everything was programmed by whatever started the whole thing, and that the "I am" is something other than bio-electric and bio-chemical... because all was programmed to happen by C&E programming.

We are back to the fact, that as far as we scientifically know, our "I am" is simply a figment of itself.

I think the quote says a lot about the subject, and I also think that the cited research is real and trustworthy. It is not as simple as C&E. This is complexity beyond what determinism-driven C&E thinking will achieve.

Sounds like they think that there is an electron or something, that is acting out of character regarding universe physics. If this is so, then physics doesn't hold true in the universe, and we can expect that sometime gasoline won't run in our cars anymore. We can also expect that science won't be repeatable. But if this is the case, then scientific proof won't hold for the science in the article.

C&E rules. Without finding the soul or spirit, science can't say that the "I am" is any more that determined C&E. Many scientists adamantly reject everything outside of C&E.

[Spendulus]

Who or what created the big bang and who/what created space?  Serious question I want to know.

The Big Bang created space and space, because prior to it, space and time did not exist.

[BADecker]

Who or what created the big bang and who/what created space?  Serious question I want to know.

The Big Bang created space and space, because prior to it, space and time did not exist.

Of course, BB is just a theory with a lot of incomplete science behind it. Why incomplete science? Because nobody knows what else might exist out there, that we are not taking into account because we don't know about it, that makes it look like a BB happened when it really didin't happen.

However, if a BB happened, then we would have to figure out if it was the thing that made the universe or not.