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April 20, 2019, 09:38:35 AM
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If the addresses you have in your wallet show balance and transactions, but those same address have zero transaction history on a Bitcoin block explorer, then that pretty much confirms that nc50lc was correct and you have most probably loaded an altcoin wallet into Bitcoin Core.

You can dump the wallet using PyWallet to see what the addresses are... The address prefix (first characters) should hopefully give you a clue as to the coin type...

Refer:
https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/19589/how-to-determine-what-type-of-coins-a-wallet-dat-contains

You can also use the "strings" method... Open the .dat in a text editor and look for "names" field. Refer:
https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/57122/have-a-bunch-of-wallet-dat-files-what-alt-coins-do-they-have-and-may-be-how-mu

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April 20, 2019, 09:45:14 AM
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Hmm ... sounds like someone involved in spamming the network in the past ...

I guess that's why you wont say what the address(es) is/are?

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April 20, 2019, 12:55:11 PM
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If the addresses you have in your wallet show balance and transactions, but those same address have zero transaction history on a Bitcoin block explorer, then that pretty much confirms that nc50lc was correct and you have most probably loaded an altcoin wallet into Bitcoin Core.

You can dump the wallet using PyWallet to see what the addresses are... The address prefix (first characters) should hopefully give you a clue as to the coin type...

Refer:
https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/19589/how-to-determine-what-type-of-coins-a-wallet-dat-contains

You can also use the "strings" method... Open the .dat in a text editor and look for "names" field. Refer:
https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/57122/have-a-bunch-of-wallet-dat-files-what-alt-coins-do-they-have-and-may-be-how-mu

Here example of addresses:
1NwUfBG7kKNKjtoTbj8557Ty8MYiGXYupV
1NzGg6KKApR6M5SKSWGjfScsokVZK68yEc
1P2SjcwEJ1hrgWPjdFRfNiDvEpq6DJ8S8A
1P5JGtjq65L7mcW5B2ESHe8RCqQfW5KNE6
1P5QtTVmTYyPwqGU8BHJxQyndbgQ3gFzK1

They all starts from 1, am I right that it’s btc?
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April 20, 2019, 01:13:08 PM
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If the addresses you have in your wallet show balance and transactions, but those same address have zero transaction history on a Bitcoin block explorer, then that pretty much confirms that nc50lc was correct and you have most probably loaded an altcoin wallet into Bitcoin Core.

You can dump the wallet using PyWallet to see what the addresses are... The address prefix (first characters) should hopefully give you a clue as to the coin type...

Refer:
https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/19589/how-to-determine-what-type-of-coins-a-wallet-dat-contains

You can also use the "strings" method... Open the .dat in a text editor and look for "names" field. Refer:
https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/57122/have-a-bunch-of-wallet-dat-files-what-alt-coins-do-they-have-and-may-be-how-mu

Here example of addresses:
1NwUfBG7kKNKjtoTbj8557Ty8MYiGXYupV
1NzGg6KKApR6M5SKSWGjfScsokVZK68yEc
1P2SjcwEJ1hrgWPjdFRfNiDvEpq6DJ8S8A
1P5JGtjq65L7mcW5B2ESHe8RCqQfW5KNE6
1P5QtTVmTYyPwqGU8BHJxQyndbgQ3gFzK1

They all starts from 1, am I right that it’s btc?
Yes, those are bitcoin adresses, and you can put them in any blockchain explorer..?

None of them hold any balance though? I'm guessing that your bitcoin core wallet might still be syncing, and has currently only caught up until the moment in time when these adresses DID have any balance..?

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April 20, 2019, 02:04:44 PM
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If the addresses you have in your wallet show balance and transactions, but those same address have zero transaction history on a Bitcoin block explorer, then that pretty much confirms that nc50lc was correct and you have most probably loaded an altcoin wallet into Bitcoin Core.

You can dump the wallet using PyWallet to see what the addresses are... The address prefix (first characters) should hopefully give you a clue as to the coin type...

Refer:
https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/19589/how-to-determine-what-type-of-coins-a-wallet-dat-contains

You can also use the "strings" method... Open the .dat in a text editor and look for "names" field. Refer:
https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/57122/have-a-bunch-of-wallet-dat-files-what-alt-coins-do-they-have-and-may-be-how-mu

Here example of addresses:
1NwUfBG7kKNKjtoTbj8557Ty8MYiGXYupV
1NzGg6KKApR6M5SKSWGjfScsokVZK68yEc
1P2SjcwEJ1hrgWPjdFRfNiDvEpq6DJ8S8A
1P5JGtjq65L7mcW5B2ESHe8RCqQfW5KNE6
1P5QtTVmTYyPwqGU8BHJxQyndbgQ3gFzK1

They all starts from 1, am I right that it’s btc?
Yes, those are bitcoin adresses, and you can put them in any blockchain explorer..?

None of them hold any balance though? I'm guessing that your bitcoin core wallet might still be syncing, and has currently only caught up until the moment in time when these adresses DID have any balance..?
Yes, any blockchain explorer.
I downloaded full blockchain twice and it’s always synchronized.
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April 20, 2019, 02:17:14 PM
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Here example of addresses:
1NwUfBG7kKNKjtoTbj8557Ty8MYiGXYupV
1NzGg6KKApR6M5SKSWGjfScsokVZK68yEc
1P2SjcwEJ1hrgWPjdFRfNiDvEpq6DJ8S8A
1P5JGtjq65L7mcW5B2ESHe8RCqQfW5KNE6
1P5QtTVmTYyPwqGU8BHJxQyndbgQ3gFzK1

They all starts from 1, am I right that it’s btc?
Addresses are just derived from the private keys that were stored in the wallet.dat and if you load it to Bitcoin Core, those will be derived as bitcoin addresses no matter the compatible source wallet is.
However, there are transactions in the history shown in bitcoin blockexplorers.
Though most of them are "null" and can't be OP_Return, there is indeed a "history".

Good, there's high a chance that it's a Bitcoin Core wallet.dat  Wink

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April 20, 2019, 04:53:02 PM
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-snip-
Here example of addresses:
1NwUfBG7kKNKjtoTbj8557Ty8MYiGXYupV
1NzGg6KKApR6M5SKSWGjfScsokVZK68yEc
1P2SjcwEJ1hrgWPjdFRfNiDvEpq6DJ8S8A
1P5JGtjq65L7mcW5B2ESHe8RCqQfW5KNE6
1P5QtTVmTYyPwqGU8BHJxQyndbgQ3gFzK1

They all starts from 1, am I right that it’s btc?
Addresses are just derived from the private keys that were stored in the wallet.dat and if you load it to Bitcoin Core, those will be derived as bitcoin addresses no matter the compatible source wallet is.
However, there are transactions in the history shown in bitcoin blockexplorers.
Though most of them are "null" and can't be OP_Return, there is indeed a "history".

Good, there's high a chance that it's a Bitcoin Core wallet.dat  Wink

So, how is it possible that bitcoin core shows me 8,9 BTC balance and blockexplorer shows 0?
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April 20, 2019, 05:11:20 PM
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Most likely your wallet is corrupted, your Bitcoin Core experience error (you can check debug.log) or wallet that you found is manipulated (most likely scenario). Quote from achow101 about fake/manipulated wallet

I am not an expert and I am trying to understand. This would mean that this user has 0 BTC? If so, where did he see that dust he was mentioning in the first message?
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April 20, 2019, 10:15:54 PM
Last edit: April 20, 2019, 10:26:11 PM by HCP
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No... It would appear the addresses posted DID receive dust (a lot of 0.00001000 btc UTXOs back in 2015)...

1NwUfBG7kKNKjtoTbj8557Ty8MYiGXYupV
1NzGg6KKApR6M5SKSWGjfScsokVZK68yEc
1P2SjcwEJ1hrgWPjdFRfNiDvEpq6DJ8S8A
1P5JGtjq65L7mcW5B2ESHe8RCqQfW5KNE6
1P5QtTVmTYyPwqGU8BHJxQyndbgQ3gFzK1

However, they were all effectively "burned" in "null data" transactions that used the 0.00001000 btc as a transaction fee.

An example is decoded here: https://api.blockcypher.com/v1/btc/main/txs/99967491afcdddb7e1b695ec19f14cd4093d8eb4304de7f120209f392a5c9ab6?limit=50&includeHex=true

You can see the null data output:
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 "outputs": [
    {
      "value": 0,
      "script": "6a",
      "addresses": null,
      "script_type": "null-data"
    }
  ]
Outputs like this are able to be "ignored" by a node... That is to say, they don't get stored in the UTXO set.

Normally, you would use this for arbitrary "data storage"... But nothing is being stored here, the "script" is simply "6a" (aka OP_RETURN). So the dust is just being burned. Maybe to reduce the dust clutter in the UTXO set... Or maybe just piss off the wallet owner and destroy all their coins? Huh

I'd say that unless the "real" owner (or at least the person who created these null transactions) comes forward... We'll likely never know.

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April 22, 2019, 10:18:59 AM
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No... It would appear the addresses posted DID receive dust (a lot of 0.00001000 btc UTXOs back in 2015)...

1NwUfBG7kKNKjtoTbj8557Ty8MYiGXYupV
1NzGg6KKApR6M5SKSWGjfScsokVZK68yEc
1P2SjcwEJ1hrgWPjdFRfNiDvEpq6DJ8S8A
1P5JGtjq65L7mcW5B2ESHe8RCqQfW5KNE6
1P5QtTVmTYyPwqGU8BHJxQyndbgQ3gFzK1

However, they were all effectively "burned" in "null data" transactions that used the 0.00001000 btc as a transaction fee.

An example is decoded here: https://api.blockcypher.com/v1/btc/main/txs/99967491afcdddb7e1b695ec19f14cd4093d8eb4304de7f120209f392a5c9ab6?limit=50&includeHex=true

You can see the null data output:
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 "outputs": [
    {
      "value": 0,
      "script": "6a",
      "addresses": null,
      "script_type": "null-data"
    }
  ]
Outputs like this are able to be "ignored" by a node... That is to say, they don't get stored in the UTXO set.

Normally, you would use this for arbitrary "data storage"... But nothing is being stored here, the "script" is simply "6a" (aka OP_RETURN). So the dust is just being burned. Maybe to reduce the dust clutter in the UTXO set... Or maybe just piss off the wallet owner and destroy all their coins? Huh

I'd say that unless the "real" owner (or at least the person who created these null transactions) comes forward... We'll likely never know.

Does it mean that 8,9 BTC were burned during null transactions? And Bitcoin core doesn't show zero balance, because null transactions don't get stored in the UTXO set?
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April 22, 2019, 11:19:20 AM
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Without knowing ALL the addresses, i can't know for certain if the whole 8.9 BTC was burned... But i can tell you that the balances of those 5 addresses that you listed definitely were.

I'm honestly not sure why these transactions are not showing in your wallet...
I would have thought that it would show the transactions... As the original 0.00001000 UTXOs were being spent.

However, it's possible that because the were used in a null transaction that Bitcoin Core isn't handling them properly.

Have you tried a "reindex" or "rescan"? Huh

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