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[simongros]

Removed due to off-topic advice.

In conclusion, outsourcing development/design work and expecting a 'script' for $300 to do magic is entirely illogical.

Some sources:

http://www.christophedelsol.com/10-epic-fails-when-outsourcing-to-india/
https://boss.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/03/04/what-i-learned-the-hard-way-about-outsourcing/

In future it seems its best to lock threads to avoid off-topic posters seeking to increase their post count.

[eckmar]

By looking at few of those screenshots and reading description, I can say great job! It sounds like you really did put some effort into this. What you might consider is posting public demo. Servers only cost 5$ a month and you might want actual users to test it out and report potential bugs/issues.
On the other hand, 2 years is a lot of time, and I'm sure you value your work but don't expect crazy prices. I'm not sure that drawing up a contract and paying for lawyer would be an option (considering sale price). You really did a good job here, but so did other people before you. I saw localbitcoins clone and the one with multiple coins sold here for 300$, so you won't really profit much. Hope I didn't crush your expectations, I'm sure you will sell it, but keep the price realistic and also take into consideration that experienced developer would not need more than 20-30 days to make this so also base your price around that.

[simongros]

By looking at few of those screenshots and reading description, I can say great job! It sounds like you really did put some effort into this. What you might consider is posting public demo. Servers only cost 5$ a month and you might want actual users to test it out and report potential bugs/issues.
On the other hand, 2 years is a lot of time, and I'm sure you value your work but don't expect crazy prices. I'm not sure that drawing up a contract and paying for lawyer would be an option (considering sale price). You really did a good job here, but so did other people before you. I saw localbitcoins clone and the one with multiple coins sold here for 300$, so you won't really profit much. Hope I didn't crush your expectations, I'm sure you will sell it, but keep the price realistic and also take into consideration that experienced developer would not need more than 20-30 days to make this so also base your price around that.

Hi, thanks for your input.

Unfortunately i'd have to strongly disagree on some parts, a script going for $300 is likely going to be made up of 20 lines of code which can be done in a few hours. Building something similar to Localbitcoins/Paxful would take at a minimum 6 months full time with a proper dev team. You can see more information from the perspective of an actual team member from Paxful here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/39ug0q/how_much_will_it_cost_to_build_a_website_like/

[eckmar]

By looking at few of those screenshots and reading description, I can say great job! It sounds like you really did put some effort into this. What you might consider is posting public demo. Servers only cost 5$ a month and you might want actual users to test it out and report potential bugs/issues.
On the other hand, 2 years is a lot of time, and I'm sure you value your work but don't expect crazy prices. I'm not sure that drawing up a contract and paying for lawyer would be an option (considering sale price). You really did a good job here, but so did other people before you. I saw localbitcoins clone and the one with multiple coins sold here for 300$, so you won't really profit much. Hope I didn't crush your expectations, I'm sure you will sell it, but keep the price realistic and also take into consideration that experienced developer would not need more than 20-30 days to make this so also base your price around that.

Hi, thanks for your input.

Unfortunately i'd have to strongly disagree on some parts, a script going for $300 is likely going to be made up of 20 lines of code which can be done in a few hours. Building something similar to Localbitcoins/Paxful would take at a minimum 6 months full time with a proper dev team. You can see more information from the perspective of an actual team member from Paxful here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/39ug0q/how_much_will_it_cost_to_build_a_website_like/

What those guys are talking about is mostly background management of funds and spending weeks testing security. It may take that amount of time if you are writing it in something like Go or Java but PHP and Laravel...
I personally worked with Laravel for years, and honestly its very good for rapid development as you have everything already there, authentication, email sending, real-time communication and much more all built in. So you only have to worry about business logic. And there is no developer that can convince me that it takes more than 30 days to build ad posting, messaging and reviews website. Also what you read on Reddit is developers from who knows where and the actually site is more complicated. Its like me asking "how much does it cost to build facebook". I can spend years developing it, making it look the same but I can never clone the background processes that handle all the stuff there. You are only getting a premium if you work by signing a contract with some company, other than that you are working for freelance rate which is not 20000$ a month (Indians...)
I'm taking from personal experience and from what I got during the years of development of bitcoin related software here on forum. If you are looking for more than 2000$ for this, I think its better to target different audience, websites like flippa etc.

[simongros]

By looking at few of those screenshots and reading description, I can say great job! It sounds like you really did put some effort into this. What you might consider is posting public demo. Servers only cost 5$ a month and you might want actual users to test it out and report potential bugs/issues.
On the other hand, 2 years is a lot of time, and I'm sure you value your work but don't expect crazy prices. I'm not sure that drawing up a contract and paying for lawyer would be an option (considering sale price). You really did a good job here, but so did other people before you. I saw localbitcoins clone and the one with multiple coins sold here for 300$, so you won't really profit much. Hope I didn't crush your expectations, I'm sure you will sell it, but keep the price realistic and also take into consideration that experienced developer would not need more than 20-30 days to make this so also base your price around that.

Hi, thanks for your input.

Unfortunately i'd have to strongly disagree on some parts, a script going for $300 is likely going to be made up of 20 lines of code which can be done in a few hours. Building something similar to Localbitcoins/Paxful would take at a minimum 6 months full time with a proper dev team. You can see more information from the perspective of an actual team member from Paxful here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/39ug0q/how_much_will_it_cost_to_build_a_website_like/

What those guys are talking about is mostly background management of funds and spending weeks testing security. It may take that amount of time if you are writing it in something like Go or Java but PHP and Laravel...
I personally worked with Laravel for years, and honestly its very good for rapid development as you have everything already there, authentication, email sending, real-time communication and much more all built in. So you only have to worry about business logic. And there is no developer that can convince me that it takes more than 30 days to build ad posting, messaging and reviews website. Also what you read on Reddit is developers from who knows where and the actually site is more complicated. Its like me asking "how much does it cost to build facebook". I can spend years developing it, making it look the same but I can never clone the background processes that handle all the stuff there. You are only getting a premium if you work by signing a contract with some company, other than that you are working for freelance rate which is not 20000$ a month (Indians...)
I'm taking from personal experience and from what I got during the years of development of bitcoin related software here on forum. If you are looking for more than 2000$ for this, I think its better to target different audience, websites like flippa etc.

Sorry, your knowledge seems very limited and to think that a $300 - $2000 script is all thats needed to build this is very very poor judgement. $300 - $2000 is a budget for a local barber shop website. Where would Go and Java fit into this type of platform? that makes absolutely no sense. I came seeking for advice not post count torture or to discuss pricing especially when it is so far from correct. I kindly ask that perhaps you do a little more research and refrain from continuing on this thread of mine. I sent you a link showing a Paxful mod suggesting that it would cost $100k to build something similar to Paxful. Your argument (which i did not come to seek from my post and again i kindly ask you refrain from continuing on this thread) that they are talking 'mostly background management of funds and spending weeks testing security' is nonsense as that does not cost anywhere near $100k. That quote was mainly regarding development. Initial funds needed to launch this platform would cost roughly $10k infrastructure and that would increase as the number of visitors increase. You suggested Indian developers, are you Indian by the way? As i know this industry is seen completely different on that side of the world. I appreciate your input but i kindly ask that you stop here as my post is not regarding outsourcing development work for cheap and I’m very disappointed that you’ve decided to ruin my post discussing your views on the development/design industry in India. I'm disappointed that a 'legendary member' would comment this nonsense but i guess that posting nonsense can increase your account status so it makes sense. Yes, you can hire an 'Indian' developer to produce a Localbitcoins/Paxful platform for $300 - $2000 but all you'll get in return is a days worth of php on a script that will be useless and i'm certain that the majority here reading are aware of this. You get what you pay for and this is one of the reasons Upwork causes a lot of upset clients.


Totally off-topic but I guess this is what happens when you put yourself out there.

[eckmar]

By looking at few of those screenshots and reading description, I can say great job! It sounds like you really did put some effort into this. What you might consider is posting public demo. Servers only cost 5$ a month and you might want actual users to test it out and report potential bugs/issues.
On the other hand, 2 years is a lot of time, and I'm sure you value your work but don't expect crazy prices. I'm not sure that drawing up a contract and paying for lawyer would be an option (considering sale price). You really did a good job here, but so did other people before you. I saw localbitcoins clone and the one with multiple coins sold here for 300$, so you won't really profit much. Hope I didn't crush your expectations, I'm sure you will sell it, but keep the price realistic and also take into consideration that experienced developer would not need more than 20-30 days to make this so also base your price around that.

Hi, thanks for your input.

Unfortunately i'd have to strongly disagree on some parts, a script going for $300 is likely going to be made up of 20 lines of code which can be done in a few hours. Building something similar to Localbitcoins/Paxful would take at a minimum 6 months full time with a proper dev team. You can see more information from the perspective of an actual team member from Paxful here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/39ug0q/how_much_will_it_cost_to_build_a_website_like/

What those guys are talking about is mostly background management of funds and spending weeks testing security. It may take that amount of time if you are writing it in something like Go or Java but PHP and Laravel...
I personally worked with Laravel for years, and honestly its very good for rapid development as you have everything already there, authentication, email sending, real-time communication and much more all built in. So you only have to worry about business logic. And there is no developer that can convince me that it takes more than 30 days to build ad posting, messaging and reviews website. Also what you read on Reddit is developers from who knows where and the actually site is more complicated. Its like me asking "how much does it cost to build facebook". I can spend years developing it, making it look the same but I can never clone the background processes that handle all the stuff there. You are only getting a premium if you work by signing a contract with some company, other than that you are working for freelance rate which is not 20000$ a month (Indians...)
I'm taking from personal experience and from what I got during the years of development of bitcoin related software here on forum. If you are looking for more than 2000$ for this, I think its better to target different audience, websites like flippa etc.

Sorry, your knowledge seems very limited and to think that a $300 - $2000 script is all thats needed to build this is very very poor judgement. $300 - $2000 is a budget for a local barber shop website. Where would Go and Java fit into this type of platform? that makes absolutely no sense. I came seeking for advice not post count torture or to discuss pricing especially when it is so far from correct. I kindly ask that perhaps you do a little more research and refrain from continuing on this thread of mine. I sent you a link showing a Paxful mod suggesting that it would cost $100k to build something similar to Paxful. Your argument (which i did not come to seek from my post and again i kindly ask you refrain from continuing on this thread) that they are talking 'mostly background management of funds and spending weeks testing security' is nonsense as that does not cost anywhere near $100k. That quote was mainly regarding development. Initial funds needed to launch this platform would cost roughly $10k infrastructure and that would increase as the number of visitors increase. You suggested Indian developers, are you Indian by the way? As i know this industry is seen completely different on that side of the world. I appreciate your input but i kindly ask that you stop here as my post is not regarding outsourcing development work for cheap and I’m very disappointed that you’ve decided to ruin my post discussing your views on the development/design industry in India. I'm disappointed that a 'legendary member' would comment this nonsense but i guess that posting nonsense can increase your account status so it makes sense. Yes, you can hire an 'Indian' developer to produce a Localbitcoins/Paxful platform for $300 - $2000 but all you'll get in return is a days worth of php on a script that will be useless and i'm certain that the majority here reading are aware of this. You get what you pay for and this is one of the reasons Upwork causes a lot of upset clients.


Totally off-topic but I guess this is what happens when you put yourself out there.

I never suggested that you (or anyone else) hire Indians, I just said that you have to look at average freelancer price per hour which is affected by them, in case you misunderstood what I wanted to say (Or you have trouble understanding English, don't want to discriminate). And what I meant by saying background stuff:

I'm not mentioning anything about proper enterprise software plus secure website development - unit tests, replication, disaster recovery, build automation, backups, validations, protection against all kinds of website attacks and so on.

^^ That is what cost money. That is whats expensive. And you don't have any of that but expect similar pricing ? That is also what takes 6-8 months of development (a bit exaggerated maybe...). Team was hired to do everything from start to finish and that includes my quote here (from their reddit post). They used enterprise software (Laravel is not really...) and built all that stuff to manage the security of the app and servers too. Honestly everyone can write a business logic. When I was in college I could've written business logic like paxful. I guess you value your work too much, I didn't want to offend you or argue with you, just wanted to share my experience, my bad that you can't take it, but please be realistic.

Software engineers tend to overvalue their work publicly (like on reddit) which keeps the price of development up and that is the reality. Hope you will cope with it sometime soon.

This is not a sales thread, this is project development board where project development is discussed (Imagine that...). If you want to sell your script make a thread HERE and I won't discuss the development.

[simongros]

By looking at few of those screenshots and reading description, I can say great job! It sounds like you really did put some effort into this. What you might consider is posting public demo. Servers only cost 5$ a month and you might want actual users to test it out and report potential bugs/issues.
On the other hand, 2 years is a lot of time, and I'm sure you value your work but don't expect crazy prices. I'm not sure that drawing up a contract and paying for lawyer would be an option (considering sale price). You really did a good job here, but so did other people before you. I saw localbitcoins clone and the one with multiple coins sold here for 300$, so you won't really profit much. Hope I didn't crush your expectations, I'm sure you will sell it, but keep the price realistic and also take into consideration that experienced developer would not need more than 20-30 days to make this so also base your price around that.

Hi, thanks for your input.

Unfortunately i'd have to strongly disagree on some parts, a script going for $300 is likely going to be made up of 20 lines of code which can be done in a few hours. Building something similar to Localbitcoins/Paxful would take at a minimum 6 months full time with a proper dev team. You can see more information from the perspective of an actual team member from Paxful here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/39ug0q/how_much_will_it_cost_to_build_a_website_like/

What those guys are talking about is mostly background management of funds and spending weeks testing security. It may take that amount of time if you are writing it in something like Go or Java but PHP and Laravel...
I personally worked with Laravel for years, and honestly its very good for rapid development as you have everything already there, authentication, email sending, real-time communication and much more all built in. So you only have to worry about business logic. And there is no developer that can convince me that it takes more than 30 days to build ad posting, messaging and reviews website. Also what you read on Reddit is developers from who knows where and the actually site is more complicated. Its like me asking "how much does it cost to build facebook". I can spend years developing it, making it look the same but I can never clone the background processes that handle all the stuff there. You are only getting a premium if you work by signing a contract with some company, other than that you are working for freelance rate which is not 20000$ a month (Indians...)
I'm taking from personal experience and from what I got during the years of development of bitcoin related software here on forum. If you are looking for more than 2000$ for this, I think its better to target different audience, websites like flippa etc.

Sorry, your knowledge seems very limited and to think that a $300 - $2000 script is all thats needed to build this is very very poor judgement. $300 - $2000 is a budget for a local barber shop website. Where would Go and Java fit into this type of platform? that makes absolutely no sense. I came seeking for advice not post count torture or to discuss pricing especially when it is so far from correct. I kindly ask that perhaps you do a little more research and refrain from continuing on this thread of mine. I sent you a link showing a Paxful mod suggesting that it would cost $100k to build something similar to Paxful. Your argument (which i did not come to seek from my post and again i kindly ask you refrain from continuing on this thread) that they are talking 'mostly background management of funds and spending weeks testing security' is nonsense as that does not cost anywhere near $100k. That quote was mainly regarding development. Initial funds needed to launch this platform would cost roughly $10k infrastructure and that would increase as the number of visitors increase. You suggested Indian developers, are you Indian by the way? As i know this industry is seen completely different on that side of the world. I appreciate your input but i kindly ask that you stop here as my post is not regarding outsourcing development work for cheap and I’m very disappointed that you’ve decided to ruin my post discussing your views on the development/design industry in India. I'm disappointed that a 'legendary member' would comment this nonsense but i guess that posting nonsense can increase your account status so it makes sense. Yes, you can hire an 'Indian' developer to produce a Localbitcoins/Paxful platform for $300 - $2000 but all you'll get in return is a days worth of php on a script that will be useless and i'm certain that the majority here reading are aware of this. You get what you pay for and this is one of the reasons Upwork causes a lot of upset clients.


Totally off-topic but I guess this is what happens when you put yourself out there.

I never suggested that you (or anyone else) hire Indians, I just said that you have to look at average freelancer price per hour which is affected by them, in case you misunderstood what I wanted to say (Or you have trouble understanding English, don't want to discriminate). And what I meant by saying background stuff:

I'm not mentioning anything about proper enterprise software plus secure website development - unit tests, replication, disaster recovery, build automation, backups, validations, protection against all kinds of website attacks and so on.

^^ That is what cost money. That is whats expensive. And you don't have any of that but expect similar pricing ? That is also what takes 6-8 months of development (a bit exaggerated maybe...). Team was hired to do everything from start to finish and that includes my quote here (from their reddit post). They used enterprise software (Laravel is not really...) and built all that stuff to manage the security of the app and servers too. Honestly everyone can write a business logic. When I was in college I could've written business logic like paxful. I guess you value your work too much, I didn't want to offend you or argue with you, just wanted to share my experience, my bad that you can't take it, but please be realistic.

Software engineers tend to overvalue their work publicly (like on reddit) which keeps the price of development up and that is the reality. Hope you will cope with it sometime soon.

This is not a sales thread, this is project development board where project development is discussed (Imagine that...). If you want to sell your script make a thread HERE and I won't discuss the development.

I'm from London. But your grammar is not too great.

Again, thats wrong. To suggest that you can build a complex platform like Paxful/Localbitcoins with a $300 - $2000 script is laughable. Your account status as a 'legendary' is no indication of your knowledge as a developer but as your consistency in posting on this forum. Hiring a sys admin would cover all those scenarios and again would not be expensive until the platform gains popularity.

Thats it, thank you for destroying this post. I hope you find a different way to make you happy in the future. This became totally off-topic and i am not debating with a 'developer' who suggests a $300 script will build you a platform like Localbitcoins/Paxful.