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July 29, 2019, 01:46:01 AM
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Of course very poor argument that bitcoin is the key of money laundering. They want to make bitcoin like a reason of terrorism, money laundering and all kind of illegal things, they act like bitcoins is the reason of everything bad and banks are gifts given from heaven while in reality there are some very known facts how Deutche bank and others laundered billions but they close their eyes on it. And there are even more money laundering facts via banks that we don't know.

As you say, money laundering and all kinds of illegal things all depend on the users. Whatever I think it can be used as a tool for money laundering. Bitcoin, FIAT, Gold, Stock, everything can.


Yeah but it is easy to move it and  keep it without a name attached to it.

1000 oz of gold is  difficult to get from country a to country b

1.4 million in btc can get moved  way easier.
But 1.4 million is also very easy to track with the public ledger that is free for everyone to see. What is really the best option here is, 1.4 million via a privacy coin (XMR, etc). Gold and stocks are possible, but very difficult to pull off correctly and you'd just be shooting yourself in the foot.

It is fair to say that the darknet is ruled by cash and the abundance of privacy coins available.

Another point is when they need to sell (with the KYC that comes with) yep, and I don't think these guys are living with bitcoins, nor a card, and nor they're interested in. They want banknotes...

See yourself, in Europe, why are they removing the 500€ bill? Because it was used only by criminals. Here, in the capital, you could even resell it 520€ to a Chinese shop. Dude, I would never have owned a 500€ bill in my life Cry

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Wow, this is a great post. I heard some stories about the 500 EURO banknote, but I never knew it was that in demand. I do think that in all countries, the biggest banknote is always rare to obtain.

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July 29, 2019, 09:46:05 AM
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As you say, money laundering and all kinds of illegal things all depend on the users. Whatever I think it can be used as a tool for money laundering. Bitcoin, FIAT, Gold, Stock, everything can.

Anything can be used for laundering, even third-party investments. But do not take btc as the first in this field
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July 29, 2019, 10:10:21 AM
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But 1.4 million is also very easy to track with the public ledger that is free for everyone to see. What is really the best option here is, 1.4 million via a privacy coin (XMR, etc). Gold and stocks are possible, but very difficult to pull off correctly and you'd just be shooting yourself in the foot.

It is fair to say that the darknet is ruled by cash and the abundance of privacy coins available.

i don't think even the privacy coins such as Monero are being used in the dark market that much. if they were used in the darknet with some small popularity then their prices should have been a lot higher than it currently is.
i think only the first part of your last sentence is correct, the darknet is still ruled by cash.

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July 29, 2019, 10:14:17 AM
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Something is quite interesting to others thus they give false and negative feedback but the reality behind, they support it and look for a way to use this technology. In the future bitcoin will be generally accepted as a common medium of exchange.
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July 30, 2019, 07:16:02 PM
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I have come to realized that many of those that are most like to launder money such as government of official and politician will most probably not consider using crypto because they believe it is very risk. I ones engage one rich man in a talk about investing in crypto. He didn't know bitcoin but immediately I start explaining to him that its online base asset, he lost interest and think its a scam. Most of them still believe the best way to launder money is to carry fiat and bribe their way to where they want to go and hide the money
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July 30, 2019, 07:25:27 PM
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Realistically Bitcoin is also much smaller than most, if not all government-backed currencies, therefore it's not really a fair comparison.

I think a better comparison is looking at the fraction of total money supply turnover that can be attributed to illicit activities, not sure if Bitcoin would fare any better in this case.

With that said, Monero (XMR) and other privacy coins must be far worse.
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July 30, 2019, 07:27:50 PM
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yes its a shame ho many people using bitcoin.
In my nearly friend zone only 1 has a bitcoin walled but he is not using it much.


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July 30, 2019, 08:59:30 PM
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It's very obvious! Bitcoin came into existance just 10 years back and money laundering is happening since ages. So if some leader is resisting bitcoin citing this laundering reason, there has to be some hidden agenda kept out of our eyes!

I would not be surprised if Banking lobby is feeding the politician's pockets and international media houses to spread such misinformation about money laundering with bitcoin!

However, we can't deny the fact that it is easier to launder money using cryptos compared to fiat. So pros and cons, both are associated with cryptos!

Aside from that, there are more users of fiat currency, that alone explains why Bitcoin is used less than fiduciary currencies.  If ever Bitcoin surpassed fiat in terms of users then I bet Bitcoin will be used in this illegal stuff more than fiat.  So basically looking at the statistics of  users, the result of money laundering cases will not be surprising.

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August 01, 2019, 05:06:12 PM
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How do we know/track fiduciary currencies to the scale we can Bitcoin? Granted we haven't been able to do so until recently with the proper technology as blockchain forensics companies like Ciphertrace or Elliptic provide
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