Is there anyway to use Ledger Nano S without updating?

[CoinMLS]

A quick update. I was finally able to convince my friend to give me her device so I can do everything myself and try different things first hand.

I was able to get the ETH off with an old MyCrypto.

Then I was able to get the BCH off using the old Ledger App so we're all good! But I have one more issue...

This will show any forked coins that the device still holds. That is to say, any BCH that is sitting on BTC derivation paths (m/44'/0'/0'...). If you use "Split" it uses BCH derivation path (m/44'/145'/0'...) which will only show non forked coins.

HCP, or anyone,
This wallet held BCH during the last fork. It was originally send to the ledger wallet on 12-20-2017.

Today I sent the BCH to her Coinbase account, so I believe that was BCH ABC.

Shouldn't there be some BCH SV available somehow? I tried following these instructions but I'm not sure I'm doing it correctly. (https://support.ledger.com/hc/en-us/articles/360012270054-Bitcoin-SV-BSV-) The instructions also say to get the latest Bitcoin Cash App which I am reluctant to do since I don't have the 24 word phrase.

When I open the wallet using Electrum I can see the BCH (ABC) that I withdrew earlier tonight, not the BCH SV which I would still expect to be there.

[Lucius]

When I open the wallet using Electrum I can see the BCH (ABC) that I withdrew earlier tonight, not the BCH SV which I would still expect to be there.

You can not claim BSV with Electrum (BTC) or ElectronCash(BCH), you need a proper wallet for that coin. To do that you need to import seed ( which you do not have) or private keys of BCH address from Ledger BCH wallet in Electrum BSV.

I think you can not see private keys in Electrum (private keys from Ledger), and there is no other way to claim BSV that to follow the instruction on the link you posted. For that, you need BCH app and ElectrumSV, and now when you move ETH&BCH from Ledger, this wallet should be empty?

[HCP]

Lucius is correct... you'd need to update to the latest BCH app and use ElectrumSV... but for that, you'd need to update the firmware... which puts you all the way back to the original issues that you have with the potential to wipe the device with no seed

Given the current price of SV (~US$100), unless they have 10's or 100's of BTC, it isn't a significant loss... So, your friend might be best off just accepting the loss, moving what they can and then resetting the device and starting from scratch.

[CoinMLS]

OK thanks. Yes, we're happy just to have the ETH and BCH. Would have been nice to get the SV too, it's at least $1000 worth but I get that it's impossible without the keys. Thanks for the help!

[DireWolfM14]

OK thanks. Yes, we're happy just to have the ETH and BCH. Would have been nice to get the SV too, it's at least $1000 worth but I get that it's impossible without the keys. Thanks for the help!

Before giving up on the BSV, you may want to try to update the firmware.  There's still the chance that the device will not reset itself and function with the old seed still activated.  Now that you've extracted the ETH and the BCH the risk has been mitigated drastically, and you're only out the BSV if it fails.  Just a thought.

[CoinMLS]

OK thanks. Yes, we're happy just to have the ETH and BCH. Would have been nice to get the SV too, it's at least $1000 worth but I get that it's impossible without the keys. Thanks for the help!

Before giving up on the BSV, you may want to try to update the firmware.  There's still the chance that the device will not reset itself and function with the old seed still activated.  Now that you've extracted the ETH and the BCH the risk has been mitigated drastically, and you're only out the BSV if it fails.  Just a thought.

OK, I was going to wait and see if there are any more replies.

Is it the definite consensus that there are NO OPTIONS to get the SV without updating firmware? Because yes, the Ledger is empty, so no risk at this point.

[Lucius]

Is it the definite consensus that there are NO OPTIONS to get the SV without updating firmware? Because yes, the Ledger is empty, so no risk at this point.

You can wait for more answers to your question, but I think there is no other way to go claim BSV from hardware wallet without seed and without BSV app+ElectrumSV as described in the procedure on the Ledger page.

There is a risk, but also a pretty good chance that the Nano S won't reset during firmware update. It just takes patience and some time since you have very old firmware, but it can be done successfully.

Even with the latest firmware 1.5.5 every user of Nano S may experience a reset during regular use, there is some bug that should be resolved in the next firmware (hopefully by the end of this year).

[jerry0]

Okay this is scary.  The last update i did was the 1.5.5 version many months ago.  I didn't use my nano ledger s for a few months till recently and notice my screen was very dim compared to previously.  Had this nano ledger s for 2 years already.  I saw that just when i stopped using it, firmware 1.6 came out and i did not know about if since i didn't touch my nano s for a few months.


But now i read lot of ppl had their nano ledger s reset with the 1.5.5 firmware?  That is scary.  So it just happened suddenly?  I connected my nano ledger s to my laptop last few times... still see the dimmed screen which i wonder if there was any issue with it.


But how many ppl here had their nano ledger s suddenly reset.  I dont have my 24 word phrase with me at the moment so im not sure if i want to firmware update it now.