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December 16, 2019, 10:23:26 PM
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Venezuelans including public sector workers, retirees and the military are set to receive a petro token handout this Christmas, so long as they register for the state's crypto payments platform.

https://www.coindesk.com/venezuelas-maduro-says-he-will-airdrop-half-a-petro-each-to-nations-civilians
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December 17, 2019, 08:18:30 AM
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It's nonsense, Maduro is aware that Petro has no value at all. He's just giving a coin that has no actual value but at least for him it has.

Imagine how much $30 airdrop is valuable to their country and a coin that will airdrop half of its supply? what's on the mind of this president?

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December 17, 2019, 08:35:09 AM
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what's on the mind of this president?
desperation  and impossibility ,that is what Maduros mind having now.though i can feel that he only want Venezuela economy to grow back again yet his actions is far from what he is wanted things to be.
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December 17, 2019, 09:52:26 AM
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what's on the mind of this president?
desperation  and impossibility ,that is what Maduros mind having now.though i can feel that he only want Venezuela economy to grow back again yet his actions is far from what he is wanted things to be.
I don't think that he wants to see Venezuela's economy grow again. I'm not from that country but with the news that I'm seeing, people there are struggling the hyperinflation and only the gov't can do something with that.

Using petro won't help them to survive and get out of that hyperinflation but if that's really one reason he does, he should think of some other things.

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December 17, 2019, 01:12:45 PM
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what's on the mind of this president?
desperation  and impossibility ,that is what Maduros mind having now.though i can feel that he only want Venezuela economy to grow back again yet his actions is far from what he is wanted things to be.
I don't think that he wants to see Venezuela's economy grow again. I'm not from that country but with the news that I'm seeing, people there are struggling the hyperinflation and only the gov't can do something with that.

Using petro won't help them to survive and get out of that hyperinflation but if that's really one reason he does, he should think of some other things.
yeah mate,its easy for us to comment everything because we are not from that country,media can release everything they wanted as we have already experienced those being here in crypto.
Maduro being president i am sure he has a good intention doing such action because welfare of venezuela is what the priority is.
because if we will rely on news i think it will be one sided and imbalance.

anyway i respect your views on matter mate as i know that we are here to give our opinions that we think is right and better.hope Venezuela will survive in their darkest days now.
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December 17, 2019, 06:28:13 PM
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Undoubtedly this is the dirtiest way to launder money, because analyzing the situation I have the assurance that this is the easiest way, covering your misdeeds with the authority that gives a currency without any value like petro
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December 17, 2019, 07:15:58 PM
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Petro dump incoming!
He does that as a help to the citizens but i don't think that this is going to happen, due to the fact that everyone is going to sell it and buy food or dollars. We know the story with the airdrops.
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December 19, 2019, 01:31:24 AM
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It's nonsense, Maduro is aware that Petro has no value at all. He's just giving a coin that has no actual value but at least for him it has.

Imagine how much $30 airdrop is valuable to their country and a coin that will airdrop half of its supply? what's on the mind of this president?

He is the one that caused the hyperinflation, what did you expect? When the budget didn't fit (because the oil prices went down) he ordered printing rather than revise the budget and reduce expenses. Because a socialist cannot go back on a social program, ever... Of course it spiraled out of control, as many people warned him but he didn't care or called them agents of imperialism, and publicly its the perfect excuse to keep blaming the USA of everything.

He didn't even offer a whole full petro. Did you know i stopped being a public employee when my wage became about 8 USD per month about two years ago? The daily commute was becoming more expensive than just quitting, forget having lunch (it was literally pay to work).

In the past 3 years there have been mass quits in all State companies and the public administration, due to the misery it pays. And no, in socialist Venezuela you can't form an union, because that means YOU are the counter revolutionary... Anyone DARING suggest the wages are misery, is obviously an US puppet that belongs to the opposition...

Nowdays i think the wages are like 2 USD. 10 years ago, same job would pay about 250 USD per month...

Of course the "international left" supports Maduro, because he defends the workers like no one can, being himself a former union member in a State owned transport company, oh the irony is endless.

If you think you had it bad under capitalism, wait until the socialists get in charge...

Oh, if i told you about the one and a half petro they owe me but never gave. I can personally confirm a State token scam. How do you sue your own country, especially when the executive assigns the judges and write the laws? The only thing worse than fiat currency, is a State backed crypto.

Of course like any other self respected token scam, it HAS to airdrop. Good for everyone, that will now have something that has even less value. I bet next will come universal income in petro, probably about half of it per month, because, there is an infinite supply of them!...

I'll just leave this here, just in case someone is interested: What Venezuela Needs for a Prosperous Future.

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December 19, 2019, 05:09:03 AM
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Venezuelans including public sector workers, retirees and the military are set to receive a petro token handout this Christmas, so long as they register for the state's crypto payments platform.
Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro announced Friday that those groups would be airdropped 0.5 petro (said to be worth $30) as a holiday bonus this week,
according to local news source El Universal.

0.5 petro($30) in total? I am not sure this is correct.


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the president also said more than 500,000 petros would be paid out from the state’s own supply to support town and local governments across the country.


 Oil price is about $60 per barrel, petro should probably be $60 per coin. (Petro coin price = Oil price.)
500,000 petrocoin is about 15Million dollar.

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It nice the petro is called fiat currency and not cryptocurrency.

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December 19, 2019, 05:26:38 AM
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Petro dump incoming!
He does that as a help to the citizens but i don't think that this is going to happen, due to the fact that everyone is going to sell it and buy food or dollars. We know the story with the airdrops.

The coin is meant to be "stable" as far as I can tell. It's basically backed by oil, so it probably moves along with the price of crude oil or something.
The most important in my opinion is for the coin to be run as typical cryptocurrency otherwise it can't be valued much internationally.

It has to be transparently ran. It has to be immutable, censorship resistant and permissionless.
If it end up working within the country it could work outside as well. The government just needs to avoid running the coin itself. It should be ran by the people especially by the creative and innovative ones in the country.


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December 19, 2019, 10:02:31 AM
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It's nonsense, Maduro is aware that Petro has no value at all. He's just giving a coin that has no actual value but at least for him it has.

Imagine how much $30 airdrop is valuable to their country and a coin that will airdrop half of its supply? what's on the mind of this president?
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This is actually feeling bad and saddening for me. I feel sorry for the people that chose to live there because they don't have elsewhere to stay. He didn't care for his people but just cared for himself more than anybody.

I can't imagine that situation and for a month of wage, what can you buy with that? a snack? after working hard and due to hyperinflation.

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December 19, 2019, 05:20:57 PM
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What is the reason for this hyperinflation anyway? Is it the socialism?
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December 19, 2019, 09:37:38 PM
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Petro dump incoming!
He does that as a help to the citizens but i don't think that this is going to happen, due to the fact that everyone is going to sell it and buy food or dollars. We know the story with the airdrops.

The coin is meant to be "stable" as far as I can tell. It's basically backed by oil, so it probably moves along with the price of crude oil or something.
The most important in my opinion is for the coin to be run as typical cryptocurrency otherwise it can't be valued much internationally.

It has to be transparently ran. It has to be immutable, censorship resistant and permissionless.
If it end up working within the country it could work outside as well. The government just needs to avoid running the coin itself. It should be ran by the people especially by the creative and innovative ones in the country.

Transparency: It is know by rumor and superficial analysis, that they copied Dash code and made unknown changes. While they are required by Venezuelan law, they did not release the source code with the changes. In case you didn't notice, the judicial and legislative branches here are a bad joke. And they have publicly stated everything else is like a child to the executive, who is "father" (this is not a joke, they did proclaim that).

Immutable: The coin has suffered at least 3 complete remakes. Not only are they able to change rules on the fly, they have already dumped the project entirely and started from scratch. In fact they contradict themselves, they claim something, and later its completely different. Without the code it is unknown, but very likely they can undo transactions and generate as many coins as they want.

Censorship: They did not release wallets. There is only a single online wallet, in a server stored in the country. Of course if you live in another country, blocking access to this single server is trivial. Also, they did not release the software for running nodes, what few nodes they have, according to rumor running in a single data center, should be trivial to block as well.

Permisionless: The equivalent of KYC is an absolute requirement. If you do what they say, you will get a single online wallet absolutely tied to the ID you gave. I think you also get a single address too. Of course if you lose the ability to login there, you lose your money. They do have the power to ban you or restrict you at anytime without notice, and you have no choice but to try and complain in person at their institution in Caracas, where you will enjoy a bureaucratic experience, to say the least...

If you want to learn what makes a crypto fail, look no further, petro it is.

When you own a petro, you do not own an oil barrel. You get a "promise" from the Venezuelan government that its backed with it. There is no way to audit that, they might as well promise you moon rocks, because you are never going to see any oil barrels. Not unlike the Tulips...

"Crypto" backed in "anything" lies in a promise made by the individuals or organization that promotes it. Be it "stable" coins, "fiat" or any other assets. Its pure words and no substance. In fact its worse, because some people "believe" in this lie. At least with Bitcoin, you get the truth upfront, no surprises.

And yes this is the same people that made the world's currently worst hyperinflation. They went for crypto because they discovered they could do worse with virtual currency than pesky printing fiat money. At least they don't need to spend money to print banknotes anymore...

Even if they gave 100 petros to everyone, it wouldn't make a difference. But they try to keep appearances, as that has always been their game: the facade for the outside, the facade for the inside. Just don't ask what lies in between those.

The 30$ would be the theoretical value. The petro is exchanged at an official rate, that oscillates inside some bands. Their official page currently says 1 petro is VES: 2863728.64 which is probably close to what you get if you use their official exchange, that means currently half a petro is around 29$. But when you exchange person to person, the value is much lower, or if a merchant is willing to accept it. US dollars are trusted far more than petros in Venezuela. You read that right, that's the sad truth.

And now that Maduro is dumping, the price will likely go even lower outside the official channels, which are restricted and encumbered as usual; if you know how a monetary exchange restricted by bands works, it means they can halt transactions for the day, and in the dirty variation the State itself buys/sells like a whale to influence the market (burning reserves). I don't know what they do in case of petro, but they have full centralized control of both their fiat and their own crypto and this cannot be good.

The "common" folk doesn't know "petros" nor wants them (because they can't use them), so they will be sold even cheaper. Some will buy them and resell them again a bit higher, rinse and repeat. Something like that occurs in Localbitcoins, as there is a path of exchange petros into bitcoin and ves which gets exploited endlessly by those with the capital to do so.

No matter where you look it stinks. The system gives you the sickness and sells you the medicine, that only half works so you get to buy it again and again while you can only get sicker and sicker.

This is how the purchasing power of workers in Venezuela went from 250 USD a month to 2 in the span of less than 10 years, and how those responsible for the crime continue the destruction of what little is left of the economy. And the worst thing is that there is no light at the end of the tunnel, its pitch dark...

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