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March 09, 2014, 04:40:49 PM
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That makes sense, what about Regulation A?

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March 09, 2014, 04:53:17 PM
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That makes sense, what about Regulation A?

Regulation A is tough because you are then subject to every state's Blue Sky regulations, some of which would preclude advertising on websites, like your initial post does.  In addition, the SEC has to approve most kinds of written or scripted oral advertising in advance.  It's an option, but the myriad of state laws would make it difficult to do using crypto-currency on the internet. 
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March 09, 2014, 04:55:33 PM
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Ok what about D lol I am looking at the online form right now and it does not seem to bad.

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March 09, 2014, 05:16:46 PM
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Ok what about D lol I am looking at the online form right now and it does not seem to bad.

Reg D has a ton of moving parts, so I can't say with certainty any one offering, including even yours, would or would not qualify, but as a general rule, Reg D offerings are non-transferable except to accredited investors or upon registration of the securities.  So unaccredited investors would be stuck with whatever you sold them unless they could find someone wealthy to buy them, or they could register them (which is expensive).  In addition, there are limits on general solicitation (such as posting on public internet forums) that would make it difficult. 

Like I said, these rules are draconian, and make it nearly impossible for anyone but the super-rich to invest in new and interesting start-ups. Reg A may be changing significantly soon, that was also a part of the JOBS Act, and I'm very hopeful for the proposed Regulation Crowdfunding.  There may be a way to structure these transactions to meet an explicit exemption (it's almost impossible for mere structuring to get you out of the definition of a security though), but all of the exemptions require at least some notification to the SEC, and they would take very specific tailoring that would require a lot of time (and thus a lot of money) from an attorney. 

I'm glad to see you're at least trying though, that assuages my main concern for you with people that claim to be compliant.  People who say they're compliant and aren't are often frauds.  I have this worry with Havelock, because even in the face of clear evidence that they are not compliant, they just keep saying "yes we are" without even trying to make an argument.  You seem like you just honestly want to be compliant, the fact that you aren't is more the fault of the web of incomprehensible regulation, so I'll leave you alone.  In your offering docs, you said you have an attorney, if I found the right guy, he looks like he's just a general practitioner.  If he's interested in discussing this more with me, send me a message and I'll give you my e-mail, I'm trying to get a group of attorneys together to discuss all these issues and try to create a good framework to present to the SEC.
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March 09, 2014, 05:34:55 PM
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Well yea he is a real estate attorney he is really good at handling tricky real estate transactions like double closings and so such.
But I think I am actually going to consult a SEC attorney about this, and pursue a regulation D classification.

The rule about public postings changed in NOV you are allowed to publicly advertise you security as long as it meets 1 of 3 reqs. "Thanks job act"

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March 11, 2014, 01:26:22 PM
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Updated to go into pre release sales

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March 11, 2014, 08:40:14 PM
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Looking this property http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/220-Blue-Creek-School-Rd_Jacksonville_NC_28540_M56212-07248?row=6
Selling for 14k
Repairs 45k
Total Investment 59k
After repaired     85k
Profit of 30k

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This is a great cash flow property
Duplex
38k
10k repairs
450 x 2 = 900


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March 19, 2014, 01:22:02 AM
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Asking 30k
Rehab 35k
Total  65K
ARV   99k
Profit 35k

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March 19, 2014, 01:23:37 AM
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After checking out crypto stocks and  coming to find out you only need a website and a email with you@yourwebsite.com I decided not to list there. I contacted Havelock and sent all the paper they requested over to them. So we should be listed there hopefully soon.

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March 19, 2014, 12:38:44 PM
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Hy, curios about your business. How much are you going to raise?
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March 19, 2014, 01:18:56 PM
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150BTC  With no share dilution EVER.

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March 21, 2014, 05:00:06 PM
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Got a lead on a great property this morning, If we can not raise funds to flip it I am just going to wholesale it.

House is a
3/2
1050 Sqft
Built in 1971
Cement foundation
Roof looks less then 5 years old.
Windows look less then 10 years old.

House needs updating in general,
Kitchen-
Counters and cabinets
Flooring
Fridge/oven/dishwasher
Bathrooms- x2
Vanity
Showers/Tubs

Inside general
Paint
Doorknobs
Hinges
Light switch panels
Electric plug panels
Carpet/Flooring

Purchase price 30k
Repair Cost 26K Contractor has already gave a estimate
Sales price 87,999 This was the BPO broker price opinion as of 3/19/2014
Profit after cost of sales
26,000

Similar house across the street just sold for 97K in under 2 months.








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March 21, 2014, 06:16:43 PM
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REIT would have to be registered with the SEC, so that is a no go. If you get any sort of pooled funds in a real estate transaction it must be registered as a security with the SEC.
There are a couple of exceptions
1) The entire loan must come from 1 person with out the pooling of funds
2) The company must be formed as a LLC as a tenants in common aka members manage LLC

The wording has to be in such a way to not trigger a SEC registration. Most real estate terms are written in such a way it seams to be hand waving.
This is the address to a property, I understand it, most people will not its not fancy hand waving its legal description written to locate a property.
SHAMROCK VIL BE L12   
SR 1903
08-030
SHAMROCK VILLAGE INC

The capital structure has not been 100% decided yet due to us not having nailed down a home.
I do not think 18 pages of business plan would be acceptable here?


Why not just go all the way through with this idea and register it with the SEC? Why is registering with the SEC such a horrible thought?

I don't think there is any way for you, as an American, to collect investments from people and not trigger SEC registration of one kind or another.

Have you thought about listing on MPEx? If you got your affairs in order, you might be able to raise more there than by using cryptostocks or Havelock?

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March 21, 2014, 06:22:52 PM
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Think we are merging with another company, stay tuned for more info. It is some exciting stuff!

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March 27, 2014, 04:42:10 PM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=215230.400;topicseen

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