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Author Topic: My experience about APY% and lending/ earning on CEFI vs DEFI  (Read 145 times)
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December 03, 2020, 06:15:15 AM
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DEFI proved to cover many scam projects since anybody can launch it. It is still new but it will settle probably in 6 months from now, and it will be like in small coins masternode world, less than 5% of those DEFI projects will survive to be profitable, but they cannot sustain to offer high APY% rates since there is no institutional liquidity backup like in CEFI.

In CEFI it is all currently defined, celsius is best, nexo is worst (at this point)

Name: Celsius Network
Website: celsius.network
Jurisdiction: UK/USA
Trust: 9/10
Earn APY% rates: 9/10
Loan rates: 9/10
Assets under management: 3.3 billion USD
Members: 240000
Coins supported for earning interest: 36
ATM card: NO
Have own coin: YES

Name: BlockFI
Website: blockfi.com
Jurisdiction: USA
Trust: 8/10
Earn APY% rates: 6/10
Loan rates: 7/10
Assets under management: Unknown
Members: Unknown
Coins supported for earning interest: 8
ATM card: Just announced for 2021
Have own coin: NO

Name: Apyharvest
Website: apyharvest.com
Jurisdiction: UK
Trust: 8/10
Earn APY% rates: 9/10
Loan rates: 9/10
Assets under management: 1.3 billion USDC
Members: 40000
Coins supported for earning interest: 47
ATM card: NO
Have own coin: NO

Name: Crypto com
Website: crypto.com
Jurisdiction: Malta
Trust: 7/10
Earn APY% rates: 5/10
Loan rates: 4/10
Assets under management: Unknown
Members: 5 million
Coins supported for earning interest: 34
ATM card: YES - working
Have own coin: YES

Name: Nexo
Website: nexo.io
Jurisdiction: Bulgaria
Trust: 5/10
Earn APY% rates: 8/10
Loan rates: 6/10
Assets under management: Unknown
Members: 1 million
Coins supported for earning interest: 17
ATM card: Promised August 2019, never delivered
Have own coin: YES


I would NEVER put all my assets to CEFI, since in that case i lose all my coins if CEFI platform fails. But i trust them more than DEFI since currently most of DEFI projects are gamble. Those which are defined good, like AAVE , offer very low interest rates. At time i write this, Interest APY% on USDT is 4.38% at AAVE, 10.51-13.86% at Celsius and 11.79-14.17% at Apyharvest. On ETH is much worse - AAVE APY% on ETH is 0.11%, at Celsius is 5.5-7.21% and at Apyharvest 6.25-7.82.

My current portfolio is 50% staking in CEFI, 50% i keep at cold storage ( and o still buy crypto on be-weekly basis)

From I stake ETH at Celsius, and Bitcoin, USDC and SNX at Apyharvest. I have also Crypto com atm card, and it is pretty usable, only thing i hate is that CRO coin is losing value, so i overpaid my initial card deposit when i started long ago.

I started at crypto com on July 2019, on Celsius on December 2019 and on Apyharvest on April 2020.

Hope you find my inputs informative.
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December 06, 2020, 06:48:09 PM
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I agree mostly with comparison, only thing is that i do not like celsius way of just talking bad about competition, while they had 2 days no access and almost lost domain last month.
I earn on my crypto with blockfi.com and apyharvest.com . I feel safe there.
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December 06, 2020, 09:35:33 PM
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These platforms are good if you're really into staking and you know which is good and bad. But, I wouldn't let my funds go into it for a longer time and I'll choose coins that I can stake through its own native wallet or a wallet that's trustworthy. Just like putting it alone in a Ledger Nano wallet such as Tezos and Algorand. By the way, thanks for the information you've shared. Especially in nexo, I was searching about inputs about it.

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December 08, 2020, 06:58:07 AM
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Appreciate the fact that you created a comparison of these lending pools but honestly speaking, they are shady as anything.

The reason I say this, is because I have deeply probed some of the companies about the loan originators and they are often not clearing up this question. Many times I suspect these loans to be self-made/non-existant from where you are getting money at the moment but very soon going to end up like another ponzi scheme.

P2P lending is one thing but as soon a business comes in between them the legitimacy of the platform becomes grey. If you are the lender and you are directly lending to borrowers, then I would feel much more comfortable.

Now there are pros and cons to both. If you think they are good, then go for them - put your money there and good luck making some back.

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December 08, 2020, 12:30:06 PM
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Appreciate the fact that you created a comparison of these lending pools but honestly speaking, they are shady as anything.

The reason I say this, is because I have deeply probed some of the companies about the loan originators and they are often not clearing up this question. Many times I suspect these loans to be self-made/non-existant from where you are getting money at the moment but very soon going to end up like another ponzi scheme.

P2P lending is one thing but as soon a business comes in between them the legitimacy of the platform becomes grey. If you are the lender and you are directly lending to borrowers, then I would feel much more comfortable.

Now there are pros and cons to both. If you think they are good, then go for them - put your money there and good luck making some back.


I agree with you 100%. But than again, everything is shady, especially fiat banks - we all know what will happen if more than half population go at same day to cancel their savings and interest accounts in banks - that money is non existent anymore, just print print print, without cover.

I was burned to much with mgox back in days, then return to crypto when eth was 8$ and btc 700% in November 2016. Made profit like most of us byt end of 2017. Then burned some on scam icos and some small masternodes during 2018 and 2019. Learned many lessons so its same like comes and goes... I am not whining - on contrary- I adore crypto and I am grateful for all profit that i currently enjoy from it.

As I stated in post, I started at crypto com on July 2019, on Celsius on December 2019 and on Apyharvest on April 2020. I did not try blockfi, they had at time some security issue (compromised some user accounts). Few weeks ago, there was "incident" at celsius - when they almost lost domain, and nobody, me included, could not access wallet and it was all looking like they were hacked - not cool at all. When it was solved - we all learned that big celsius which holds 3.3 BILLION USD in assets have dns servers in godaddy personal account - which is IMO definition of unprofessional. Even I give them 8 not 9 on trust, security wise, i like most apyharvest approach - platform less - where there is no platform - nothing can be hacked. And their rates and personal bankers which reply fast and really dedicated. I do not like that they do not publish team and that they are not present in social platforms - but i respect that - again security wise. If something happen to Mashinsky - celsius is done. And really there is no need to be so much personally involved as key person. Nobody herd about Romeo Lacher, and i bet 99.99% of users here did not hear about Julius Baer (except those who live in Switzerland. Well, he is chairman of big Swiss bank, which hold assets larger than total crypto market cap...it is not point to show off, it is point to provide good work. IMO
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December 09, 2020, 01:01:09 PM
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Before defi apy on farming is totally a hit. Like literally it's booming but from what I've witnessed after a few months.  That hype is gone. Some still are able to give some decent apy and roi but the weakness I see is when the tvl is increasing some of the users experience drop on their roi. It's like the system is rigged after an extension period.

I didn't tried out yet any cefi but I like the comparison you shared OP very helpful to understand those platform use cases and difference.

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December 09, 2020, 03:31:16 PM
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These platforms are good if you're really into staking and you know which is good and bad. But, I wouldn't let my funds go into it for a longer time and I'll choose coins that I can stake through its own native wallet or a wallet that's trustworthy. Just like putting it alone in a Ledger Nano wallet such as Tezos and Algorand. By the way, thanks for the information you've shared. Especially in nexo, I was searching about inputs about it.
I didn't use any platform yet that's why i am watching all this review's. Looking like after this post I'll sure use any of the platform. By the way what do you think is the most trusted site for staking?
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December 10, 2020, 04:10:07 PM
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I didn't use any platform yet that's why i am watching all this review's. Looking like after this post I'll sure use any of the platform. By the way what do you think is the most trusted site for staking?

IMHO you can trust all of them except maybe Nexo - they are shady. I had bad experience with celsius, they support reply in 72h , and that is ages in crypto. But they are legit. I lost on crypto.com because I was greedy and stupid to chose to earn in their own currency, MCO, which lost value so much that all my interest rewards were lost - learn hard way double lesson there - NEVER lock your coins at any platform - if you cannot withdraw in 24h you can lose alot. And never get rewards in platform currencies - only in kind or in stable coins (if they offer that option). Blockfi.com is very nice, their platform sometimes throttle but works. Pity they offer just 8 coins. I am big fan of apyharvest.com way of work - they do all with personal crypto bankers, on email, and reply and process requests always in less than 12h (in my case 4h average). Rates are perfect, referral rewards too and I trust them 100%.
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