Bitcoin Forum
July 08, 2024, 07:29:45 AM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 27.0 [Torrent]
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register More  
Pages: [1]
  Print  
Author Topic: No coin is stable all is just a deceit  (Read 113 times)
Oshosondy (OP)
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1498
Merit: 1148


Gamble responsibly


View Profile
January 16, 2021, 08:19:36 PM
 #1

Bitcoin has been the most successful cryptocurrency ever existing, its price is not stable, it can devalue and valuate again, but all noticed that after all fluctuations the price will still increase, people that invested in it in the past and hold for long gained. That is bitcoin for us, it is not stable but its price will increase. But because of the price fluctuations of unstable coins, the issue was thought to be solved by stable coins like USDT, USDC, TUSD, BUST and others that are existing. But is the value of these stable coins truly stable?

The price of the stable coins are approximately equivalent with USD or like the EURS that have approximately equivalent price with Euro. If these cryptocurrencies are like this, why are they called stable coins? This has only being the world meaning but not the actual fact but another meaning entirely because the coins that mimic fiat csn not be considered stable coins.

If the price of US dollar falls, also the price of the coins that mimic US dollar are also falling, but some people may no know this, nothing is called stable coin, it is a lie, it can be good if such true stable coin is created but non is existing at present time.

With what I have known about stable coins, no coin is yet stable while bitcoin which is deflationary is the best among all.

██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
... LIVECASINO.io    Play Live Games with up to 20% cashback!...██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
NeuroticFish
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3724
Merit: 6456


Looking for campaign manager? Contact icopress!


View Profile
January 16, 2021, 08:40:20 PM
 #2

But is the value of these stable coins truly stable?

How stable the stable coin is depends on the issuer and if you buy the stable coin you'll have to trust the issuer that will keep the value as close as possible to the "value" they claim to have it pegged to.
Especially USDT has a history of problems, of long periods of time the value was not even close to USD and the well known shady behavior on how much (if at all) of the huge amount of USDT is actually backed with real money (as it should).

So, it's all about the issuer and how honest the issuer is. After all, even the US dollar or the Euro are not stable over time...

█████████████████████████
████▐██▄█████████████████
████▐██████▄▄▄███████████
████▐████▄█████▄▄████████
████▐█████▀▀▀▀▀███▄██████
████▐███▀████████████████
████▐█████████▄█████▌████
████▐██▌█████▀██████▌████
████▐██████████▀████▌████
█████▀███▄█████▄███▀█████
███████▀█████████▀███████
██████████▀███▀██████████
█████████████████████████
.
BC.GAME
▄▄░░░▄▀▀▄████████
▄▄▄
██████████████
█████░░▄▄▄▄████████
▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄██▄██████▄▄▄▄████
▄███▄█▄▄██████████▄████▄████
███████████████████████████▀███
▀████▄██▄██▄░░░░▄████████████
▀▀▀█████▄▄▄███████████▀██
███████████████████▀██
███████████████████▄██
▄███████████████████▄██
█████████████████████▀██
██████████████████████▄
.
..CASINO....SPORTS....RACING..
Oshosondy (OP)
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1498
Merit: 1148


Gamble responsibly


View Profile
January 16, 2021, 08:52:38 PM
 #3

After all, even the US dollar or the Euro are not stable over time...
Exactly the point, if likely the fiat are devalued tomorrow, also stable coins will automatically devalue. How about the world have real stable coin that even if fiat devalue, it will remain stable and increase in price because of the devalued fiat which is used to compare its price. I do not think such coin has ever existed, it will be my favorites after bitcoin for trading instead of the fiat pegged stable cryptocurrencies.

██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
... LIVECASINO.io    Play Live Games with up to 20% cashback!...██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
NeuroticFish
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3724
Merit: 6456


Looking for campaign manager? Contact icopress!


View Profile
January 16, 2021, 09:07:43 PM
 #4

How about the world have real stable coin that even if fiat devalue, it will remain stable

Even the "entities" telling how much this or that fiat has lost in value this or that year may not always be correct (i.e. they come with later corrections) and possibly not always in sync.
Also afaik they usually don't come with this kind of numbers in real time (!). Of course, I am not much into this subject and may be very wrong...

However, I don't know if somebody would care to implement such a coin, especially as governments have no interest in such endeavors. All they care is that 1 USD = 1 USD, 1 EUR = 1 EUR and so on...
And if such a coin would be created, ... you'll have, again to trust the issuer  Grin

█████████████████████████
████▐██▄█████████████████
████▐██████▄▄▄███████████
████▐████▄█████▄▄████████
████▐█████▀▀▀▀▀███▄██████
████▐███▀████████████████
████▐█████████▄█████▌████
████▐██▌█████▀██████▌████
████▐██████████▀████▌████
█████▀███▄█████▄███▀█████
███████▀█████████▀███████
██████████▀███▀██████████
█████████████████████████
.
BC.GAME
▄▄░░░▄▀▀▄████████
▄▄▄
██████████████
█████░░▄▄▄▄████████
▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄██▄██████▄▄▄▄████
▄███▄█▄▄██████████▄████▄████
███████████████████████████▀███
▀████▄██▄██▄░░░░▄████████████
▀▀▀█████▄▄▄███████████▀██
███████████████████▀██
███████████████████▄██
▄███████████████████▄██
█████████████████████▀██
██████████████████████▄
.
..CASINO....SPORTS....RACING..
Porfirii
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1834
Merit: 2206


The Alliance Of Bitcointalk Translators - ENG>SPA


View Profile
January 16, 2021, 09:14:51 PM
Last edit: January 16, 2021, 09:41:31 PM by Porfirii
 #5

But because of the price fluctuations of unstable coins, the issue was thought to be solved by stable coins like USDT, USDC, TUSD, BUST and others that are existing. But is the value of these stable coins truly stable?

You have stated yourself in your opening post. I have always thought that the name was quite self-descriptive, but I suppose that almost everything is open to interpretation.

Stable doesn't mean here that it will have a parity with all fiat currencies, as they fluctuate between them (obvious), nor that it assures you the same buying power in time. It means that they are not designed to undergo the crypto's common big fluctuations, as long as there is no black swan event.


██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
... LIVECASINO.io    Play Live Games with up to 20% cashback!...██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
Oshosondy (OP)
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1498
Merit: 1148


Gamble responsibly


View Profile
January 16, 2021, 09:33:45 PM
 #6

It means that they are not designed to undergo the crypto's common big fluctuations, as long as there is no black swan event.
How about calling them fiat-pegged coins, they are just not stable, they are controlled by fiat prices no matter what. I see your reason to be correct, they are different from unstable coins but they are rather also not stable coins.

██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
... LIVECASINO.io    Play Live Games with up to 20% cashback!...██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
Porfirii
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1834
Merit: 2206


The Alliance Of Bitcointalk Translators - ENG>SPA


View Profile
January 16, 2021, 09:40:12 PM
 #7

How about calling them fiat-pegged coins, they are just not stable, they are controlled by fiat prices no matter what. I see your reason to be correct, they are different from unstable coins but they are rather also not stable coins.

Yes, I agree that fiat-pegged coin is an even more accurate name for them. As far as I know, they are known this way too. But I suppose that the term "stablecoin" has more punch in order to make it more fluid to say, so the press, crypto-influencers and, eventually, almost everyone have adopted it.

Not the best term ever if we want to philosophize about the meaning, but still quite self-explanatory to me. Anyway, thanks for pointing this out, it is always healthy to maintain some degree of critical thinking about these newly crafted words.

██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
... LIVECASINO.io    Play Live Games with up to 20% cashback!...██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
RabbiTANK
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 224
Merit: 18

Sovryn - Brings DeFi to Bitcoin


View Profile
January 17, 2021, 07:49:44 AM
 #8

Bitcoin has been the most successful cryptocurrency ever existing, its price is not stable, it can devalue and valuate again, but all noticed that after all fluctuations the price will still increase, people that invested in it in the past and hold for long gained. That is bitcoin for us, it is not stable but its price will increase. But because of the price fluctuations of unstable coins, the issue was thought to be solved by stable coins like USDT, USDC, TUSD, BUST and others that are existing. But is the value of these stable coins truly stable?

The price of the stable coins are approximately equivalent with USD or like the EURS that have approximately equivalent price with Euro. If these cryptocurrencies are like this, why are they called stable coins? This has only being the world meaning but not the actual fact but another meaning entirely because the coins that mimic fiat csn not be considered stable coins.

If the price of US dollar falls, also the price of the coins that mimic US dollar are also falling, but some people may no know this, nothing is called stable coin, it is a lie, it can be good if such true stable coin is created but non is existing at present time.

With what I have known about stable coins, no coin is yet stable while bitcoin which is deflationary is the best among all.
Volatility isn't an issue, bitcoin and other coins are built to work this way also the existence of stable coins isn't to fix issue of Bitcoin and others, it seems you don't understand much about crypto, if you believe that stablecoins are here to fix bitcoin price loss issue then invest in stable coins and let see what you made out of it

Claudio99
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 210
Merit: 10

Sovryn - Brings DeFi to Bitcoin


View Profile
January 17, 2021, 08:07:53 AM
 #9

Bitcoin has been the most successful cryptocurrency ever existing, its price is not stable, it can devalue and valuate again, but all noticed that after all fluctuations the price will still increase, people that invested in it in the past and hold for long gained. That is bitcoin for us, it is not stable but its price will increase. But because of the price fluctuations of unstable coins, the issue was thought to be solved by stable coins like USDT, USDC, TUSD, BUST and others that are existing. But is the value of these stable coins truly stable?

The price of the stable coins are approximately equivalent with USD or like the EURS that have approximately equivalent price with Euro. If these cryptocurrencies are like this, why are they called stable coins? This has only being the world meaning but not the actual fact but another meaning entirely because the coins that mimic fiat csn not be considered stable coins.

If the price of US dollar falls, also the price of the coins that mimic US dollar are also falling, but some people may no know this, nothing is called stable coin, it is a lie, it can be good if such true stable coin is created but non is existing at present time.

With what I have known about stable coins, no coin is yet stable while bitcoin which is deflationary is the best among all.
I want you to know a certain fact, if Bitcoin, Ethereum and other are stable coins you won't be here today, simply because you won't have a reason to be here, who would invest in non volatile coins and expect profits? The fact that Bitcoin rises and falls is what makes the most sense out of it

Smartvirus
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1484
Merit: 1136


View Profile
January 17, 2021, 09:29:34 AM
 #10

A coin's stability is mainly based on the issue who has an equivalent reserve of the coin they hold. That's simply why the coin is considered stable as despite the fluctuation that occurs about other coins in the market, the value for which your stable coin is about is relatively the same. I use the world relatively because, it's not always same at some point, it might experience a slight change over long periods but it's often not enough to cause a significant change in the value of what is held. Hence, It becomes a stronghold in times of retracement or a down trend in the cryptosphere.
Apostlekin$$$
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 238
Merit: 17

Sovryn - Brings DeFi to Bitcoin


View Profile
January 17, 2021, 09:57:23 AM
 #11

Bitcoin has been the most successful cryptocurrency ever existing, its price is not stable, it can devalue and valuate again, but all noticed that after all fluctuations the price will still increase, people that invested in it in the past and hold for long gained. That is bitcoin for us, it is not stable but its price will increase. But because of the price fluctuations of unstable coins, the issue was thought to be solved by stable coins like USDT, USDC, TUSD, BUST and others that are existing. But is the value of these stable coins truly stable?

The price of the stable coins are approximately equivalent with USD or like the EURS that have approximately equivalent price with Euro. If these cryptocurrencies are like this, why are they called stable coins? This has only being the world meaning but not the actual fact but another meaning entirely because the coins that mimic fiat csn not be considered stable coins.

If the price of US dollar falls, also the price of the coins that mimic US dollar are also falling, but some people may no know this, nothing is called stable coin, it is a lie, it can be good if such true stable coin is created but non is existing at present time.

With what I have known about stable coins, no coin is yet stable while bitcoin which is deflationary is the best among all.
You shouldn't compare the rise and fall of FIat and stablecoins with the rise and fall of crypto projects like Bitcoin, the lowest I've seen USDT goes was 0.98$ and since it's pegged to USD it does makes sense, sometimes USD loses value too but just bit of it, they are not highly volatility like Bitcoin and other coins

Mighty_crypt
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 784
Merit: 21


View Profile
January 17, 2021, 04:39:15 PM
 #12

After all, even the US dollar or the Euro are not stable over time...
Exactly the point, if likely the fiat are devalued tomorrow, also stable coins will automatically devalue. How about the world have real stable coin that even if fiat devalue, it will remain stable and increase in price because of the devalued fiat which is used to compare its price. I do not think such coin has ever existed, it will be my favorites after bitcoin for trading instead of the fiat pegged stable cryptocurrencies.
Is there anyway to differentiate stable coins from Bitcoin and other unstable coins? Of cos not, USDT, USDC and others are pegged to USD FIAT, there is no other way to categories these coins that to call them stable coins, in 2017 I hold 7000$ worth of USDT and I got my 7000$ USDT when I needed it in 2018, it works just like keeping FIAT, let's stop arguing on this pls

▬▬▬▬▬▬▌   Vulcan Forged    ▐▬▬▬▬▬▬
▬▬▬▬▬▬▌    Telegram   ▌    Discord      ▌     Twitter      ▐▬▬▬▬▬▬
▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬   DISCOVER   ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬
tranthidung
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2324
Merit: 4112


Farewell o_e_l_e_o


View Profile WWW
January 17, 2021, 04:39:52 PM
 #13

How about calling them fiat-pegged coins, they are just not stable, they are controlled by fiat prices no matter what.
Stability here should be explained in 2 sides:
  • Fiat: Theoretically, one stable coin (USDT, ie) is pegged by 1 USD should have a value of 1 USD. But over time, even 1 USDT has a value of 1 USD, the value of 1 USD will fall. This way, you are saying about unstability of fiat, not stable coins.
  • Stable coin (itself): its price can be changed on the market (from trading activities) or from their companies. If there is drama on how they cheat and mint their stable coins from the air, without enough pegged USD/ fiat, stable coin price will be collapsed on the market.
  • Only talk about crypto market

▄▄███████▄▄
▄██████████████▄
▄██████████████████▄
▄████▀▀▀▀███▀▀▀▀█████▄
▄█████████████▄█▀████▄
███████████▄███████████
██████████▄█▀███████████
██████████▀████████████
▀█████▄█▀█████████████▀
▀████▄▄▄▄███▄▄▄▄████▀
▀██████████████████▀
▀███████████████▀
▀▀███████▀▀
.
 MΞTAWIN  THE FIRST WEB3 CASINO   
.
.. PLAY NOW ..
Pages: [1]
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!