[Solved]Paradice.in fraud accusation

[pippipipipi]

In my oppinion playing daily faucets without ever making a deposit is a clear case of faucet abuse  ( I'm not associated in any way with paradice)  and I suppose it's up to the casino if they'd like to pay out the amount or not , but in general faucets and other freebies for sites are used to motivate regular depositing players  , and not freebie hunters.

To give an example ,  I'm a player on duckdice ,  and they've paid out a 100000$  faucet win to a regular player  and in the same time denying  some 50-100 $ withdrawals to some   faucet hunters who were there to only milk the freebies.

The faucet of Paradice.in is special, and even if there is one Satoshi in the BTC balance, the faucet cannot be used.
Of course, even if you have a balance of 1 Satoshi, you cannot use the faucets of other currencies such as ETH and DOGE.
When you make a deposit, you cannot actually use the faucet.
If you use Faucet, you must either not deposit or zero all your balances.
In that case, I think it's okay to eliminate the faucet itself.
It seems that there was a problem with the faucet in the past, but I just reduced the number I got.

[semobo]

In my oppinion playing daily faucets without ever making a deposit is a clear case of faucet abuse  ( I'm not associated in any way with paradice)  and I suppose it's up to the casino if they'd like to pay out the amount or not , but in general faucets and other freebies for sites are used to motivate regular depositing players  , and not freebie hunters.

To give an example ,  I'm a player on duckdice ,  and they've paid out a 100000$  faucet win to a regular player  and in the same time denying  some 50-100 $ withdrawals to some   faucet hunters who were there to only milk the freebies.

Probably they should mention in their terms if they are going to deny such withdrawals, and OP here used to bet with the faucet money and got huge luck on his side that is why he made $7000 from zero which is not really abuse and even no site can deny such withdrawals or should never allow anyone to claim the faucets and bonus who never deposited any money into their account.

[Jawhead999]

The purpose of casino adding faucet on their casino is to test the game on his casino to prove legitimate fairness of the websites, but I don't see why they need to use top coin that has a value instead of worthless coin. They should aware if someone can hit high multiplier, even though the chance is only 2% it doesn't mean it will be impossible to hit. Also, this kind of "faucet abuse" is not a new thing on casino, we were already this kind problem in the past and it result become a drama.

Of course playing with faucet or free money on gambling is not risking anything, casino isn't a charity and they make money when people are loss. He's didn't risking any money to play, but he put a lot dedication and time to hit the high multiplier. He's lucky enough to win $7000 only with faucet. But in the end, you will faced this problem if you win big amount money with faucet.

AFAIK on this websites didn't even stated a rules of faucet abuse and withdrawal limit if the user play with faucet, after this accusations this casino updated his terms.

Although we didn't have specific rules on withdrawal from bonuses at that point, we see your disproportional withdrawal of $7000 without any deposit as faucet abuse.

In case of winning without a deposit (only on account of Paradice bonuses), the maximum payout of the casino is no more than $50, and can be reduced by the website administration

Any attempts of faucet abuse will be subject to an evaluation by the support team.

Updating Terms of Service and confiscated big winning funds from a player isn't show how good your responsibility to solve the case instead of setting up new rules and blaming the player. In my opinion you need to pay fully amount that the player has won since he didn't do anything wrong with multi account, cheating bonus with alt account etc. Or probably you don't have sufficient bankroll to pay?

Tagged the account, if anything goes wrong I may revise my feedback.

[Cratoon]

Any attempts of faucet abuse will be subject to an evaluation by the support team.

Updating Terms of Service and confiscated big winning funds from a player isn't show how good your responsibility to solve the case instead of setting up new rules and blaming the player. In my opinion you need to pay fully amount that the player has won since he didn't do anything wrong with multi account, cheating bonus with alt account etc. Or probably you don't have sufficient bankroll to pay?

Tagged the account, if anything goes wrong I may revise my feedback.

We see your negative feedback on our account, however

1. We did not change this line on our website, it was there since several months ago.
2. In your feedback you don't mention faucet abuse and that the player have been playing bonus funds, not the ones he deposited.

3. We see your feedback as preconceived, as you are a manager of another crypto gambling website.
Dog eat dog kind of space here, innit?

[pippipipipi]

Any attempts of faucet abuse will be subject to an evaluation by the support team.

Updating Terms of Service and confiscated big winning funds from a player isn't show how good your responsibility to solve the case instead of setting up new rules and blaming the player. In my opinion you need to pay fully amount that the player has won since he didn't do anything wrong with multi account, cheating bonus with alt account etc. Or probably you don't have sufficient bankroll to pay?

Tagged the account, if anything goes wrong I may revise my feedback.

We see your negative feedback on our account, however

1. We did not change this line on our website, it was there since several months ago.
2. In your feedback you don't mention faucet abuse and that the player have been playing bonus funds, not the ones he deposited.

3. We see your feedback as preconceived, as you are a manager of another crypto gambling website.
Dog eat dog kind of space here, innit?

The feedback left by Jawhead999 doesn't mention the faucet, but your website doesn't say that you shouldn't play the bonus fund or that you're violating it if you don't make a deposit.
And on your website,
It also says, "Faucet is a kind of regular bonus that you can receive multiple times a day."
Is there any contradiction because I admit that I can receive it many times every day?
He will not reply if it becomes inconvenient.
Paradise.in, which has such a person, offers only the worst service.

[Jawhead999]

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We see your negative feedback on our account, however
1. We did not change this line on our website, it was there since several months ago.
2. In your feedback you don't mention faucet abuse and that the player have been playing bonus funds, not the ones he deposited.

3. We see your feedback as preconceived, as you are a manager of another crypto gambling website.
Dog eat dog kind of space here, innit?

1 & 2. Definition of faucet abuse is too general, each people has it own definition to explain about faucet abuse. As you didn't stated specific rules on the faucet abuse part, some of your marketing strategies and TOS implied "able to take profit/win from bonus (faucet and rain)".

"To start playing, make a deposit or add a free bonus to fill your balance."

3. Wrong, I'm not a manager of that's casino. Dog eat dog? So I should keep close my eyes and walk away when I saw someone doings wrong?

[Cratoon]

Oh! Let's take a break for a sec and take a look at the Cambridge Dictionary! According to the Book, Fraud means the crime of getting money by deceiving people. And Scam is an illegal way of making money, usually by tricking people.

Did we made even a single penny by deceiving this player? Sure we didn't.

It's good question: who is the victim here?

Once again. There was a faucet abuse. Casino management decided to reject this payment in conformity with our TOS. This is the final decision, and it is not a subject to change.

[pippipipipi]

Oh! Let's take a break for a sec and take a look at the Cambridge Dictionary! According to the Book, Fraud means the crime of getting money by deceiving people. And Scam is an illegal way of making money, usually by tricking people.

Did we made even a single penny by deceiving this player? Sure we didn't.

It's good question: who is the victim here?

Once again. There was a faucet abuse. Casino management decided to reject this payment in conformity with our TOS. This is the final decision, and it is not a subject to change.

If I had deposited at least one penny, would I have pulled it out?
To deceive is to lie and make you think it is true.
And you tricked me into hiding your $ 7,000 balance in your wallet, right?

Good answer: I am.

once again.
It does not correspond to the unauthorized use of the faucet you say.

[Stalker22]

Once again. There was a faucet abuse. Casino management decided to reject this payment in conformity with our TOS. This is the final decision, and it is not a subject to change.

I would still like to hear what kind of abuse is that actually about?
Did he break any company's terms of use? Which ones?
Did he use a bot or multiple accounts? Was there a bug or a glitch on the website?

I'm sure a lot of the potential players would like to know that so they don't end up in the same situation.

[Jawhead999]

Once again. There was a faucet abuse. Casino management decided to reject this payment in conformity with our TOS. This is the final decision, and it is not a subject to change.

Read above my post including few user quotes, it's clear stated you're allowing people to gamble with bonus and no rules about withdrawing bonuses winning.

You're just want to hide your fault with "I reserve the right to add/change the rules any time and any condition"

Flag type 3 has been created, I suggest to support it https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2675

[pippipipipi]

You can see that they aren't willing to pay because they change the terms as they like, even though I haven't broken the terms on their website!
You probably don't have a license because you do this kind of thing, right? lol