freebitco.in an actual scam

[blackmtl308]

No, Freebitcoin is not a scam, it is totally legitimate.

I have lost money with the dice, but also a few days ago, I got 5 jackpots in a row of 100k sat.
Whether I win or lose, it's my problem.

This site has been around for many years, and they don't need to fool anyone to be one of the best today.

[grahamlyons]

I'm done arguing with this guy, it's a waste of time, i've already stated my points. Experience told me it's so hard to win in a dice game and in theory they do know your client seed if you don't change it every bet. If people want to play on this site, it's none of my business, just want to give those guys piece of advice and do think how many people are actually winning.

Where can we see the server seed hash before rolling high or low?  I’ve looked all over and can’t find it.  All I can find is the aftermath once a bet has been placed.  If this is true that you provide the server seed hash before the rolls then that’s all I need to see and would agree you’re fair.

just click on the words PROVABLY FAIR and you can see the next server seed hash and you can change the client seed if you want to

guys, you are losing (in the long run) because this site has a fairly big house edge of 5%. you are pretty much certain to lose over a large number of rolls
so they have no reason to try to cheat the provably fair/seeds side of things. they are honest and have a good reputation for a reason
its gambling  

[Goldmansnacks]

I'm done arguing with this guy, it's a waste of time, i've already stated my points. Experience told me it's so hard to win in a dice game and in theory they do know your client seed if you don't change it every bet. If people want to play on this site, it's none of my business, just want to give those guys piece of advice and do think how many people are actually winning.

Where can we see the server seed hash before rolling high or low?  I’ve looked all over and can’t find it.  All I can find is the aftermath once a bet has been placed.  If this is true that you provide the server seed hash before the rolls then that’s all I need to see and would agree you’re fair.

just click on the words PROVABLY FAIR and you can see the next server seed hash and you can change the client seed if you want to

guys, you are losing (in the long run) because this site has a fairly big house edge of 5%. you are pretty much certain to lose over a large number of rolls
so they have no reason to try to cheat the provably fair/seeds side of things. they are honest and have a good reputation for a reason
its gambling  

This isn't the server seed hash we're talking about.  The server seed hash for the free rolls is different from the server seed for the hi/lo game.  And the very issue we're discussing is the fact that the server seed changes with each roll of the hi/lo game.

https://imgur.com/a/D95t0Av

This isn't about winning or losing.  I'm fine with losing if the game is fair, but the fact that the server seed changes with each roll is problematic as I explained in my post.

Good reputation or not, most people aren't technical adept enough to understand the underlying workings of the game mechanics.  The switching of the server seed on each roll without providing a server seed hash prior to each roll (of hi/lo) is suspect and problematic.

[grahamlyons]

I'm done arguing with this guy, it's a waste of time, i've already stated my points. Experience told me it's so hard to win in a dice game and in theory they do know your client seed if you don't change it every bet. If people want to play on this site, it's none of my business, just want to give those guys piece of advice and do think how many people are actually winning.

Where can we see the server seed hash before rolling high or low?  I’ve looked all over and can’t find it.  All I can find is the aftermath once a bet has been placed.  If this is true that you provide the server seed hash before the rolls then that’s all I need to see and would agree you’re fair.

just click on the words PROVABLY FAIR and you can see the next server seed hash and you can change the client seed if you want to

guys, you are losing (in the long run) because this site has a fairly big house edge of 5%. you are pretty much certain to lose over a large number of rolls
so they have no reason to try to cheat the provably fair/seeds side of things. they are honest and have a good reputation for a reason
its gambling  

This isn't the server seed hash we're talking about.  The server seed hash for the free rolls is different from the server seed for the hi/lo game.  And the very issue we're discussing is the fact that the server seed changes with each roll of the hi/lo game.



This isn't about winning or losing.  I'm fine with losing if the game is fair, but the fact that the server seed changes with each roll is problematic as I explained in my post.

Good reputation or not, most people aren't technical adept enough to understand the underlying workings of the game mechanics.  The switching of the server seed on each roll without providing a server seed hash prior to each roll (of hi/lo) is suspect and problematic.

the server seed hash can be seen for both "free rolls" and "multiplier" by clicking on the words PROVABLY FAIR on each screen. i dont see the problem here 

also, of course the server seed hash has to change every time (and therefore the server seed hash also changes). if it remained static then the user would already know the server seed (from the previous rolls) and would be able to calculate a client seed to use to cheat the system

[TheQuin]

This isn't the server seed hash we're talking about.  The server seed hash for the free rolls is different from the server seed for the hi/lo game.  And the very issue we're discussing is the fact that the server seed changes with each roll of the hi/lo game.

Wrong. The mechanics of both free rolls and multiply BTC are identical.

This isn't about winning or losing.  I'm fine with losing if the game is fair, but the fact that the server seed changes with each roll is problematic as I explained in my post.

It's only problematic to you because you don't know what you are talking about.

Good reputation or not, most people aren't technical adept enough to understand the underlying workings of the game mechanics.  The switching of the server seed on each roll without providing a server seed hash prior to each roll (of hi/lo) is suspect and problematic.

It would be problematic if it was true but we do provide the server seed hash before each roll which makes your entire argument complete nonsense.

[Goldmansnacks]

This isn't the server seed hash we're talking about.  The server seed hash for the free rolls is different from the server seed for the hi/lo game.  And the very issue we're discussing is the fact that the server seed changes with each roll of the hi/lo game.

Wrong. The mechanics of both free rolls and multiply BTC are identical.

This isn't about winning or losing.  I'm fine with losing if the game is fair, but the fact that the server seed changes with each roll is problematic as I explained in my post.

It's only problematic to you because you don't know what you are talking about.

Good reputation or not, most people aren't technical adept enough to understand the underlying workings of the game mechanics.  The switching of the server seed on each roll without providing a server seed hash prior to each roll (of hi/lo) is suspect and problematic.

It would be problematic if it was true but we do provide the server seed hash before each roll which makes your entire argument complete nonsense.

No need for hostility, I'm well aware that I may be off base somewhere, which is why I'm asking the question.  I WANT you game to be fair as I use it daily and want to trust the site.  Sure the mechanics, (the way you generate the rolls) on the back end are identical.  But what the engine is consuming on the back end are different no?  Or are you saying the back end consumes the same server seed that's presented for the daily free roll?

[Goldmansnacks]

I've verified the server seed hash presented on the free rolls page are the same ones used for the multiplier game.  Thanks for setting the record straight.  You guys are absolutely fair.  Sorry for raising the topic again. Conversation over.

[Goldmansnacks]

One last thing.  I also now understand why you guys present a new server seed for each roll.  As I mentioned in one of my previous posts, cryptographic operations are expensive and you want the front end to be as responsive as possible.  So to accomplish this, you have a pre-generated list of server seeds / hashes on the back end ready to be compared against and on the front end when the user clicks roll all you have to do is look up the seed in a map and send this seed back to the front end for verification.  Like:

hashMap = {"server_seed_hash_1": "seed_hash_1",
"server_seed_hash_2": "seed_hash_2",
"server_seed_hash_3": "seed_hash_3"}

return hashMap["server_seed_hash_1"]

Kind of a smart design to be honest as you've been able to make it performant and responsive.

[TheQuin]

No need for hostility,~

You actually explained yourself why there is.

This is a really old thread and I found your post through a google search after suspecting shady business myself~

You've just necrobumped an old thread and given Google a lot more false information to index for the person to find.

[Goldmansnacks]

No need for hostility,~

You actually explained yourself why there is.

This is a really old thread and I found your post through a google search after suspecting shady business myself~

You've just necrobumped an old thread and given Google a lot more false information to index for the person to find.

You should be grateful.  You and the other guy simply bickered and never truly came to a consensus.  If anyone else happens to wonder the same thing, the resolution based on actual findings and not heresy is here for posterities sake.  You're welcome prick.

[TheQuin]

You should be grateful.  You and the other guy simply bickered and never truly came to a consensus.  If anyone else happens to wonder the same thing, the resolution based on actual findings and not heresy is here for posterities sake.  You're welcome prick.

It took it easy on you because of the fact that you're a noob here and you don't have the first clue about basic forum etiquette and rules.

When you find a dead thread you don't necrobump it, you start a new one. After you find that your accusation is completely false you go back and edit the title of your thread with the word [SOLVED] and edit your text with a strikethrough and add a note explaining why. That way when anyone finds the post they immediately know that the information is incorrect whether they read the subsequent replies or not.

You have a major deficit in self-awareness so you are completely unaware that you are the one acting like a prick here.

This is an example of a newbie showing some common courtesy. [SOLVED] ChipMixer took my bitcoins - 1BTC. They even managed to post on the correct board.

The next time you enter a social situation you are unfamiliar with and you sense hostility you might want to consider the possibility that you are doing something wrong rather than trying to berate them.