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[YasserGomaa]

How to use vpn with antminers to bypass blocked sites

[kano]

How to use vpn with antminers to bypass blocked sites

This is a really bad idea since it delays your shares getting to the pool and thus increases stale shares and the likelihood of stale blocks.

[mikeywith]

You will need to use a router that has VPN functionality, there are many models out there, it all depends on your budget just make sure you DYOR before buying any, also as mentioned above using VPN will in most cases cause an increase in latency, whether that will bad enough to actually increase your stale shares or not is not something one can confirm without actually testing, it will depend on so many factors that are difficult to predict.

[kano]

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it will depend on so many factors that are difficult to predict.
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So many factors - zero factors means no delay, one factor means added delay ... so many factors means so many delays.
No vpn will speed up your miner connections, all vpns will slow it down.

[mikeywith]

So many factors - zero factors means no delay, one factor means added delay ... so many factors means so many delays.
No vpn will speed up your miner connections, all vpns will slow it down.

Maybe if you stop reading out of context things will make sense to you, everyone knows that VPN will slow down your connection (except for very rare cases when your ISP might be throttling a certain type of connection and VPN will actually be faster).

With that in mind, the use of VPN does not necessarily increase stale shares because even after the longer router those packets need to take, the total delay/latency could still be within a reasonable range and thus it might not affect your earnings.

[NotFuzzyWarm]

<snip>everyone knows that VPN will slow down your connection (except for very rare cases when your ISP might be throttling a certain type of connection and VPN will actually be faster)

I must beg to differ. Judging by most of the posts seen here there are a helluva lot of folks that do not know that because those same folks have zero knowledge of how the internet works.

Now as to if the added latency matters, depends on who you ask. Technically, YES it does because longer relay time means that there is a larger window where someone else may submit a found block to the network before you do. Does that matter in the Real World? If the latency is under say an arbitrary 1/2 sec, you'd have to look at a history of block finds to get a sense of the timing between submissions leading to Orphan races to figure that out.

The only hard fact is that you want the fastest possible connection to the BTC network and that rules out VPN's which generally bounce your data around the globe before sending it to the target destination.

[YasserGomaa]

Guys all what i need is to hide my ip as mining is restricted  in my country

[NotFuzzyWarm]

Guys all what i need is to hide my ip as mining is restricted  in my country

Then most here will have to say - DO NOT mine in your country. You are only asking for trouble when you are caught...

[mikeywith]

Now as to if the added latency matters, depends on who you ask. Technically, YES it does because longer relay time means that there is a larger window where someone else may submit a found block to the network before you do. Does that matter in the Real World? If the latency is under say an arbitrary 1/2 sec, you'd have to look at a history of block finds to get a sense of the timing between submissions leading to Orphan races to figure that out.

Since he most likely not going to be solo mining with his own node, this is rather not important at all, the pool has that covered, if shares are submitted in time, they are accepted.

The reason why I said he needs to try on his own is the fact it all boils down to how fast the connection between his router and the VPN server is, and between the VPN server and the pool server, if the total time it takes for the packet to make a two-way trip is within a reasonable time window, then most of his shares would be accepted, I remember -CK mentioned <200ms is okay (can't find the post tho).

The problem here is that most people would use the ICMP protocol (ping) which is available in their OS and they will ping pool website, which will give you false results that could be far from accurate, what you need to use something like the Stratum-Ping tool which is available for free on Github, that will give you a lot more accurate results.

But the easiest way would be to try a few pools, I am positive that you can get lucky enough and find pools that are easily reachable by the VPN server you use and you end up mining with no issue, it will just take a few tests and some time but it's doable.

that rules out VPN's which generally bounce your data around the globe before sending it to the target destination.

your data does not "bounce around the globe" when using a VPN, it just adds one more destination + the encryption time, if you use a proper VPN server that isn't fully loaded by other users, and the distance between you and that server isn't too far, you will barely notice the added latency and so won't the mining pool.

Guys all what i need is to hide my ip as mining is restricted  in my country

If mining is illegal in your country, you should not be doing it, using a VPN doesn't magically give you protection against the rules.

[BitMaxz]

Guys all what i need is to hide my ip as mining is restricted  in my country

What router do you have? Let me try to search the router if it supports Ovpn because it is easier to set up.

Mine is Tp-link it can easily set up with OpenVPN and I can remotely access my miner by using the same setup.
If your router is the same as mine you can check this youtube video how to setup Ovpn in your TP-link router https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A96nOgReUIM

[kano]

So many factors - zero factors means no delay, one factor means added delay ... so many factors means so many delays.
No vpn will speed up your miner connections, all vpns will slow it down.

Maybe if you stop reading out of context things will make sense to you, everyone knows that VPN will slow down your connection (except for very rare cases when your ISP might be throttling a certain type of connection and VPN will actually be faster).

With that in mind, the use of VPN does not necessarily increase stale shares because even after the longer router those packets need to take, the total delay/latency could still be within a reasonable range and thus it might not affect your earnings.

Stales is directly a result of the time for your miner to send shares to the pool.
That's what determines it.

It's not a 'range' or 'above or below' some value.
The time it takes for shares to get from your miner to the pool determines the % of them that will be stale.

1ms to the pool will still get stales.
10ms to the pool will still get stales.
50ms to the pool will get about 5x the stales of 10ms.
100ms to the pool will get about 10x the stales of 10ms.
300ms to the pool will get about 30x the stales of 10ms.
Over time those ratios will become obvious.
That's how it works.

Of course if you are running a crap miner that takes too long to do work changes, that will add on top of those numbers.
Not sure if any are like that today, but years ago the KNC miners were crap slow at doing work changes.

[mikeywith]

1ms to the pool will still get stales.
10ms to the pool will still get stales.
50ms to the pool will get about 5x the stales of 10ms.
100ms to the pool will get about 10x the stales of 10ms.
300ms to the pool will get about 30x the stales of 10ms.
Over time those ratios will become obvious.

That's true, but if 10ms gets you 0.001% stale shares and 100ms gets you 0.01% it's still within a good range of acceptance, the difference won't be even noticeable in the earnings.

The point here is that using VPN is not necessarily going to take you from 50ms to 300ms, depending on so many factors as mentioned above the added latency could be too small to be considered, in one of the small farms I have a very poor connection because the farm is located a bit far from the city, I use Ubiquiti p2p bridge to provide internet connectivity, the source itself is rather slow and have high latency because I can only use one shitty ISP, and despite all this mess, my accepted hashrate on the pool is well above 99% most of the time.

In other words, I have more latency than most other people even those who use VPN, so if someone has a fast and solid connection to a good VPN server they will probably do better than me.

[kano]

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In other words, I have more latency than most other people even those who use VPN, so if someone has a fast and solid connection to a good VPN server they will probably do better than me.

It's not comparing their connection to your quote: 'shitty', connection, it's comparing their connection with and without a VPN.
All VPNs add on delay - and the blatantly obvious: someone connecting with a high delay is bad for any pool.
Assuming a VPN is only going to add a tiny delay to their current connection, sounds like you've never looked at how a typical public VPN performs, only been a 'typical user' of VPNs and never had to care about the performance.

Relevant: on my pool the average pool wide stale rate is 0.19% i.e. 99.81% diff of shares are not stale.
That also includes the biggest connection I have from inside china that chooses to connect direct to West-USA through the GFW.

You seem to have some idea that adding %'s here and there and elsewhere don't matter.
I can certainly say I am glad you don't mine on my pool with your past comments about not caring about finding blocks, and not caring about losing some % of your mining to a firmware, and now telling people it doesn't matter if they lose some % to a slower connection also, and as long as they have a lot of money they'll always do the best thing.

Yes the world is full of "I don't care as long as I get money" but I prefer to point out what is best to do, not what is mediocre.

[mikeywith]

Assuming a VPN is only going to add a tiny delay to their current connection, sounds like you've never looked at how a typical public VPN performs

Yes, it's just a tiny delay if

1- Your internet connection is fast in the first place
2- The VPN server is pretty close
3- The pool server is close to the VPN server you connect to
4- It's a paid VPN with a decent server

Of course, if you use a free service that is fully loaded with other users and is located on the other side of the globe then you are asking for trouble, but most VPN services now have servers all over the world, it's pretty easy to find a decent VPN server nearby.

This isn't a matter of what I or you think, anyone can try it and see the results to themselves.

You seem to have some idea that adding %'s here and there and elsewhere don't matter.

It does matter, every share counts, and I rather get 0% stale shares, but if mine is 0.5% or 1% does that mean I should shut down my gears and move on with my life? it does seem like that is what you are suggesting, as a pool operator you have the code in place that takes care of this, if the work is submitted too late, you reject it, it's as simple as that.

Your concern is high latency, not the use of VPN, miner "A" could be mining to your pool with no VPN but with very high latency, on the other hand, miner "B" on a VPN may have very low latency to your pool compared to miner "A", to you, it does not matter, a share is either accepted or not, not sure what part of that you don't understand.

I can certainly say I am glad you don't mine on my pool

That makes two of us, I would be very pissed if I mined for almost a year and got zero rewards while wasting power bills and burning a few hash boards along the way.

[kano]

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and burning a few hash boards along the way.

I suggest you take better care of your miners.
Non-original firmware will also cause this.