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December 22, 2021, 06:13:50 PM
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How safe? what are all the risks involved with this lending platform?
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December 22, 2021, 07:33:09 PM
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How safe? what are all the risks involved with this lending platform?

I don't know how safe the Celsius Network platform is, but from what I've read the Celsius Network platform is a crypto lending and savings platform that is quite developed today, even coins from their platform (CEL) have experienced an increase of up to 800% in 2020, to Currently we don't know how much security and trust we can get if we store assets on the network, but from the experience of some of my friends, they say that the Celsius Network platform provides a fairly large percentage of interest on deposits that we have on the platform.

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December 22, 2021, 08:44:24 PM
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I have used them in their early days to earn some small interest but since you are giving your bitcoin to a third party custodian, you always have to worry about them losing your money.

Celsius makes money by lending out your deposits to generate a return for you but there's always a risk of them not getting your bitcoin back and then you just hope that they return it to you in the future.

If I were you, I would stay FAR away and look into other services like Atomic Finance. Atomic is slowly opening up beta access but it's completely solvent so you still control your private keys.

I know that it's tempting to want to increase the size of your stack without doing anything but always be careful of any service that offers you more sats if you give them your sats.


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December 22, 2021, 08:51:26 PM
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Atomic finance never heard of it but iam interested if you still control your keys ill look into it thanks man. On second thought its your first post sorry but i ll  have to be weary of that
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December 22, 2021, 09:37:05 PM
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On second thought its your first post sorry but i ll  have to be weary of that
This is the internet, you should be weary of anything and everything, be it the user's first post of their 10,000th, there is always the likelihood it can be malicious. Do not trust, verify.
This can also apply to your initial inquiry, do not make decisions solely on other users suggestions, always do your own research and verify any piece of information you can find.

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December 22, 2021, 09:56:14 PM
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On second thought its your first post sorry but i ll  have to be weary of that

I completely understand. I would be wary too. I created this profile a while ago but am trying to be more active on here and this was my first post since I have experience with Celsius.

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December 22, 2021, 11:54:51 PM
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The simple answer is;

"Not your keys, not your coins"

If you are going to put 10 BTC into their custody just to earn interest of 7% APR. Don't you think it would be better for you to keep the Bitcoins by yourself and HODL?
Why would you risk your assets for such a small reward?

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December 23, 2021, 02:57:49 AM
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I think you're into its earn and borrow feature. In such platforms, the most important thing that you need to remember, if it's not providing you your keys, then you have no safety with your fund even if they say that they're 100% safe and funds are safu.

You don't have the authority over the money you deposit within their platform because they're the ones that hold your crypto deposits into them. They're the same as the other exchanges. They've got a lot of choices for their earn feature and I'm also hooked with that. But after realizing that I'm entrusting my funds to them in return for some rates, I just don't find it to be worth it.



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December 23, 2021, 03:42:03 AM
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You get all the risks with any centralized lending platform; plus the fact that since Celsius is considered to be in the "DeFi" category, DeFi exploits can happen. And not only the fact that Celsius can be exploited, the protocols that Celsius uses for yield can also be exploited[2].


[1] https://cryptosec.info/defi-hacks
[2] https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2021/12/03/crypto-lender-celsius-admits-losses-in-120m-badgerdao-hack/

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December 23, 2021, 05:15:47 AM
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You get all the risks with any centralized lending platform; plus the fact that since Celsius is considered to be in the "DeFi" category, DeFi exploits can happen. And not only the fact that Celsius can be exploited, the protocols that Celsius uses for yield can also be exploited[2].


[1] https://cryptosec.info/defi-hacks
[2] https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2021/12/03/crypto-lender-celsius-admits-losses-in-120m-badgerdao-hack/
And we have seen so many defi platforms being hacked and all the funds staked will be gone forever.Secondly trusting any central platform for the safety of your funds is stupidity as they can be declared scam anytime.Whenever you put your funds into defi you are already prone to so many risks and first and most importantly lost of funds.So it's better to avoid them and enjoy little profits by yourself.

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December 23, 2021, 09:06:20 AM
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There is no safe terms here since you are simply giving up your coins to third parties to earn more money, if you have to use such platforms always make sure you throw the exact amount you can afford to lose on them because we really can't tell how safe your coins will be

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December 23, 2021, 03:21:24 PM
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And we have seen so many defi platforms being hacked and all the funds staked will be gone forever.Secondly trusting any central platform for the safety of your funds is stupidity as they can be declared scam anytime.Whenever you put your funds into defi you are already prone to so many risks and first and most importantly lost of funds.So it's better to avoid them and enjoy little profits by yourself.

I wouldn't really call using centralized platforms "stupid", because there's really nothing wrong with leaving your funds on centralized platforms for extra yield as long as you really know the risks and if you're totally fine with the risks you're taking.

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December 23, 2021, 06:16:43 PM
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How safe? what are all the risks involved with this lending platform?
Understand that there's always a price to pay when using a lending platform that's centralized and if you want to lend a platform that you could earn passive income from while you keep your holding, I will advise you to check out Aave since it is an open-source and non-custodial platform to earn passive income through lending, etc.

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December 24, 2021, 04:33:47 PM
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The simple answer is;

"Not your keys, not your coins"

If you are going to put 10 BTC into their custody just to earn interest of 7% APR. Don't you think it would be better for you to keep the Bitcoins by yourself and HODL?
Why would you risk your assets for such a small reward?
The OP is trying to answer your question. In order to calculate if a potential reward should be sought, you need to determine the probability of losses.


To answer the OPs question, it depends on their ability to manage credit risk. They are not an outright scam, but they obviously make money by lending out coin they are holding on behalf of their customers and pocket the difference between the interest they pay and what they receive.

You can judge their ability to manage risk, in part by looking at interest rates for borrowing compared to interest rates they pay deposits and the conditions in which collateral will be liquidated. 
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December 25, 2021, 07:53:39 PM
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I've used them a bunch of times and never had any issues.

Is that a guarantee though that they will continue to be this way in the future? Absolutely not.

As far as I know, you don't have any insurance on your coins, and even if you do you obviously don't hold your keys so it's worthwhile to ask yourself whether this is worth it for you? If they do go bankrupt, the proceedings are going to be very opaque and no one knows if you will ever get compensated.

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As far as I know, you don't have any insurance on your coins
They don't.

no one knows if you will ever get compensated.
You won't

As I always do when questions such as this one arise, I suggest you go and thoroughly read their Terms of Use to see just exactly what you are signing up for, and not be led by the marketing gimmicks of promising ridiculous risk free returns, which is obviously bullshit. In particular, read and consider the following statements (emphasis added):

In consideration for the Rewards payable to you on your Celsius Account and the use of our Services, you grant Celsius, subject to applicable law and for the duration of the period during which the Eligible Digital Assets are loaned to us through your Celsius Account, all right and title to such Digital Assets, including ownership rights, and the right, without further notice to you, to hold such Digital Assets in Celsius’ own Virtual Wallet or elsewhere, and to pledge, re-pledge, hypothecate, rehypothecate, sell, lend, or otherwise transfer or use any amount of such Digital Assets, separately or together with other property, with all attendant rights of ownership, and for any period of time, and without retaining in Celsius’ possession and/or control a like amount of Digital Assets or any other monies or assets, and to use or invest such Digital Assets in Celsius’ full discretion. You acknowledge that with respect to Digital Assets used by Celsius pursuant to this paragraph:
(i) You will not be able to exercise rights of ownership;
(ii) Celsius may receive compensation in connection with lending or otherwise using Digital Assets in its business to which you have no claim or entitlement; and
(iii) In the event that Celsius becomes bankrupt, enters liquidation or is otherwise unable to repay its obligations, you may not be able to recover or regain ownership of such Digital Assets, and other than your rights as a creditor of Celsius under any applicable laws, you may not have any legal remedies or rights in connection with Celsius’ obligations to you.

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You agree to indemnify and hold harmless Celsius and its Affiliates, and their respective employees, managers, officers, directors, partners and shareholders from any losses, damages, suits and expenses, of whatever kind, including reasonable legal fees, that we incur in connection with or arising out of your access to or use of the Services

They can do anything they like with your coins, spend them in any way they like or give them to anyone they like, they won't tell you what they are doing with them, you give up all rights of ownership, and you have no legal rights to compensation should something go wrong. Essentially the whole thing comes down to Celsius totally promise to give you more money than you give them, but if it all goes wrong, well sucks to be you. They use your coins to make themselves profits while passing all of the risk on to you.
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After reading some of these i ve decided to remove all my coins from Celsius back on to my ledger, i ve realized it just doesnt seem worth the risk for so little rewards. On top of that the fact that Celsius just slashed their bitcoin rate from 6 to 3.5 doesnt help that much either. After reading elsewhere i dont think they can sustain those types of rates in the long run either just my opinion. Better safe than sorry i guess. ive already had a sim card attack on my phone i am not going to risk it anymore.
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After reading some of these i ve decided to remove all my coins from Celsius back on to my ledger, i ve realized it just doesnt seem worth the risk for so little rewards. On top of that the fact that Celsius just slashed their bitcoin rate from 6 to 3.5 doesnt help that much either. After reading elsewhere i dont think they can sustain those types of rates in the long run either just my opinion. Better safe than sorry i guess. ive already had a sim card attack on my phone i am not going to risk it anymore.

Good choice. If your intention was to gain yield, you'd much rather go for altcoin staking using a responsible amount of money instead; whereas you can get 20% to upwards of 80% of yields, you just need to be really picky with the coins and not solely look at the yield(P.S. DYOR, it can definitely be risky). A measly 3.5% is definitely NOT worth the risk.

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If your intention was to gain yield, you'd much rather go for altcoin staking using a responsible amount of money instead; whereas you can get 20% to upwards of 80% of yields
Different risks, sure, but I don't think it is necessarily any less risky.

If you use a third party then you are exposed to all the same risks as depositing your bitcoin to Celsius or a similar third party. If you do it from your own wallet, you are still having to sell your bitcoin for an altcoin (99% of which are scams), lock your coins/tokens up in some smart contract (many of which have been hacked or had critical vulnerabilities or bugs), and not be able to react to price changes when your altcoin dumps. Rewards of 80%, or even 20%, are completely unsustainable and not at all covered by block fees. The most likely outcome here is that the coin in question is simply minting or releasing new coins/tokens at will to pay out these rewards and grossly inflating the supply, making it no better than fiat and leading to an inevitable price dump.

I've never understood why in a space where we have seen returns orders of magnitude higher than any other asset, people are willing to risk all that to squeeze out another few percentage points.
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