Choosing a blockchain for blockchain game NFTs

[BitcoinIsABubble]

Hello, community,

I am part of an upcoming P2E RPG game, where the in-game mechanics will be off-chain. Players will be able to deposit/withdraw their native token on-chain and off-chain, stake their NFTs, and use them within the game. This way we are saving gas fees for the users and still bring the decentralized economy within the game.

We are 45 days from the alpha and we have currently settled on BSC for both the native token and the NFTs.

The issue with BSC is that there is no prominent marketplace like OpenSea/MagicEden which holds the majority of volume on BSC, so the only solution seems to be building our own marketplace for NFT drops, auctions, and secondary market.

In order to release all functions, we will need 70-75 days to deploy.


To summarize - we are trying to figure out a solution that will allow us to gain exposure for our initial NFTs for the game.

Sticking to the current plan, we will not be able to have a secondary market for the NFTs so people will have only the option to buy them and use them within the game for the alpha stage of the game, until May/June.
Would love to hear your thoughts on that, cheers!

[vukthewolfy]

Why not go with Matic? Pretty much the same shit as BSC, but you can access OpenSea.

Also, having an offchain/onchain token is a disaster w8ing to happen. It would require only so much for someone to create an infinite amount of tokens offchain, bridge it and nuke the market. I have firsthand experienced this so many times. Be extremely careful with that. There definitely are some workarounds and how to mitigate this issue given enough thought.

Also, is there any place like telegram or discord where we could follow your project?

[BitcoinIsABubble]

Hey @vukthewolfy, thanks for your reply.

We are aware of the security risks coming with an off-chain database token and we are actively exploring solutions for that.

All withdrawals will be approved manually and we will record a public log of all actions happening within the game servers.

You can check our project here - https://pathofsurvival.io/

If you have any suggestions on how to improve the off-chain to on-chain mechanics I would be more than happy to talk about it, you can hit me up on Telegram @lifeisluckbased

[el kaka22]

Enjin and SOL seems to be the finest ones for these type of jobs. Enjin because it has a great game integration system, they made it so that almost any type of engine could be integrated with them and since yours looking for something special I could guess that there will be some sort of need for that.

If you are not looking for that then I would guess that something like SOL would work. It is by far the cheapest and it is quite fast (nearly instant) and you could use that because people are using it. Avax has a crazy community as well, people are so willing to "use" their avax that they do always realize that is an investment so you could use that too.

[yazher]

I played so many NFT games but when it comes to using a blockchain, I personally prefer Matic polygon because of its almost nothing transaction fees. BSC is a bit high now especially when you constantly doing transactions in a game, you will lose interest to play because you gonna waste lots of BNB just to play the game which is not worth it if your NFT game has not have massive earn to play features.

[julerz12]

Opensea accepts payments through Polygon (MATIC), that alone is a plus factor and we all know the transaction fees on that network are way cheaper than BSC. MATIC even has their own NFT Marketplace polygon.nftically.com
Another option for you is Solana. I recently managed a bounty campaign for an NFT Project that runs on Solana and they are working fine on it. They got cheap transaction fees too. solanart.io and solsea.io are the two NFT Marketplace I found for Solana.

[tbct_mt2]

NFT games are unsustainable if they provides too high ROIs and if they only have Play To Earn P2E mode. Developer teams can mint billions of token for reward pool but what will happen after all reward pool is used? Minting more and resulting in inflation in total supply, it's terrible action.

So despite of some attractive things on the tip of iceberg such as high ROIs, high speculation, attractive game designs, etc. if those NFT games have unsustainable finance model, they will be broken. Just a matter of time when their projects will fail and when their tokens will lose dramatically in value.

[BitcoinIsABubble]

Thank you for your input.

The thing with OpenSea is that 90% of the volume there is botted, so in order to list a new collection and gain traction, you need to invest a hefty amount of money in creating botted accounts for OpenSea and paying the 2.5% fee all day.

Imo if we list on Matic on OpenSea are two options - a) we do not get any reach and our NFTs just get bought by our native supporters or b) we do the fake promo with bots, volume and KOLs and then the assets will be overvalued, so eventually people will start selling them for less, the floor will break and potential players will be out of the equation.

BSC is shit when it comes to transaction costs, however, in our game this is handled by keeping the game mechanics off-chain and have only the Deposit/Withdraw option, both for NFTs and our native token.


Looking long-term, having our own marketplace with auctions, drops and secondary sales is a good addition to the project value and at the same time you do not have to deal with 3rd party marketplaces to sync with them and list on some average tier marketplace.

[redwine49]

Hello, community,

I am part of an upcoming P2E RPG game, where the in-game mechanics will be off-chain. Players will be able to deposit/withdraw their native token on-chain and off-chain, stake their NFTs, and use them within the game. This way we are saving gas fees for the users and still bring the decentralized economy within the game.

We are 45 days from the alpha and we have currently settled on BSC for both the native token and the NFTs.

The issue with BSC is that there is no prominent marketplace like OpenSea/MagicEden which holds the majority of volume on BSC, so the only solution seems to be building our own marketplace for NFT drops, auctions, and secondary market.

In order to release all functions, we will need 70-75 days to deploy.


To summarize - we are trying to figure out a solution that will allow us to gain exposure for our initial NFTs for the game.

Sticking to the current plan, we will not be able to have a secondary market for the NFTs so people will have only the option to buy them and use them within the game for the alpha stage of the game, until May/June.
Would love to hear your thoughts on that, cheers!

First I'm glad you're working to build an ecosystem in crypto given your account name that goes against your beliefs

If you want to build NFT games with off-chain mechanism. There will be some consequences
1. it will open the door for hackers to attack your database and when they succeed, your game project will be game over.
2. it will not like defi (decentralized finance) which we don't need to trust them when using their platform so you'll need to build more trust for users.

[BitcoinIsABubble]

Hello, community,

I am part of an upcoming P2E RPG game, where the in-game mechanics will be off-chain. Players will be able to deposit/withdraw their native token on-chain and off-chain, stake their NFTs, and use them within the game. This way we are saving gas fees for the users and still bring the decentralized economy within the game.

We are 45 days from the alpha and we have currently settled on BSC for both the native token and the NFTs.

The issue with BSC is that there is no prominent marketplace like OpenSea/MagicEden which holds the majority of volume on BSC, so the only solution seems to be building our own marketplace for NFT drops, auctions, and secondary market.

In order to release all functions, we will need 70-75 days to deploy.


To summarize - we are trying to figure out a solution that will allow us to gain exposure for our initial NFTs for the game.

Sticking to the current plan, we will not be able to have a secondary market for the NFTs so people will have only the option to buy them and use them within the game for the alpha stage of the game, until May/June.
Would love to hear your thoughts on that, cheers!

First I'm glad you're working to build an ecosystem in crypto given your account name that goes against your beliefs

If you want to build NFT games with off-chain mechanism. There will be some consequences
1. it will open the door for hackers to attack your database and when they succeed, your game project will be game over.
2. it will not like defi (decentralized finance) which we don't need to trust them when using their platform so you'll need to build more trust for users.

Hello, community,

I am part of an upcoming P2E RPG game, where the in-game mechanics will be off-chain. Players will be able to deposit/withdraw their native token on-chain and off-chain, stake their NFTs, and use them within the game. This way we are saving gas fees for the users and still bring the decentralized economy within the game.

We are 45 days from the alpha and we have currently settled on BSC for both the native token and the NFTs.

The issue with BSC is that there is no prominent marketplace like OpenSea/MagicEden which holds the majority of volume on BSC, so the only solution seems to be building our own marketplace for NFT drops, auctions, and secondary market.

In order to release all functions, we will need 70-75 days to deploy.


To summarize - we are trying to figure out a solution that will allow us to gain exposure for our initial NFTs for the game.

Sticking to the current plan, we will not be able to have a secondary market for the NFTs so people will have only the option to buy them and use them within the game for the alpha stage of the game, until May/June.
Would love to hear your thoughts on that, cheers!

First I'm glad you're working to build an ecosystem in crypto given your account name that goes against your beliefs

If you want to build NFT games with off-chain mechanism. There will be some consequences
1. it will open the door for hackers to attack your database and when they succeed, your game project will be game over.
2. it will not like defi (decentralized finance) which we don't need to trust them when using their platform so you'll need to build more trust for users.

Thank you for your reply.

Glad that you like my nickname A lot of people back in 2018 were saying that around me so it served me as inspiration. 

1. In terms of risk mitigation, we have a log of every transaction and all withdrawals will be manually processed and suspicious activity will be handled before the damage goes on-chain. Even if someone breaches the servers, they cannot process anything on-chain and crash the economy as we can revert to an older version of the game (12-24h ago)
2. Trust is important in any long-term project, so even if this takes time, I believe that will be in favor of the project's gradual capitalization.

[BitcoinIsABubble]

The thing I do not like about Polygon is that it is a layer solution, which is running on ETH.

That being said, it seems more reasonable to have your NFTs on a centralized network like BSC instead of a layer solution on ETH as it is not directly ETH.

[redwine49]

The thing I do not like about Polygon is that it is a layer solution, which is running on ETH.

That being said, it seems more reasonable to have your NFTs on a centralized network like BSC instead of a layer solution on ETH as it is not directly ETH.

You can choose whatever as you see fit for your project and the common good for the community & future players.
If you are looking for a promotion to gain exposure in the crypto world, you can offer forum members here

I've also been following a discussion about P2E game systems

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5385251.0#msg59215841

You feel free to join the discussion and express your thoughts about it

[marine4u]

SOL seems to be the finest ones for these type of jobs.

Agreed but really surprising ,based on my observations, there are not many nft game, metaverse projects that choose to build on Sol, that is probably modesty, a big limitation for Solana for development at this level.  adapt to the same trend?  ETH, Polygon, BSC are occupying a large market share of NFT gamefi projects.  Lol

[asriloni]

1. In terms of risk mitigation, we have a log of every transaction and all withdrawals will be manually processed and suspicious activity will be handled before the damage goes on-chain. Even if someone breaches the servers, they cannot process anything on-chain and crash the economy as we can revert to an older version of the game (12-24h ago)

I have ever used the exchange site that was doing manual transaction and it's really frustrated waiting for the thing that must come in few minutes and we must wait that for a few days to be processed. How can you able to maintain your platform 24/7. Remember that you can expect your users will be coming from the various timezone. How can you handle this once the transaction must be processed manually?

[ryzaadit]

Hi, just suggested.

NFTrade is being used for the alternative marketplace like OpenSea. By the way, If you project looking promising why not applied to "Binance NFTs Marketpalce"? I'm moderating my project and they can successfully entering Binance NFTs Marketplace.

I think marketplace is not really a big problem. I more prefer how the project (P2E) solved overload minting and how they prevent selling pressure from their burning mechanism.

[BitcoinIsABubble]

1. In terms of risk mitigation, we have a log of every transaction and all withdrawals will be manually processed and suspicious activity will be handled before the damage goes on-chain. Even if someone breaches the servers, they cannot process anything on-chain and crash the economy as we can revert to an older version of the game (12-24h ago)

I have ever used the exchange site that was doing manual transaction and it's really frustrated waiting for the thing that must come in few minutes and we must wait that for a few days to be processed. How can you able to maintain your platform 24/7. Remember that you can expect your users will be coming from the various timezone. How can you handle this once the transaction must be processed manually?

We are going to limit withdrawals to one every 30/60min per user.

In regards to manual processing, I have worked for Crypto.com, and if organized right, an enormous volume of requests can be covered by semi-manual processing.

I have seen the problems of scaling appear way down the road, once the community was over 10 million users already and this again is subject to change, once you get to this milestone.

We have planned to have 3 people working around the clock on 8h shifts who will be responsible for reviewing these transactions.


To follow up on @ryzaadit -> We have already designed our own marketplace for the game itself and plan to launch it together with the alpha.

For the promotional NFTs which aim to help us bring player base to the closed alpha, we will use Matic and list them on OpenSea for better exposure.

I believe that for a gaming project, you should have a customized marketplace as it adds to the overall feeling for the game. If you plan to list game assets and have customized attributes, a one-fits-all template would not cut it.

Here is an example of the customization we have done for our marketplace: