Need Help With Transaction ( Unconfirmed Parent Electrum )

[mainsyftw1690]

I have been trying to do a BTC transaction and for some reason when I try to increase the fee I get the message bellow can someone please help me out with this because I dont have a clue what I am supposed to do






" The server returned an error when broadcasting the transaction.
Consider trying to connect to a different server, or updating Electrum.

insufficient fee
Your transaction is trying to replace another one in the mempool but it does not meet the rules to do so. Try to increase the fee. "



Here is a picture of what my Electrum looks like - https://imgur.com/a/hLpqg2s

EDIT
I thought I had fixed the problem but I have just run into the same problem again here is an update in my electrum - https://imgur.com/a/54hsgGV





Thanks for any help

[LoyceV]

insufficient fee
Your transaction is trying to replace another one in the mempool but it does not meet the rules to do so. Try to increase the fee. "

As far as I know, there's a certain minimum amount to increase the fee by. What fee (in sat/vbyte) are you trying to set?

[mocacinno]

What i can see is two unconfirmed transactions, the second unconfirmed transaction probably uses the change from the first unconfirmed transaction, hence the term "unconfirmed parent".

The problem you're describing, tough, probably has something to do with bumping the fee... And as LoyceV already said: there's a minimum amount to increase the fee by in order to make the rbf transaction valid.

In other words: i think you're getting quite confused because you have 2 problems: the first one is that you only payed 2 sats/vbyte for your initial transaction's fee (while >5 sat/vbyte is advisable), the second problem is that you used the unspent output funding your change address as an input for a second transaction, thus created a transaction with an unconfirmed parent.

When you bump the fee, it should be sufficient to bump the fee of the second transaction (the one with the unconfirmed parent) to a level where you pay more than 5 sats/vbyte for BOTH stuck transactions (it's a form of CPFP => child pays for parent).

[mainsyftw1690]

Hello thanks for your quick reply

As far as I know [ rbf, 2 sat / b, 3.38MB ] - The 2nd picture is what I am stuck at



When I try to increase the fee to rbf, 3 sat  I get the bellow error -

" The server returned an error when broadcasting the transaction.
Consider trying to connect to a different server, or updating Electrum.

insufficient fee
Your transaction is trying to replace another one in the mempool but it does not meet the rules to do so. Try to increase the fee. "


I dont know why this has happened it usually goes smoothly the problem came when the coins where taking to long to send from exchance to electrum
so i bumped it and this happened


Thanks for your help

[mocacinno]

I was still updating my reply (one of my bad habits is that i tend to add a lot of stuff to a post after initially posting it).

You should take the size of the first transaction PLUS the size of the second transaction, then bump the fee of the second transaction (the one telling you has an unconfirmed parent), so the fee is > 5*(size of tx1 + size of tx2).

The problem here is that the transaction with the unconfirmed parent can NEVER be confirmed as long as it's parent isn't confirmed (it's parent probably being the first unconfirmed transaction). If you want to second transaction to become confirmed, you need to add a fee that's sufficient to cover the low fee of both transactions...

An other option would be to just "wait it out". Especially if there's no need to get your transaction in the next couple of blocks, waiting might be easyer than messing with RBF or CPFP.

[LoyceV]

When I try to increase the fee to rbf, 3 sat  I get the bellow error -

See what happens if you make it 4 sat/vbyte.

[mocacinno]

I've been looking at the screenshots you posted, and i start to wonder: are these self transfers?

You have a transaction funding one of your addresses with an electrum timestamp of today, 10:53 AM, which was confirmed VERY recently. Before this incoming transaction, your wallet seems to have been empty (according to the screenshot)

Then you have a transaction with a value of -0.00000381 sat's, with a fee of 3.5 sat/vbyte... This amount is just enough to cover the fee, and since there's a dust limit, i can only assume you're moving funds inside your wallet. Since 3.5 sat/vbyte is lower than the current "optimal" fee of ~>5sat/vbyte, it remained unconfirmed. Since the wallet was empty before today, i can only assume this transaction is using the unspent output you received @10:53 AM as an input.

Then you have a thirth transaction using the funds you have moved to your own wallet and uses the unconfirmed unspent output as an input to create a transaction with an unconfirmed parent, with a fee of 2 sat/vbyte and a value transfer of -0.00000221. Now, at 2 sat/vbyte, 221 satoshi's is again barely enough to cover the fee, so i wonder if this is a second transaction inside your own wallet.

https://imgur.com/a/hLpqg2s

There's hardly ever a need to move funds to a different address generated by the same wallet... Unless it's for consolidation reasons (which isn't the case here, since you only have one unspent output, so you cannot consolidate it).
Might i ask what you are trying to accomplish here? Are you trying to learn, are you trying to gain some anonymity (if you try to gain some anonimity this way, you're not going to like the outcome), or are you geniunly confused (in this case, take a step back, wait a while, you're doing more harm by panicking than by figuring everything out before doing something else).

[mainsyftw1690]

Thanks for the help guys I managed to bump the fee of the unconfirmed parent I have bumped it right up too rbf, 11 .sat

Am I best waiting or just keep bumping the fee until it goes through I needed the coins for this morning but defo for tomorrow morning
I dont mind bumping the fee just not sure its defo going to work am I save doing this or is it a waste of coin

The problem started when the coins took to long coming from exchange to electrum so I bumped the fee and this problem happened

Thanks for the help

[mocacinno]

Thanks for the help guys I managed to bump the fee of the unconfirmed parent I have bumped it right up too rbf, 11 .sat

Am I best waiting or just keep bumping the fee until it goes through I needed the coins for this morning but defo for tomorrow morning
I dont mind bumping the fee just not sure its defo going to work am I save doing this or is it a waste of coin

The problem started when the coins took to long coming from exchange to electrum so I bumped the fee and this problem happened

Thanks for the help

Something must have gone horribly wrong. If you withdrew from the exchange, you are the receiver, and only the sender can bump the fee (in this case: the exchange)... The receiver could do a Child pays for parent tough (a CPFP).
I assume the transaction from 10:53 was the transaction from the exchange. In the screenshot you have shown, this transaction was already confirmed.
It is my best guess that you might have used the wrong menu inside electrum, and started to do CPFP's, and maybe even tried to bump those children afterwards, getting you in one big ugly mess.

At this point, you could always try to bump the fee of the most recent transaction, 11 sat/vbyte is probably fine since your parent transaction also included *some* fees, so the 11 sat/vbyte of the child + the 3,5 sat/vbyte of the parent should be more than 5 sat/vbyte for the child+ parent.

[mainsyftw1690]

Mate I though I had fixed the problem from your post then the same problem happened again I am a complete nood when it come to this I tried sending the coins to an address then messed the transaction up again I really dunno what I am doing here I am trying to learn to be honest not doing a very good job at that

[mocacinno]

Mate I though I had fixed the problem from your post then the same problem happened again I am a complete nood when it come to this I tried sending the coins to an address then messed the transaction up again I really dunno what I am doing here I am trying to learn to be honest not doing a very good job at that

Everybody has to learn
All in all, this will probably be a rather cheap lesson for you, since it'll probably cost you 11 sat/vbyte for a couple hundred vbytes in tx's...

Whatever you do, don't create yet another "child pays for parent" transaction, cause you'll end up with 3 unconfirmed transactions, whilst the initial transaction is long confirmed. Offcourse, it's hindsight now, but if you hadn't done anything, the funds would already have been available to you a while ago... It's those CPFP transactions you created that are currently holding you back.

My advice would be to wait it out... You could bump the fee, but stay faaaaaaaaar away from the "child pays for parent" menu!!!

[mainsyftw1690]

Ok thank you pal I will wait it out here and see and hopefully it fixes itself, I will be staying away from child pays for parent in the future if I had patience this problem would never of happened haha



EDIT -
Thats the problem fixed coins are being sent again, thank you everyone for the help

[nc50lc]

Mate I though I had fixed the problem from your post then the same problem happened again I am a complete nood when it come to this I tried sending the coins to an address then messed the transaction up again I really dunno what I am doing here I am trying to learn to be honest not doing a very good job at that

-snip- EDIT -
Thats the problem fixed coins are being sent again, thank you everyone for the help

There was actually no issue in your last transaction.
It's normal to see "Unconfirmed Parent" if the only coin (UTXO) in your wallet is still unconfirmed.
That's just basically means that it's trying to spend an unconfirmed coin, it's not stuck or anything.

If you don't want to create transactions with unconfirmed parent:
You can enable the setting "Spend only confirmed coins" under "Tools->Preferences->'Transactions' tab".
That way, you'll have to wait for transactions to get at least 1confirmation before you can spend them.