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July 09, 2022, 12:57:21 PM
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Utility is the ingredient Bitcoin has.

as for me the bigest Bitcoin problem - is volatility.
let say 3months ago I bought BTC for 40000$. but now it cost only 20000$. is this OK for you ?

also I can't agree that you can pay only using Bitcoin. for example Ethereum and Monero is also acceptable in many places.


For me the same, but it doesn't change the fact that it's still the least volatile among all the crypto (disregarding stablecoins which actually can get worse in the case of Terra and many other failed stablecoins).

Again, you miss my point in utility. If I bought BTC to use it 3 months ago I used it. I buy it now to use it again, the price is not really what I see because I bought $100 worth at any time to use it and then to cash it out again.

I'm not speculating, and if I am, altcoins are still worse in terms of volatility.

You can say what you want but show me how you can buy food today or p2p easily today with ETH and XMR. I love those 2 coins but face it, few Monero and ETH USERS as opposed to Bitcoin users.

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July 09, 2022, 09:44:53 PM
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It will be 100% de-centralized.
What and how do you measure the decentralization and why can you be sure that the exact decentralization will be pitch-perfect?
In my cryptocurrency de-centralization will be at same level as in bitcoin.
As we know, in theory in bitcoin absolute de-centralization, but in fact miners can cooperate, get 51% of mining power, and in such case 51% equale to 100% centralization.
That is horrendously wrong. 51% mining power does not equal as 100% centralization. Let's assume that miners will indeed cooperate and are not interested in making monies anymore, what about the people who run Bitcoin nodes? What about the code that runs within all the nodes?

And there is no way that your project will have the same level of decentralization as bitcoin.

the concept of Bitcoin is such that 51% mining power = 100% control of Bitcoin.
sabotge via controlling nodes is not possible.

>And there is no way that your project will have the same level of decentralization as bitcoin.
no, absoutely the same level of centralization. trust me ;-)

Technically yes, you can have the control of Bitcoin network but do you know how much it would cost for you to keep the control for an hour? It will be in Billions and even it's not really possible to do if some government wants to this alone or combined which defines how big and diversified the network is.









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July 12, 2022, 09:40:03 PM
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It will be 100% de-centralized.
What and how do you measure the decentralization and why can you be sure that the exact decentralization will be pitch-perfect?
In my cryptocurrency de-centralization will be at same level as in bitcoin.
As we know, in theory in bitcoin absolute de-centralization, but in fact miners can cooperate, get 51% of mining power, and in such case 51% equale to 100% centralization.
That is horrendously wrong. 51% mining power does not equal as 100% centralization. Let's assume that miners will indeed cooperate and are not interested in making monies anymore, what about the people who run Bitcoin nodes? What about the code that runs within all the nodes?

And there is no way that your project will have the same level of decentralization as bitcoin.

the concept of Bitcoin is such that 51% mining power = 100% control of Bitcoin.
sabotge via controlling nodes is not possible.

>And there is no way that your project will have the same level of decentralization as bitcoin.
no, absoutely the same level of centralization. trust me ;-)

Technically yes, you can have the control of Bitcoin network but do you know how much it would cost for you to keep the control for an hour? It will be in Billions and even it's not really possible to do if some government wants to this alone or combined which defines how big and diversified the network is.

I was only saying that control 51% equal to control 100%.
I was not saying that it is possible to control 51%. Also I was not saying that it is impossible.  Smiley

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July 12, 2022, 09:45:39 PM
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Utility is the ingredient Bitcoin has.

as for me the bigest Bitcoin problem - is volatility.
let say 3months ago I bought BTC for 40000$. but now it cost only 20000$. is this OK for you ?

also I can't agree that you can pay only using Bitcoin. for example Ethereum and Monero is also acceptable in many places.


For me the same, but it doesn't change the fact that it's still the least volatile among all the crypto (disregarding stablecoins which actually can get worse in the case of Terra and many other failed stablecoins).

Again, you miss my point in utility. If I bought BTC to use it 3 months ago I used it. I buy it now to use it again, the price is not really what I see because I bought $100 worth at any time to use it and then to cash it out again.

I'm not speculating, and if I am, altcoins are still worse in terms of volatility.

You can say what you want but show me how you can buy food today or p2p easily today with ETH and XMR. I love those 2 coins but face it, few Monero and ETH USERS as opposed to Bitcoin users.

I agree that altcoins has no such utility(acceptance level at e-shops) as Bitcoin.
Yes, it's big problem of altcoins.
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July 12, 2022, 09:49:50 PM
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It will be 100% de-centralized.
What and how do you measure the decentralization and why can you be sure that the exact decentralization will be pitch-perfect?
In my cryptocurrency de-centralization will be at same level as in bitcoin.
As we know, in theory in bitcoin absolute de-centralization, but in fact miners can cooperate, get 51% of mining power, and in such case 51% equale to 100% centralization.
That is horrendously wrong. 51% mining power does not equal as 100% centralization. Let's assume that miners will indeed cooperate and are not interested in making monies anymore, what about the people who run Bitcoin nodes? What about the code that runs within all the nodes?
the concept of Bitcoin is such that 51% mining power = 100% control of Bitcoin.
sabotge via controlling nodes is not possible.

My point is any amount of mining power can't control how many coins they generated per block, spend other people's coins, reversing any transaction. thus there is none of 100% control. You are excluding nodes within the decentralization aspects.

Conversely, since your project is brand new, untested, and even unknown about how all of the aspects will look like, it surely has a greater chance of having a majority attack and lack of decentralization.


51% of mining power can control any and every aspect of blockchain with PoW concept.
Nodes are nothing.

Of course, I agree that any new altcoin can be victim of 51%-attack.
Especially, if sha-256 for PoW used.
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July 14, 2022, 05:10:08 AM
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~snip~
My point is any amount of mining power can't control how many coins they generated per block, spend other people's coins, reversing any transaction. thus there is none of 100% control. You are excluding nodes within the decentralization aspects.

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51% of mining power can control any and every aspect of blockchain with PoW concept.
Nodes are nothing.

No.

Let's pull up snipped information from the Bitcoin wiki:

Majority attack

If the attacker controls more than half of the network hashrate, this has a probability of 100% to succeed. Since the attacker can generate blocks faster than the rest of the network, he can simply persevere with his private fork until it becomes longer than the branch built by the honest network, from whatever disadvantage.

Attacker has a lot of computing power

An attacker that controls more than 50% of the network's computing power can, for the time that he is in control, exclude and modify the ordering of transactions. This allows him to:

    Reverse transactions that he sends while he's in control. This has the potential to double-spend transactions that previously had already been seen in the block chain, affecting all coins that share a history with the reversed transaction
    Reverse confirmations for any transaction that had previously been seen in the block chain while he’s in control.
    Prevent some or all transactions from gaining any confirmations
    Prevent some or all other miners from mining any valid blocks

The attacker can't:

    Reverse other people's transactions without their cooperation (unless their coin history has been affected by a double-spend)
    Prevent transactions from being sent at all (they'll show as 0/unconfirmed)
    Change the number of coins generated per block
    Create coins out of thin air
    Send coins that never belonged to him
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 Probably the most likely scenario where this attack would be employed would be for a government to try to get control over Bitcoin by acquiring a majority of hashing power (either directly or by enforcing rules on private miners within its borders). Then this government could use the transaction-censorship power listed above to do things like:

    Prevent any transactions spending "stolen" coins, effectively destroying those coins. If the coins clearly are stolen, then there is a risk that this action will be accepted by the Bitcoin community, but this would set a very damaging precedent. If it becomes possible for coins to be blacklisted in this way, then it is a slippery slope toward blacklisting of other "suspicious" coins.
    Prevent all transactions from unknown people, so everyone has to register with the government in order to transact.

What do you think nodes are doing within the Bitcoin network? I supposed you think it has zero influence within the network?

Controlling any and every aspect of bitcoin is incorrect. See the point that attacker can't do as the above quoted message. The attacker surely can do those things, but all of the honest nodes will reject it since it does not adhere to the rules.
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