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March 31, 2014, 09:12:56 PM
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Thus I asked, are we letting China, or more fundamentally, one country to dictate the value of Bitcoin? Should we be thankful to the Chinese for driving the price of Bitcoin up?  Remember, if they can drive the price up, they can drive the prices down, and that means having control. Isn't Bitcoin supposed to be decentralized, free of any authoritative control? apparently it seems the Chinese is in control of Bitcoin

This type of selfish I have seen enough in China, and it makes me feel like home seeing it on an Enlish forum.

Chinese people use Bitcoin because it gives them something they otherwise should beg from the government. You praise bitcoin for beinng decentralized, so Chinese government, a centralized power, should be out of the picture. Why should not Chinese people enjoy the same advantage? Why when you are trying to free yourself from your big powers, we should be slaves to ours? And when we (Chinese) fail at our foe, being victims of a centrlized power, you just ask us out of the picture together? WHY YOU THINK CHINESE ARE THE ENEMY of decentralization, when WE ARE THE VICTIM of centralization?

Stop externalize China by PERSONALIZING China, as if we are a single big guy confronting you. It's a big country with lots of people, and there is a war going on here too.
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While I understand your frustration, please remember that it was your people that caused the crash back on Dec 5th out of FEAR of your government's actions.  And every time some silly rumor comes out about China halting Yuan deposits into Chinese bitcoin exchanges, again your people panic sell out of FEAR of your government's actions.  Yet again, time after time after time.  And because they know it works, your government will keep pulling that lever over and over until your people decide to stop being sheep.

So if native Chinese want the respect of those bitcoiners in other countries, then they need to earn it by:

1.  Stop panic selling every time your government or the PBOC sneezes or scratches its backside.
2.  Stop panic selling on false rumors of a ban, or even a true rumor of a ban.  China, nor any country, can "ban" bitcoin.
3.  Stop treating bitcoin as if it is just a "get rich quick game."
4.  Stand strong, be proud holders of bitcoin, put up a fight.
5.  Demand that Chinese merchants be allowed to transact in bitcoin.
6.  If all else fails, then foster a Chinese grey market for bitcoin (or black market if need be).
7.  Did I mention HODL!?!?

You are a very ignorant person. Chines are same as people in your country. Bitcoin is not an stock. If you treat bitcoin as a stock then don't blame other for your own stupidity.

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April 01, 2014, 01:20:07 AM
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I've been feeling despair. I see the price falling far before climbing...

I'm down by thousands and it is extremely difficult to watch the market in this current condition.

I've made a decision; I will not sell. If the price falls below $200 I will buy more to average down my cost. If I lose money after buying in at $200, I'll wait for $100 and buy again...

I don't know how much longer this fiat world economy can last so I don't keep fiat anymore...

Bitcoin is hurting bad right now. I wonder if this isn't just a scheme to grab market share...

This sucks.

   Don't worry about it- you have done the right thing. What we need more of here are people who are so convinced that using bitcoin is the right thing to do that they will still be buying sandwiches for bitcoin at any price. The more people like this we have, the higher it will go.

   My average buy in price was 120... I remember when it hit 60 I was feeling like you are. But I still don't care because it is flat out wrong to support the banking system any more than absolutely necessary- and it's not really ever necessary.

   A year from now maybe you will be consoling the newbs who foolishly bought in at 5k before the market crashed, and people will be saying bitcoin is dead and panic selling because prices are down to 1800...


  What bitcoin teaches us is that the value of something is ultimately determined by people's belief that it has value- so don't stop believing!
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April 01, 2014, 01:25:15 AM
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Bitcoin is serious business, so only serious countries need apply.  Wink

I have studied the cases you mentioned. In both the Oct 2013 case (when bitcoin rose from 130USD to 700 usd) and the very recent cases (since 27th April), the initial ice-breaking is by Chinese players, and the following month or week the world follows blindly. This is by simple observation of Chinese exchanges price changed first, and in a few days international exchanges changed further, making Chinese look conservative. So where are the "serious business" and "serious country" you are so proud of? There are serious people and fools in every country, if you tag a country, you create tension in your own camp. Bitcoin is a war against centralized power, not between countries.

Granted, people can still argue that Chinese are indeed both the victim of centralized power and enemy of decentralization movement, due to our unsurmountable fear towards government. But that doesn't change the game from 'people vs big power' to 'the world vs. China'.

My (old) column about Bitcoin & China: http://bitcoinblog.de/tag/zhangweiwuengl/
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April 01, 2014, 01:48:24 AM
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I assume Chinese arbitragers exert some pressure on the foreign exchanges, so they are not quite "following blindly," but are rather coerced by market forces.

That said, I agree with your main points.  When the government (in China, the US, wherever) talks bitcoin, then the price changes.  I do not think anyone would be complaining if that change was going upward.  Regardless, it is foolish and ignorant to blame Chinese citizens for this or previous crashes.  Anything on that list could apply to citizens of any country.
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April 01, 2014, 02:02:54 AM
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I've been feeling despair. I see the price falling far before climbing...

I'm down by thousands and it is extremely difficult to watch the market in this current condition.

I've made a decision; I will not sell. If the price falls below $200 I will buy more to average down my cost. If I lose money after buying in at $200, I'll wait for $100 and buy again...

I don't know how much longer this fiat world economy can last so I don't keep fiat anymore...

Bitcoin is hurting bad right now. I wonder if this isn't just a scheme to grab market share...

This sucks.

Don't know where you started buying, but this is quite a normal retraction for bitcoin. If it falls to 200, that would be unusual. Anything above 300 is quite normal and expected. In fact, throughout my 3 years of bitcoin trading, the best times to buy were the times when everybody felt despair and "bitcoin is done" was the main theme of these forums. So I grab them with both hands now, this won't last long.

So I grab them with both hands now, this won't last long.
He knows what is going on.
When the masses are selling, you should be Buying.

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April 01, 2014, 03:11:33 AM
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No one is using Bitcoin, get that straight into your heads...its hard to use and people are getting jacked...ooops sorry I meant 'hacked' left and right. At the end of the day, its inconvenient to use Bitcoin in daily life so its pump and dump!!

Happy HODLING to everyone!! :-)
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April 01, 2014, 04:16:52 AM
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Thus I asked, are we letting China, or more fundamentally, one country to dictate the value of Bitcoin? Should we be thankful to the Chinese for driving the price of Bitcoin up?  Remember, if they can drive the price up, they can drive the prices down, and that means having control. Isn't Bitcoin supposed to be decentralized, free of any authoritative control? apparently it seems the Chinese is in control of Bitcoin

This type of selfish I have seen enough in China, and it makes me feel like home seeing it on an Enlish forum.

Chinese people use Bitcoin because it gives them something they otherwise should beg from the government. You praise bitcoin for beinng decentralized, so Chinese government, a centralized power, should be out of the picture. Why should not Chinese people enjoy the same advantage? Why when you are trying to free yourself from your big powers, we should be slaves to ours? And when we (Chinese) fail at our foe, being victims of a centrlized power, you just ask us out of the picture together? WHY YOU THINK CHINESE ARE THE ENEMY of decentralization, when WE ARE THE VICTIM of centralization?

Stop externalize China by PERSONALIZING China, as if we are a single big guy confronting you. It's a big country with lots of people, and there is a war going on here too.

zhang, nothing personal against the Chinese, but they have the herd mentality. One person in China starts doing something, the rest follow en masse, sometimes without even knowing the purpose and reason of doing it. The fear of 'missing the boat' or 'if you're not doing it like the rest of us you're losing out' is so ingrained into the Chinese mind. And the Chinese are driven by wealth (I wouldn't go so far to say greed). Look at gold. Look at properties. All snapped up by the Chinese. And consequently bubbles for these markets are created due to irrational buying, fear, uncertainty and doubt, shaking up an otherwise stable market. If we were to want Bitcoin to be adopted and used as a future currency, we need to have price stability, if not it makes more sense to just hoard and hold, which is what I see the Chinese are doing now.
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April 01, 2014, 06:09:39 AM
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No one is using Bitcoin, get that straight into your heads...its hard to use and people are getting jacked...ooops sorry I meant 'hacked' left and right. At the end of the day, its inconvenient to use Bitcoin in daily life so its pump and dump!!

Happy HODLING to everyone!! :-)
Why are you here then? You'll get your coins stolen only if you don't take any precautions...
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April 01, 2014, 07:15:33 AM
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I assume Chinese arbitragers exert some pressure on the foreign exchanges, so they are not quite "following blindly," but are rather coerced by market forces.

a paltry point to make: I am a Chinese arbitrager (really, I have an arbitrage bot working fine, caused 100BTC lose when money was arbitraged into MtGox at the time of its downfall). What I was talking about is the arbitrage direction reversal shortly after Chinese crash or uproar.

My (old) column about Bitcoin & China: http://bitcoinblog.de/tag/zhangweiwuengl/
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April 01, 2014, 04:53:54 PM
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IT´S OFFICIAL - IT´s ON WALL STREET JOURNAL

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304157204579475233879506454

China's central bank has ordered the country's commercial banks and payment companies to close bitcoin trading accounts in two weeks, according to a chairman of the PBOC, dealing another blow to the virtual currency.

Bitcoin prices are down roughly 8% since the new rules were first reported in financial publication Caixin last week. The rules affect more than a dozen bitcoin exchanges, and are a further tightening of regulations the central bank put in place last year. The accounts must be shut down by April 15, the people said.

Authorities have kept an eye on bitcoin's expansion here as it poses a potential threat to financial stability and because it has attracted swarms of speculative retail investors looking for ways to make quick profits. China imposes strict capital and currency controls, but bitcoin, in theory, offers its holders a way to bypass those rules. Chinese demand for bitcoin soared late last year, contributing to a rise in global prices and attracting the attention of regulators.

Regulators are also concerned about the safety of bitcoin exchanges following the collapse of Japan's Mt. Gox exchange after most of the bitcoins it was holding were stolen.

The latest move by the People's Bank of China is a huge blow to the country's bitcoin exchanges, which have found their footing in the more than three months since Chinese authorities appeared to take measures clamping down on the industry. In December, the PBOC ordered financial institutions to stop dealing with bitcoin. Later that month, it made clear that third-party payment processors could not help exchanges collect money from users.

The earlier moves left Chinese bitcoin exchanges with the ability to take direct deposits into corporate bank accounts. In the subsequent months, trading volumes and prices rebounded, as investor confidence returned, in part due to relief that the government had not ruled out bitcoin completely. Some in the bitcoin community said it was actually a positive that the government had said people are free to buy bitcoin.

Making it clear that domestic banks cannot provide clearing, account opening and other services for bitcoin exchanges, however, leaves exchanges with significantly less room to maneuver.

"There will definitely be a negative impact to the exchanges," said Bobby Lee, chief executive of Shanghai-based BTC China, the most prominent Chinese exchange name abroad, having risen to briefly be the global leader by trading volume late last year. The latest move is a "stricter interpretation of the written rules" from the December statement, he added.

The exchange, he said, thought the December statement was "pretty relaxed" by comparison.

One of the people familiar with the latest directive said that the central bank does not intend to ban bitcoin trading in China, and said the move is to "enforce what was already said in the December document." That document had said bitcoin is not a currency with "real meaning" and does not have the same legal status as a currency, but that the public is free to buy and sell bitcoin online provided that they accept the risk.

BTC China and two other major bitcoin exchanges in China—OKCoin and Huobi—have all said they haven't gotten any official notice of a change from the central bank nor the banks that they have accounts with. A spokesman with BTC China said that the firm is trying to get clarity from the banks.

The three exchanges also said they haven't seen significant changes to their deposits yet, and that trading volumes have jumped in the last week due to bitcoin price volatility from the news.

OKCoin CEO Xu Mingxing said that if Chinese exchanges can't accept money into corporate accounts, they would likely have to incorporate themselves abroad and also move their servers overseas. BTC China's Mr. Lee said one option would be for customers to use cash to make deposits directly with BTC China.

It "comes down to how it's going to be enforced...we're going to try different things," said Mr. Lee.

Left on their own, bitcoin exchanges have thrived in China, given strong local demand in a country that doesn't offer many investment outlets. Exchanges here also don't need special licenses to operate, compared with other parts of the world, such as the U.S., where exchanges need licenses as money-transfer businesses.

Shanghai bitcoin consultancy Kapronasia estimates that there are roughly two dozen exchanges operating in China looking to benefit from strong local demand in a country with tight currency and capital controls.

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April 01, 2014, 04:55:55 PM
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april fool, if its true.... look at the flooding... more to come
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April 02, 2014, 04:09:51 AM
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Looks legit


 China just got silent on fiat leak.
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April 02, 2014, 05:25:31 AM
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its fake =.= bitcoinity... huobi and btcchina still trading.. WAKE up guys...
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April 02, 2014, 05:36:14 AM
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After reading few msgs from exchanges this is complete bullshit stop panicking...none of the chinese exchanges got message about bitcoin beign banned anythime soon.
WAKE UP!
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April 02, 2014, 06:47:40 AM
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OP is such a loser  Roll Eyes
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April 02, 2014, 06:52:37 AM
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There is lot of fake rumors not even a single legit news.
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April 03, 2014, 04:40:26 AM
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China's buying a lot again...
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April 03, 2014, 06:57:08 AM
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After reading few msgs from exchanges this is complete bullshit stop panicking...none of the chinese exchanges got message about bitcoin beign banned anythime soon.
WAKE UP!

Many said OP is a fool. I won't argue in his favor but the media he quoted ("Caixin") is a reliable one. Today 2 exchanges announced that they indeed are informed of the ban, and they are among the 5 biggest in China: OKcoin and FxBTC.

It takes some courage to insist on truth when everyone shout "Stop the FUD" at you face.

My (old) column about Bitcoin & China: http://bitcoinblog.de/tag/zhangweiwuengl/
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April 03, 2014, 07:57:16 AM
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After reading few msgs from exchanges this is complete bullshit stop panicking...none of the chinese exchanges got message about bitcoin beign banned anythime soon.
WAKE UP!

Many said OP is a fool. I won't argue in his favor but the media he quoted ("Caixin") is a reliable one. Today 2 exchanges announced that they indeed are informed of the ban, and they are among the 5 biggest in China: OKcoin and FxBTC.

It takes some courage to insist on truth when everyone shout "Stop the FUD" at you face.
Any source please?
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