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July 21, 2022, 05:03:52 PM
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The answer of this question is very simple.

If you're able to trade Bitcoin for anything else of certain value, then the value of Bitcoin is exactly that.

One thing I've come to learn from the conversations on this thread is to distinguish between value and price. Value is qualitative and price is quantitative.

Something is of value if it enhances the life of the valuer in some way. Water, for example, is of value to human life. We need to consume it at least every 3 days to survive (in hot climate the time period is shorter).

Something should be assigned a price ONLY if it is of value to your life. The price reflects the cost to acquire that thing from someone else and/or the existence of alternatives. So in a place where there are a variety of places to get water, then the price of water will be low. However, in a place where water is scarce, then the price will be high. The fact that the price is high doesn't mean water is more valuable, and the fact that the price is low doesn't mean that value has decline. It just means the costs to acquire it from someone else has change. The value (i.e., needing to consume it every 3 days to survive) remains the same.

Now, people can be mistaken or defrauded into thinking that something is a value when in fact it does not. And so they can be mistaken or defrauded into assigning a price to it when they shouldn't. This is why relying on the fact that others have assigned a price to something as a determinant on whether it is a value or not is not a good methodology to operate from.
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July 21, 2022, 07:39:01 PM
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The answer of this question is very simple.

If you're able to trade Bitcoin for anything else of certain value, then the value of Bitcoin is exactly that.

One thing I've come to learn from the conversations on this thread is to distinguish between value and price. Value is qualitative and price is quantitative.

Something is of value if it enhances the life of the valuer in some way. Water, for example, is of value to human life. We need to consume it at least every 3 days to survive (in hot climate the time period is shorter).

Something should be assigned a price ONLY if it is of value to your life. The price reflects the cost to acquire that thing from someone else and/or the existence of alternatives. So in a place where there are a variety of places to get water, then the price of water will be low. However, in a place where water is scarce, then the price will be high. The fact that the price is high doesn't mean water is more valuable, and the fact that the price is low doesn't mean that value has decline. It just means the costs to acquire it from someone else has change. The value (i.e., needing to consume it every 3 days to survive) remains the same.

Now, people can be mistaken or defrauded into thinking that something is a value when in fact it does not. And so they can be mistaken or defrauded into assigning a price to it when they shouldn't. This is why relying on the fact that others have assigned a price to something as a determinant on whether it is a value or not is not a good methodology to operate from.

Oxygen is very valuable for human life, but the price is free.

It's not always the case that something very valuable is very expensive.

Also value depends on the individual and the area they live

Some people value different things differently, and so on.

Basically there's no single price for something. Every person at different times value everything at different prices.

The markets try to get close to that real value with estimates, and people react accordingly.

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July 21, 2022, 07:40:40 PM
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Something should be assigned a price ONLY if it is of value to your life.

What about all the things people buy to show off? These things add value to some people's lives because having them and being able to display them makes them feel better. They like to see the envy in other people's eyes, but these things are not vital to our lives. They don't make our lives better in any other way than by allowing us to feel better. Shouldn't these things have price?
IMO everything that has demand should have price.

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July 21, 2022, 08:30:16 PM
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Something should be assigned a price ONLY if it is of value to your life.

What about all the things people buy to show off? These things add value to some people's lives because having them and being able to display them makes them feel better. They like to see the envy in other people's eyes, but these things are not vital to our lives. They don't make our lives better in any other way than by allowing us to feel better. Shouldn't these things have price?
IMO everything that has demand should have price.

People can be mistaken in holding an internal standard that their self-worth is dependent on the evaluation of others. Like I said, people can be mistaken or defrauded about values.
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July 21, 2022, 08:39:01 PM
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Oxygen is very valuable for human life, but the price is free.

It's not always the case that something very valuable is very expensive.

Also value depends on the individual and the area they live

Some people value different things differently, and so on.

Basically there's no single price for something. Every person at different times value everything at different prices.

The markets try to get close to that real value with estimates, and people react accordingly.

I agree, except I see you possibly equivocating between value and price with your "Every person at different times value everything at different prices." A version of this that does not suggests equivocation is "Every person at different times are willing to pay different prices for what they think is a value."

The other thing I would add to what you wrote is "The market can be mistaken or defrauded about both price and value." This is why some people used to (and many still do) pay a "price" for the "value" of snake oil.

An independent person will perform his own analysis to determine both whether something is a value (by figuring out the why) and, once it's determined to be a value, whether the price is a fair one. At least for the major purchases in his life and just rely on existing pricing mechanisms (e.g., Amazon, Best Buy) for the little things.
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July 21, 2022, 10:53:41 PM
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Bitcoin does not have a real values which people can stamped at that without this particular volume bitcoin will be crash on the planet Earth but it is not like that because it's not centralised currency and looking at Bitcoin bitcoin is decentralized currency which it cannot be regulated by anyone or it volume in the market, so therefore Bitcoin value is spherical, because it have more specific base from the value and the value is a rotational value.
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August 09, 2022, 01:52:19 AM
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I think the value of bitcoin is whether people really trust bitcoin, some people just like bitcoin, and some people don't know or even know what bitcoin is.
As much as I love Bitcoin, then there is value to me.
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