A poker website, but with chess/checkers/backgammon?

[NotATether]

I think there are a ton of crypto casinos that offer multiplayer poker - the most famous casino being SWC Poker. But has anyone thought about making as casino that only has multi-player board games?

These would be identical to their Free-to-play counterparts, with the exception that if you win a game, you get the other person's (fixed) wager, and vice versa. Obviously, the stake would have to be the same for all players, but each player can agree to make all their stakes larger or smaller.

It would provide a more refreshing alternative to swipe-your-coins-from-your-nose Slots games.

[jackg]

A question like this kinda concerns me because it can be botted much better than humans can play it - obviously it's less fun but there's an incentive to do it then.

If you have leagues or ranks (like the free to play games do) then it'll probably be better too but there's still the chance you're playing against a bot and could have your wager taken in too many games. You'd probably be surprised what people run bots on these days I've seen it be run on mmo games where a bot looks like it'd be difficult to code.

I think I remember gambit having a few board game style games (back in 2015) - they used to accept bitcoin but had licensing problems (I think I'm remembering the name right).

[acroman08]

A question like this kinda concerns me because it can be botted much better than humans can play it - obviously it's less fun but there's an incentive to do it then.

this is one of my concerns too, it reminds me of people that got banned on chess.com for using AI against their opponent to win matches to increase their rank. my second concern is how many players will play it on the website, waiting for an opponent for a long time is frustrating and would take all the fun away from playing it.

[tokeweed]

I think there are a ton of crypto casinos that offer multiplayer poker - the most famous casino being SWC Poker. But has anyone thought about making as casino that only has multi-player board games?

These would be identical to their Free-to-play counterparts, with the exception that if you win a game, you get the other person's (fixed) wager, and vice versa. Obviously, the stake would have to be the same for all players, but each player can agree to make all their stakes larger or smaller.

It would provide a more refreshing alternative to swipe-your-coins-from-your-nose Slots games.

I would discourage you from playing chess, checkers or backgammon online for real money.  Those games are mostly 'solved' and you'd just be playing against botters.  Might as well give them your money.  Even poker is as close to being 'solved' with all the GTO solvers floating around the internet.

Anyway, maybe they should just encourage botting in their sites and have bot vs bot tourneys.  That at least could be beneficial for AI research.

[NotATether]

A question like this kinda concerns me because it can be botted much better than humans can play it - obviously it's less fun but there's an incentive to do it then.

this is one of my concerns too, it reminds me of people that got banned on chess.com for using AI against their opponent to win matches to increase their rank. my second concern is how many players will play it on the website, waiting for an opponent for a long time is frustrating and would take all the fun away from playing it.

Guys, I am not talking about humans playing against bots - I know that it would be a totally boring experience. I'm talking about two people playing against each other. Possibly more people in the case of 4-player games e.g. hearts, spades.

In SWC Poker you don't play poker against bots, you join a "room" where there are a bunch of other people playing. That's the kind of business model I'm talking about.

We could ban people who attempt to use bots on our sites (of course this comes with all the baggage associated with confiscating winnings/money, but I'll save that for a different topic).

[IIrik11]

forget about board games, even online poker is rigged.

every where u go, u will find house-players employed by casinos.

whose only job is to team up against players and make them loose.

[Boristhecat]

Guys, I am not talking about humans playing against bots - I know that it would be a totally boring experience. I'm talking about two people playing against each other. Possibly more people in the case of 4-player games e.g. hearts, spades.

In SWC Poker you don't play poker against bots, you join a "room" where there are a bunch of other people playing. That's the kind of business model I'm talking about.

We could ban people who attempt to use bots on our sites (of course this comes with all the baggage associated with confiscating winnings/money, but I'll save that for a different topic).

Wherever there are cash prizes (or cash games) there will be cheaters. Given that almost all board games are already an easy task for computer programs, your idea will face the fact that players will use computer prompts. How are you going to solve this problem? Even such monsters of the industry as chess.com have been developing a system for combating cheaters for many years and it is still not perfect.

[FatFork]

It sounds like a great idea and it would be pretty interesting to see something like this. All of these games are relatively complex, and there is a lot that could be done in terms of multiplayer dynamics and tournament structure. In short, the idea sounds like it could be a lot of fun, and might even prove to be profitable for a venture capitalist looking for a unique new business idea. The problem is, though, that with modern computers able to analyze where the game will go through ten or more moves ahead, most of these games have been "solved". In other words, the computers have found the optimal pattern of play and know if they can win 99% of the time. So even if you were playing against another human, his best course of action would be to play according to what the computer would do anyway, because those games are all predictable. People want to gamble on casino games like poker that have an element of chance and unpredictability.

[Sandra_hakeem]

That'll be alot of fun and it wouldn't have much difference with the original way though. Only that everyone Will be much aware that their wager goes to a particular user (that's when they loose). The big question here is: won't these development break the rules of pseudonymity; as the stackers have to be paired together -- say five of them --? isn't it a chance that anyone could view, text or manipulate through a person's profile?
Just curious anyways......

[Fortify]

I think there are a ton of crypto casinos that offer multiplayer poker - the most famous casino being SWC Poker. But has anyone thought about making as casino that only has multi-player board games?

These would be identical to their Free-to-play counterparts, with the exception that if you win a game, you get the other person's (fixed) wager, and vice versa. Obviously, the stake would have to be the same for all players, but each player can agree to make all their stakes larger or smaller.

It would provide a more refreshing alternative to swipe-your-coins-from-your-nose Slots games.

While it would be great for a crypto casino to offer these type of games, with certain ones like Chess there are automated computers out there which can play them perfectly and could potentially dominate opponents. Chess games could potentially drag on for a long time as money is involved and I'm simply not sure there is a wide enough player base. It involves only two players, whereas Poker commonly has up to 9 people per table which helps to keep things interesting, along with the strategy of bluffing which adds an element of a wildcard into the mix. There is also not an established way for the house to earn money in these other games, unlike the rake which is common accepted by players as part of the process.

[coolcoinz]

Depends on a board game, but there's a reason why casinos don't make the most popular game in the world (chess) available. Chess computers are so good that it's almost impossible to win against them and people were found cheating on live tournaments with their phones or having a headphone in one ear. Having a computer think for you is almost unbeatable because it can foresee a number of moves in a second.

Board games where you throw the dice like you do in monopoly could work though, but those are long games. What if a player gets disconnected 20 minutes in? In Poker when you disconnect you lose one hand. In a long board game you can lose all progress that you've made in an hour or so.

[madnessteat]

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I absolutely agree with you. To control the fairness of the game of online chess is almost unreal, which means that the participants will use an artificial intelligence against which it makes no sense to play a human, let alone for money. It seems to me that such an idea would boil down to the fact that the game of chess will play a machine against a machine.

[KTChampions]

I absolutely agree with you. To control the fairness of the game of online chess is almost unreal, which means that the participants will use an artificial intelligence against which it makes no sense to play a human, let alone for money. It seems to me that such an idea would boil down to the fact that the game of chess will play a machine against a machine.

The sad reality of today is either to play games of luck where nothing depends on you, or to play games where any cheater can beat you like a child 
By the way, for games like Dota, bots have already been made that played at the level of professional players, I think if there were an economic benefit in the existence of such bots, they would have flooded all the servers.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Depends on a board game, but there's a reason why casinos don't make the most popular game in the world (chess) available. Chess computers are so good that it's almost impossible to win against them and people were found cheating on live tournaments with their phones or having a headphone in one ear. Having a computer think for you is almost unbeatable because it can foresee a number of moves in a second.

Board games where you throw the dice like you do in monopoly could work though, but those are long games. What if a player gets disconnected 20 minutes in? In Poker when you disconnect you lose one hand. In a long board game you can lose all progress that you've made in an hour or so.

Yes, it is a good question, in these cases there should be a type of protection for the player, if it is determined that he was actually disconnected, then there should be a reasonable time to be able to return again where his game becomes invisible and does not affect or his game nor that of others, then if he does not return in a reasonable time, then a fee will have to be deducted for such a fault, since it is considered an abandonment, and not everyone must pay for it, and if he returns, apart from being charged that, the penalty would be to start in another game, since if he enters the same game he might have an advantage over others, then many players would do the disconnect trick and then re-enter.