Situation in france problem

[Shortmaster]

Situation in france not good now i hope it don't go over nice area like st tropez Cannes the french riviera wich one is always safe and nice location to be.

Anyways the situation in france shows exacly that people have enough the unjustice making people mad.
The situation in france can spread quickly alll over other countries Also becouse people stand up against rulers.

[Wiwo]

Situation in france not good now i hope it don't go over nice area like st tropez Cannes the french riviera wich one is always safe and nice location to be.

Anyways the situation in france shows exacly that people have enough the unjustice making people mad.
The situation in france can spread quickly alll over other countries Also becouse people stand up against rulers.

Hey,  I guess it will do us a lot of good if you always include a link to direct us to original and verifiable such of information because not everyone in the forum is from France or following up with events as it happening in France.

Of course, citizens will at a point get fed up with bad governance and at a point, it could result in civil unrest and possibly escalate into a full flag war or crisis just as it has happened in many countries before until there is a change of government or the system.

France is a well-developed country that its government suppose to have legitimacy and not a revote in this nature.

[PX-Z]

Those riots were violent already while more and more were arrested. Some of those rioters probably just go there to lunge there agenda besides of the root cause of the protest. While on the other hand the victim's family are quiet and calm waiting the investigations to finish.

[Gyfts]

France is experiencing their "George Floyd" moment of civil unrest. This is not a case of revolutionaries standing up against their rulers, only a case of left wing radicals raising racial tensions by capitalizing on an OIS involving a black kid. Law enforcement in France rarely are involved in shootings, so you will have to have commited a particularly heinous offense to be shot by European law enforcement. Looks like a person using his vehicle as a weapon is what prompted the shooting, an entirely justified use of force under that premise. Hasn't stopped rioters from destroying property and brutalizing law enforcement.

Macron looks particularly weak in this situation too. Last reports I've read is he's sent some tens of thousands of agents into Paris to restore order. But that's only after rioting has peaked.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

I think the riots have a lot to do with the fact that the inhabitants of France who come from France Afrique, even if they are second or third generation, still resent the barbarities France did in Africa during colonialism, and in the case of the Muslims, who are the majority, they do not integrate into the Western way of life.

The case of the dead boy is of a 17 year old who had no driving licence, with a record for minor offences, including drug trafficking, and who was driving a top of the range Mercedes, on the run in the wrong lane.  As the previous colleague said, the police in Europe do not shoot as easily as those in the US, far from it. I don't justify the death though. Justice will have to look into the case and give a verdict accordingly.

The fact is that he was no angel and this has been taken advantage of by various movements to launch protests in the streets, which in many cases have involved looting and burning cars and street furniture.

[Die_empty]

Situation in france not good now i hope it don't go over nice area like st tropez Cannes the french riviera wich one is always safe and nice location to be.

Anyways the situation in france shows exacly that people have enough the unjustice making people mad.
The situation in france can spread quickly alll over other countries Also becouse people stand up against rulers.

Apart from a few cases where most of these police officers act based on racial discrimination most of the cause of these killings is just simple disobedience. George Floyd wouldn't have had an altercation with police if he had willfully followed their instruction, even if it was clear that he did nothing wrong. Nahel M, the 17years old that was murdered would have been alive if he didn't drive recklessly and disobeyed the instruction of the police officer. There was no need to try to run away if you have nothing to hide. These police officers are humans and can make mistakes.

Law enforcement in France rarely are involved in shootings, so you will have to have commited a particularly heinous offense to be shot by European law enforcement. Looks like a person using his vehicle as a weapon is what prompted the shooting, an entirely justified use of force under that premise. Hasn't stopped rioters from destroying property and brutalizing law enforcement. .

European police officers are indeed far better than their US counterparts in terms of dealing with immigrants. But there has been an increase in the killing of low-income immigrants and just this year about 13 people have been killed in the same manner. One of the reasons for the increase in this riot was lies. The police officer lied that he was in danger that was why he shot the younger boy. But when the videos was released it was clear that the boy didn't pose any danger to them or others around. Even the police authority confirmed that the legal standard for him to use a firearm had not been met, so he acted against the law.

Criminals will always use a just course to carry out their wicked activities. There is no need for the destruction and looting going on in France. This protest would have been peaceful. But sometimes it seems the only language that some politicians understand especially in my location is violence. They don't give attention to peaceful demonstrations, but this shouldnt be the reason for violence. A peaceful demonstration is an ideal medium to show displeasure.

[be.open]

The current situation in France seems normal. I mean, it's certainly not normal when people burn cars and rob shops in broad daylight, but in France it's quite normal. They are always dissatisfied with something there, and they are used to expressing their dissatisfaction with rather radical methods. The difference between the current outbreak of protest and the previous one (about raising the retirement age) is only that the previous outbreak of protest was deliberately hushed up by the world media, and the current outbreak of protest is also deliberately promoted by the world media, and so these are typical protest outbreaks in France that are approximately the same in intensity.

[BADecker]

This article is quite interesting. One thing that it shows is that a country that is not allowed to have guns for anything other than hunting, is a country that is already a slave to their leaders. "Police had made a further 1,300 arrests by early this morning after four nights of chaos as Macron appeared increasingly powerless."


FRANCE IN FLAMES: France riots see gunman open fire and weapons looted as Macron cancels Germany trip and 1,300 arrested while cities burn


https://www.the-sun.com/news/8500725/france-riots-protests-police-arrests-paris-macron/
A mob was also reported to have grabbed hunting rifles as they looted a gun shop on on Friday night.

Police armoured cars and heavily armed paramilitary units were moving to confront gangs cutting a swathe of devastation across the nation.

But street strife is expected to escalate further following today's funeral of Nahel Merzouk - the 17-year-old whose shooting at the wheel of his car triggered the crisis.

Tension soared as thousands of mourners thronged the Muslim service for the French Algerian youth said to have been "executed" by a single shot on Tuesday.

An Interior Ministry source said: "France has not seen nationwide unrest on this scale since World War II - it is out of control."

Anti-police fury spiralled further as a leaked police intelligence report today said: "We are at war with savage hordes of vermin."

Police had made a further 1,300 arrests by early this morning after four nights of chaos as Macron appeared increasingly powerless.
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[swogerino]

Situation in france not good now i hope it don't go over nice area like st tropez Cannes the french riviera wich one is always safe and nice location to be.

Anyways the situation in france shows exacly that people have enough the unjustice making people mad.
The situation in france can spread quickly alll over other countries Also becouse people stand up against rulers.

I like France only because there justice is served,I am sure in many other European countries people will be not that ready to protest,they will say that as long as I am not directly concerned why should I care to go and protest and that is plain wrong because next can be them if they don't protest.In France it looks like people know this very well and exactly because of this they rush and rage in protests and that is the correct behavior,the police cannot just kill a 17 year old just because he tried to get away with his car,they could have arrested him without problems and beside it he was not dangerous for police life,therefore I fully support the protest and the rage of protesters in France (except I don't like innocent people to be burn their car for this,they should burn government offices).

[Hispo]

It is quite ironic what is going on in France, considering Macron had a quite high popularity back in the day, shortly after he got elected.

Perhaps he got it easier since his opponent or political foe was rather an extremist, I recall she wanted France to also abandon the European Union and the Euro as currency. People voted against an authoritarian person and still, in the end, they got what they were trying to avoid: a leader who tries to go over the will of the people.

This also reminds me what happens in Israel, There was also some civil unrest there, for about the same reasons.

[DeathAngel]

I think Macron relaxed immigration rules too much. France has fallen, the lawlessness is widespread & it does all seem to be a certain demographic. What I would say is that there is an open investigation into the death of the 17 year old boy. If the police acted in an illegal or unjust way then those responsible should be punished to the full extent of the law. The looting, vandalism, robbery & violence is inexcusable though, the young boy did not die for youths to rob Apple stores & designer clothes & handbag stores as I saw on the news. France needs to pull itself together fast before it gets even more out of control.

[Wiwo]

The current situation in France seems normal. I mean, it's certainly not normal when people burn cars and rob shops in broad daylight, but in France it's quite normal. They are always dissatisfied with something there, and they are used to expressing their dissatisfaction with rather radical methods. The difference between the current outbreak of protest and the previous one (about raising the retirement age) is only that the previous outbreak of protest was deliberately hushed up by the world media, and the current outbreak of protest is also deliberately promoted by the world media, and so these are typical protest outbreaks in France that are approximately the same in intensity.

Violent is never a way to express dissatisfaction because the outcome is always devastating at the end,  like the present situation in French should have been handled in a more civil ways instead reacting with violent protests all over the place that has led to the loss of life and properties in all quarter.

Sometimes the police could act a little bit overboard but hey there is the law and what the citizen could do is just to play and avoid getting into trouble.

[LTU_btc]

I think the riots have a lot to do with the fact that the inhabitants of France who come from France Afrique, even if they are second or third generation, still resent the barbarities France did in Africa during colonialism, and in the case of the Muslims, who are the majority, they do not integrate into the Western way of life.

The case of the dead boy is of a 17 year old who had no driving licence, with a record for minor offences, including drug trafficking, and who was driving a top of the range Mercedes, on the run in the wrong lane.  As the previous colleague said, the police in Europe do not shoot as easily as those in the US, far from it. I don't justify the death though. Justice will have to look into the case and give a verdict accordingly.

The fact is that he was no angel and this has been taken advantage of by various movements to launch protests in the streets, which in many cases have involved looting and burning cars and street furniture.

Since when drug trafficking become minor offence? I'm not trying to justify what police did, but that guy was criminal, not some innocent kid. It's not good what happened, but it's likely that it could have ended much worse. What if he would have crashed into other car or pedestrians while running from police?

I think Macron relaxed immigration rules too much. France has fallen, the lawlessness is widespread & it does all seem to be a certain demographic. What I would say is that there is an open investigation into the death of the 17 year old boy. If the police acted in an illegal or unjust way then those responsible should be punished to the full extent of the law. The looting, vandalism, robbery & violence is inexcusable though, the young boy did not die for youths to rob Apple stores & designer clothes & handbag stores as I saw on the news. France needs to pull itself together fast before it gets even more out of control.

It's not mainly Macron's fault, it happned before he become president and it's problem in almost whole Western Europe in general. Most of responsibility goes to Merkel & co and their open doors policy in Europe. But yeah, Macron looks very weak during this crisis. Anyway, these things can't affect him much as in France president can't be elected for 3rd time.

[yhiaali3]

Problems are everywhere in the world and France is not far from them.
Wherever there is injustice, there will always be people who stand against it. The bad economic conditions spread around the world also increase tensions, so it is the duty of governments to provide support to citizens to relieve tension.

[Bureau]

It seems riots in Europe have become common in these times. I remember somewhat similar situation happened when FIFA world cup was happening. France & Belgium were affected with same kind of looting & routing. This time it was big and in future there may be many more. The government in these countries should come up with some strict laws against rioters.

[paid2]

The current situation in France seems normal. I mean, it's certainly not normal when people burn cars and rob shops in broad daylight, but in France it's quite normal. They are always dissatisfied with something there, and they are used to expressing their dissatisfaction with rather radical methods. The difference between the current outbreak of protest and the previous one (about raising the retirement age) is only that the previous outbreak of protest was deliberately hushed up by the world media, and the current outbreak of protest is also deliberately promoted by the world media, and so these are typical protest outbreaks in France that are approximately the same in intensity.

The last time such riots took place was in 2005 under Sarkozy when the "Contrat Première embauche" law was proposed. The former governement canceled the law proposition thanks to the riots, and situation became ok quickly. Macron is not Sarkozy, and the recent ''Reforme des retraites'' proved that he refuses to cancel any law proposition, on the contrary, he even use 49,3 to make it going faster.

In France, mass demonstrations, more or less violent (like the ones you mention on the subject of pensions) are considered normal, but riots are not considered normal by anyone in the country.

Here we have people robbing gun shops, burning schools, fighting with random people in the street, the government sending in the GIGN, the BRI, the RAID in certain cities (Lyon, Lille, Paris). Citizens' militias are starting to organize themselves, and that's a bad sign for the health of our society.
What's really worrying is that the police unions are starting to communicate in dubious ways.
No, the situation isn't classic, even for the French people. I think it'll calm down, as it always does, but we're all aware that each riot becomes more violent than the last. We all know that every major demonstration is more violently repressed than the last.

These riots are just a reflection of the fact that our French society has reached the end of its patience on two specific issues: police' violence on the one hand, and immigration seen as virulent by some of the French on the other. What worries all the compatriots I talk to is the never-ending rise of this respective violence (police as well as demonstrators / rioters).

Situation in france not good now i hope it don't go over nice area like st tropez Cannes the french riviera wich one is always safe and nice location to be.

Don't worry, rich people and tourists are not the one who will burn everything in France lol