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August 08, 2023, 11:12:04 AM
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That's correct, what you did. Bitcoin Investment is particular, presenting control and security. Your recommendation to your friends become spot on. It's not a opposition; every body's financial state of affairs is exclusive. Set huge desires however make investments at your tempo. Keep balance, prioritize wishes, and stay knowledgeable. Sharing knowledge is empowering.

Also as others mentioned, this is true for any investment you do in life.
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August 08, 2023, 12:54:02 PM
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I happened to come across a few friends who were arguing among themselves about who could get the most out of Bitcoin for themselves, no matter what the cost. One said that he must accumulate up to 1 Bitcoin in a year, and the other said that if his fellow friend is able to accumulate one Bitcoin in a year, then he will make sure he accumulates two or three Bitcoin in that one year, the third person said he will accumulate more than 5 Bitcoin in a year, so as the fourth person. In their argument, they made Bitcoin investment look like a kind of competition where one person has to take first position (probably win a trophy 🥇🏆) against the other no matter what the situation.

On hearing all the arguments, I just had to engage in a brief discussion with them by telling them not to be agitated with Bitcoin investment but rather that it should be something done at ease and in one's own best financial time.
The profit one may get from Bitcoin investment is a product of two things, first, the amount of capital invested" and second, an individual's trading skill, apart from that, the last option could be a constant accumulation of BTC, which I guess that's not what the people O.P encountered meant, as maybe they saw BTC as gambling or a Get Rich Quick scheme where they could invest x amount of money today and expect to get x2 in next 1week or months. Because with this scenario now, clearly shows that there are a lot of people out there who still don't know what Bitcoin is all about, and that's our duty as members of this forum to educate them in times of need such as this.

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August 08, 2023, 01:12:29 PM
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We are proud of investing in Bitcoin, but we can never say that it will definitely yield more profit or success in the future. When we talk about investment, there's always an inherent risk involved. What we are betting on here are its chances to grow in the future, which could be influenced by a multitude of factors. More good news might lead to success, but what if the situation turns the other way around? That could certainly result in failure.

That's why it's never guaranteed to be profitable, and we should never convince someone to invest in Bitcoin solely based on its potential for profit. It's essential to discuss the risks as well, so investors are well-informed that there's risk to manage. Once they understand the risks and potential rewards, they can make a responsible decision and won't blame anyone if their journey doesn't go as planned.

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August 08, 2023, 01:33:23 PM
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I happened to come across a few friends who were arguing among themselves about who could get the most out of Bitcoin for themselves, no matter what the cost. One said that he must accumulate up to 1 Bitcoin in a year, and the other said that if his fellow friend is able to accumulate one Bitcoin in a year, then he will make sure he accumulates two or three Bitcoin in that one year, the third person said he will accumulate more than 5 Bitcoin in a year, so as the fourth person. In their argument, they made Bitcoin investment look like a kind of competition where one person has to take first position (probably win a trophy 🥇🏆) against the other no matter what the situation.

To me, this story seems like it's about children competing to see who will jump further or who will climb the tallest tree, or in the case of rich people competing to have a bigger yacht or villa with a bigger pool, which definitely makes more sense to me then people competing to buy more Bitcoin. It would be logical for them not to discuss such things at all for their personal and family safety, because such information often reaches bad people, and if you keep so much value in your house, you become a target.

Really, it's not bad to have a big vision about the amount of Bitcoin one wants to accumulate. Someone can have the desire and vision to accumulate three bitcoins within a space of two or three years, but it shouldn't be something that they feel obliged to do due to the influence of other persons. Bitcoin investment should not be done in such a way that you have to let go of your own physical needs, shot down your business, or quit your job and invest your entire salary.

Every obsession is bad if it can't be controlled at least to some extent, because why even set goals that are almost impossible to achieve? Most people today cannot afford to own even 1 BTC even for a period of several years, but that is no reason not to practice DCA and maybe one day achieve their goal. But all those who have had a goal in the past know very well that with each fulfillment of that goal, we set a new goal for ourselves, and we try to set new challenges all our lives.

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August 09, 2023, 07:17:21 AM
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But when it comes to money we are often deal with different starting positions people have. How can we compare the number of bitcoins two people have when, for example, one initially had the capital to acquire them, and the other put aside several years from his salary? It's like having a competition between an athlete and a man with a broken leg. This does not lead to anything but psychological problems and low self-esteem, since the conditions are not equal from the very beginning.
We don't know what's the financial situation of that group of friends. Perhaps there are significant differences between them or each individual is earning a lot already. Obviously, if you can't play the game, be responsible and don't do it. It's like with anything related to gambling. If the stakes are too high for you, call it a day and walk away.

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August 09, 2023, 11:31:52 AM
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But when it comes to money we are often deal with different starting positions people have. How can we compare the number of bitcoins two people have when, for example, one initially had the capital to acquire them, and the other put aside several years from his salary? It's like having a competition between an athlete and a man with a broken leg. This does not lead to anything but psychological problems and low self-esteem, since the conditions are not equal from the very beginning.
We don't know what's the financial situation of that group of friends. Perhaps there are significant differences between them or each individual is earning a lot already. Obviously, if you can't play the game, be responsible and don't do it. It's like with anything related to gambling. If the stakes are too high for you, call it a day and walk away.

I would not compare such competition like OP described with gambling. Because gambling is more about beating the game itself, while earning and accumulation bitcoin in OP`s example is about winning against other players and bypass them, showing your advantage. And it is precisely with this advantage that problems arise. Since some of the players could have it initially, and not arise during the "game", which makes such a win not entirely fair.

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August 09, 2023, 11:55:25 AM
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There is the kind of competition that is healthy that can motivate you to make better financial decisions, there is also the unsafe kind of competition that can lead to jealousy. Competition about accumulation of bitcoins is dangerous, because in the process of trying to compete with someone, you make it known to people that you are accumulating bitcoins, so they know exactly what to steal from you, that puts you in danger. Bitcoin accumulation is something that should be done privately.

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August 09, 2023, 12:17:27 PM
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Bitcoin accumulation should be done at ease, in a way that it doesn't have any phycological effect on the investor, or in a way that you are not always in a haste to sell your coins because of every arising need. While investing in Bitcoin, it's wise to keep some fiat for one's personal needs and budget.

that's a good suggestion for your friends and maybe all the members in this forum. it doesn't matter when they have a big vision for the future, but they have to measure their ability to invest assets. like they allocate their free funds every payday from work, just do it regularly and it will make Bitcoin accumulation continue to grow without any pressure from competition. do it regularly and at the end of the year they can see the most accumulation they have accumulated without competition. without even hurting them financially.

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August 09, 2023, 09:24:52 PM
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As long as they are not entering into debt but are rather looking for more ways they can earn, then that's healthy competition.

N.B, majority of these stories which have the same theme just seem made up.


Well, you can say it's a made up story, but if it was, then do you think there would be any reason for me to play around here with just fabricated stories, like a joker or some sort of storyteller?


The argument I met that day was not a healthy one; at least I could tell the difference between a healthy investment conversation between mature minds and a conversation lacking some proper knowledge. Imagine someone saying he can get up to 3–5 bitcoins in two years, despite that their yearly income is not up to $15k. How else can the person be able to accumulate five bitcoins in three years? By the way, two of those guys are just traders; it's not even as if they are all into a job that is paying them a huge salary every month.

Not bad but I think, becoming a true Bitcoiner isn't about accumulating a certain quantity of Bitcoin for the sake of bragging rights, rather, it's about embracing the underlying philosophy and principles of decentralized finance and being a part of the global crypto community.  To avoid being left out, individuals should focus on educating themselves about Bitcoin and its long-term potential, rather than indulging in unhealthy competition

Exactly. Imagine, for example, that someone tells you that they want to accumulate up to 10 Bitcoins before the year runs out, and someone else opposes the person and tells you that if someone like him can accumulate 10 bitcoins in a year, then he will accumulate 20 bitcoins at all costs even though his yearly income is not even close to $15k. Then how can he be able to achieve what he has said? Unless he takes a loan to fulfil his desires.

Damn, the supposed friends of the OP have money to compete to see who can buy more whole Bitcoins.

When you improve your financial situation, do it within your means and don't compare yourself to others who are much better off than you, because if you want to get where they are you're probably going to try too fast and with too many risks, which will probably leave you worse off than when you started

At first, I thought it was just some very rich dudes, but come on, after I join the discussion, I only realise that not even all of them can be able to accumulate like 1 Bitcoin in a year. They were just in a bragging argument, with each claiming to be doing better than the other person. while in reality, no one can even buy 2 Bitcoin even in a year.


You are very correct, @Poker Player.

But the problem I am viewing here is that I hope they are not taking loans for this competition.
Some people can do anything to show off to their friends, especially now that they are competing to accumulate the most Bitcoin within a certain period of time.

Although it's a good thing to hear such news if they are capable of doing the competition with the money they can afford to lose and if they will be holding the Bitcoin for long and not just to accumulate it and sell it immediately after the argument.

It would have been a good one if it was really a good one, and maybe it would not have even triggered me to join that conversation. Talk more about having to discuss it here.


Imagine when someone says they will make sure they get something at all costs or by any means. To me, it means that even if it cost any of them to collect loans just to make sure that they accumulate more than their openennt, they would do so, and taking a loan to invest in Bitcoin is not a wise decision. I was even Wondering, What if they close down their business and use all the money to invest in Bitcoin, just for the sake of proving that they can accumulate more Bitcoin than the other person?

Such a competition among friends isn't necessarily a bad thing if it eventually leads to more people adopting bitcoin and understanding the benefits it gives them.

If can become unhealthy if you make dangerous financial decisions just to win and do better than your friends. Challenging your peers is completely fine. If you grew up with a brother or sister, you will remember that you always competed against each other, regardless if it was attention, who was faster, who was stronger, who did better in school, etc. etc.

Yes, that's right, but only if it's in a very positive way rather than the opposite.

That was the reason why I decided to join the discussion, because it was really going to reach a point where any of them could go against the healthy way of Investing in Bitcoin, taking a decision that they might have paused along the way and begun to regret.

On the contrary, your advice to them may come back to hurt them in future, especially when they notice how Bitcoin price soars. If they were challenging one another on who would accumulate the most, I don't see how that would be a problem. That challenge is better than they gambling their cash away on some sites. I think you should've encouraged them to go ahead and accumulate at a time like this and then remind them to sell during the expected bull run in 2025 to take profit. Sorry, I don't think you advised them well.

I did not advise them not to invest in Bitcoin, but all I did was let them understand that Bitcoin investment is not about wanting to be greater than the next person in a negative way that can land them taking loans, selling of their other assets, selling all their properties, Investing all their monthly salary in Bitcoin, closing down their business, and Investing all the money in Bitcoin. Perhaps if they have any arising need, they will now have to sell some Bitcoin before they can solve the problem. I told them that competition is meant to be positive, like if they really have those huge funds to accumulate 3 or 5 Bitcoin, let them go ahead, but if they don't, let them just do according to their financial capabilities at that moment (no fighting to do better than the next person when you know fully well that at that moment, the person is far better than you in finance).


Why wait for the best financial time when you can do it here and now?

By investing at ease and at the best financial time, I mean when they think they have solved some personal stuff and they have really made the decision for the set amount they wish to invest at a time (for example, I can decide to invest about $200 every month I receive my salary). You know the situation with some people: they will invest all their salary into something, and at the end of the day, they will be looking for someone who will give them loans so that they can solve their problems while they also wait for their investment to mature before they repay the loan. You know the saying that we should "invest only what we can risk at that moment?"

How can we compare the number of bitcoins two people have when, for example, one initially had the capital to acquire them, and the other put aside several years from his salary? It's like having a competition between an athlete and a man with a broken leg. This does not lead to anything but psychological problems and low self-esteem, since the conditions are not equal from the very beginning. Financial matters should not be in competition with other people, only with yourself. A person in pursuit of others may not have time to notice what he has achieved himself and how he has grown compared to his past.

I feel you really understood the situation.


Possibly a made-up story

like some kind of forum storyteller or something else? If it were an imaginary story, I'd probably say it is, and I will not be prosecuted by anyone for putting up an imaginative topic. Angry

What's more, as long as they don't make themselves too poor doing it so,

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There is the kind of competition that is healthy that can motivate you to make better financial decisions, there is also the unsafe kind of competition that can lead to jealousy. Competition about accumulation of bitcoins is dangerous, because in the process of trying to compete with someone, you make it known to people that you are accumulating bitcoins, so they know exactly what to steal from you, that puts you in danger. Bitcoin accumulation is something that should be done privately.

You are right, @Queentoshi; this thing you said made me remember a movie that I watched. In the movie, there were about 8 friends who run a drug cartel, but along the way, only 3 of them became more successful than the rest of the 5, which got them wondering why they shared everything equally. So, the five of them became envious of the three colleagues, and they conspired to get them executed, so it could only be the five of them in the business.

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August 09, 2023, 10:25:58 PM
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Bitcoin accumulation should be done at ease, in a way that it doesn't have any phycological effect on the investor, or in a way that you are not always in a haste to sell your coins because of every arising need. While investing in Bitcoin, it's wise to keep some fiat for one's personal needs and budget.

that's a good suggestion for your friends and maybe all the members in this forum. it doesn't matter when they have a big vision for the future, but they have to measure their ability to invest assets. like they allocate their free funds every payday from work, just do it regularly and it will make Bitcoin accumulation continue to grow without any pressure from competition. do it regularly and at the end of the year they can see the most accumulation they have accumulated without competition. without even hurting them financially.

Good money management skill will solve this problem. I believe from ones monthly earnings, there should be a percentage for emergency. This is what people fall to do in most cases and when emergency arise, they turn back to sell their coin. Buying Bitcoin can be done on monthly basis with a percentage that won't affect ones household.

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August 09, 2023, 11:36:47 PM
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I actually educated them about Bitcoin investment and how they can go about their investment with ease, and they confirmed that I really did change their mindset from what they were thinking about. I really feel happy that I have passed on what I have learned from this forum (knowledge gained from the forum) to other Bitcoin investors.
I don’t see anything wrong with healthy competition among friends, I rather be in that circle than one that encourages mediocrity. The only disadvantage to this type of motivation is that the person with lesser income and who ideally may not be able to afford to buy certain amount of bitcoin may take that risk without considering all the factors.

Reading the OP, I assumed the “friends” had at least a decent knowledge about bitcoin because a noob would not be so confident about accumulating 1 bitcoin or more, so imagine my surprise when I get to the end of the text and read that you had to teach them how to buy bitcoins.
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