Probably not expressing myself properly was tired when posting.
I saw both of those when searching a while ago. But the BIP motivation says why and even the gmaxwell post has this
Bitcoin really ought to offer and default to using deterministic wallets. The additional security of the current pre-generated ones is fairly small considering how most people use bitcoin and the liability of harm due to insufficient backups and increased pressure to keep a single wallet online is enormous.
What I was looking for is more of the DaveF had an issue, and using a deterministic wallet would have fixed the problem or if DaveF does not use a deterministic wallet he will have those problems.
I *know* these issues happened, but was looking for the discussion about how doing it this way would have solved it.
But, with what you posted I was probably not looking back far enough.
-Dave