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[EinsteiniumWisdom]

Hey Everybody,

Dave here from the Einsteinium crew EMC2, I have loved science all my life and that's I wanted to work for Einsteinium, a digital coin with a philanthropic objective to give 2% of all blocks mined to science research programs and charities voted by our community ( www.einsteinium.org )

I wanted to get a thread going on here, where everyone could discuss different ongoing science topics in an open forum,

Lets talk science!

Have you seen the new Cosmos? Did you like it? Did you see the latest debate between Religious Creationist Ken Ham and Bill Nye The Science Guy?
Is the mars project to colonize Mars ever going to succeed?  

Share your thoughts with us at EMC2 on these subjects and many more right here on this thread

[nachius]

Ham Vs. Nye....

I watched the majority of this, but nothing more than the opening was needed.

Bill Nye although used scientific fact referencing the layers of fossil in the grand canyon obliterated Ham going into his bow tie speech by basically saying:

In paraphrase: I wear a bow tie therefore your argument is invalid.

Many people do not know him outside of his tv show or books, but he was a masterful speaker and presenter during this debate that was all but over after the opening statement.

[EinsteiniumWisdom]

Ham Vs. Nye....

I watched the majority of this, but nothing more than the opening was needed.

Bill Nye although used scientific fact referencing the layers of fossil in the Grand Canyon obliterated Ham going into his bow tie speech by basically saying:

In paraphrase: I wear a bow tie therefore your argument is invalid.

Many people do not know him outside of his tv show or books, but he was a masterful speaker and presenter during this debate that was all but over after the opening statement.

I agree, those opening lines about the bow tie and about The layers of fossils in the Grand Canyon pretty much put an end to all of Ken Hams arguments before he could even start lol.
I love watching these debates tho, there is another great one with Richard Dawkins and an Australian Cardinal that's good too (if you enjoyed this one).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8hy8NxZvFY

I actually really quite enjoy listening to Ken Ham speak too, the guy is really quite intelligent and its kind of amazing how convincing he can actually be at points, that whole argument about observational science versus historical science is really quite well worded bullshit.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!  

P.S Bill Nye is actually a childhood hero of mine, really happy to be hearing his name so frequently lately!

[praxiscat]

I have been watching the latest Cosmos.
While it is very high level and nothing new to better informed viewers, it is a nice introduction of scientific topics and history to a general audience. It is something that presents clear facts to viewers, in a easy to digest, high production method. It is loyal to the original series and the messages it was trying to communicate.

Cosmos was always designed more to be a launching point, rather than an end to the journey. A point of inspiration.

The good thing is Tyson is probably the best person to communicate this message in the present day.

Will this be the most important piece of media Tyson will produce, it is hard to say, he has already been prolific as a public educator and advocate regarding scientific issue. It is hard to say, the Naming rights speech is probably one of the most powerful pieces regarding both a well informed society and science funding. It will likely be watched for generations into the future. Tyson's Cosmos may hold up just as well as Sagan's original.

In terms of the mars project, I am a bit skeptical of it's chances of success. While I do think we should be looking more into space funding, our resources may be better allocated to space telescopes and unmanned exploration like voyager. With the success of the voyager missions, I am surprised Voyager 3 have not been put forth as a possibility.

[EinsteiniumWisdom]

I have been watching the latest Cosmos.
While it is very high level and nothing new to better informed viewers, it is a nice introduction of scientific topics and history to a general audience. It is something that presents clear facts to viewers, in a easy to digest, high production method. It is loyal to the original series and the messages it was trying to communicate.

Cosmos was always designed more to be a launching point, rather than an end to the journey. A point of inspiration.

The good thing is Tyson is probably the best person to communicate this message in the present day.

Will this be the most important piece of media Tyson will produce, it is hard to say, he has already been prolific as a public educator and advocate regarding scientific issue. It is hard to say, the Naming rights speech is probably one of the most powerful pieces regarding both a well informed society and science funding. It will likely be watched for generations into the future. Tyson's Cosmos may hold up just as well as Sagan's original.

In terms of the mars project, I am a bit skeptical of it's chances of success. While I do think we should be looking more into space funding, our resources may be better allocated to space telescopes and unmanned exploration like voyager. With the success of the voyager missions, I am surprised Voyager 3 have not been put forth as a possibility.

So I agree in full about Cosmos, Neil Degrasse Tyson is the best guy for the job, and its definitely more of an introduction for a general audience. But I have to say I love it, I really enjoy showing the episodes to my little cousins and also my parents cause they know as much about space as my little cousins (probably less actually lol). I love the way Neil delivers it with so much passion too just like Carl Saigan used to (dare I even say better...I dare not) but all in all very well made and very interesting. I will be watching the second episode "Some Of The Things Molecules Do" tonight and I am quite excited!

and I agree that we should be funding space exploration further, but I think we should be entirely focused on sending PEOPLE places, because isn't that what we really want out of this? I am not sure (mostly due to ignorance)  which technologies will get there faster our ability to send actual people to distant places or our ability to work holographic imaging to a point where we can basically send holographic versions of our selves to the cosmos.

I know from listening to Tyson recently,

"Alpha Centauri is 4.3 light years away. That means if you could go light speed it would take 4.3 years to get there. It's 41.2 TRILLION KILOMETERS away from Earth or in other words 280 000 x the distance from Earth to the Sun. If you took the fastest space ship we have ever sent anywhere, (Voyager1) which goes 62,000 km per hour it would still take 70 000 years to get there and that's just right next door. Then there are over a billion stars in our galaxy alone and over a billion galaxies in our Universe."

I mean outer space is so freaking big its just not reasonable, we really have no clue what the average life span of an intelligent species is because we are the only ones we know. I have always been considered an impatient person so I guess its no surprise I don't think we have time to waist with looking, I want us to go to places but that's just my personal opinion

I'm a dreamer, but I would love it if the Mars program actually succeeded and I got to go because of digital currency for some reason, think about it, of those first people, some one will be mayor, police chief... Imagine getting to be the first president of Mars, how often do you get be a George Washington in history, I just think it would be awesome, like winning history's great lottery.

[EinsteiniumWisdom]

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We want to hear what you have to say, lets get a science thread going!

[kuroman]

Hey Everybody,

Dave here from the Einsteinium crew EMC2, I have loved science all my life and that's I wanted to work for Einsteinium, a digital coin with a philanthropic objective to give 2% of all blocks mined to science research programs and charities voted by our community ( www.einsteinium.org )

I wanted to get a thread going on here, where everyone could discuss different ongoing science topics in an open forum,

Lets talk science!

Have you seen the new Cosmos? Did you like it? Did you see the latest debate between Religious Creationist Ken Ham and Bill Nye The Science Guy?
Is the mars project to colonize Mars ever going to succeed?  

Share your thoughts with us at EMC2 on these subjects and many more right here on this thread

I've seen new Cosmos, while I like Neil Degrasse Tyson is a great host, the content is the exact same content as any other space documentary the same examples, the same presentation and what's not (this part was disappointing for me).

As for the debate between Nye and Ham, Nye and I share almost the same background (Mechanical Engineer) and I appreciate the personality he built to teach children about science but I found his arguments during that show kind of weak, and I wasn't convinced, and I didn't watch the whole show.

As for Mars, No....no and No, there is not a single solid project to colonize anywhere other than our city suburbs, not even a solid feasability study and requirement book is being built for this. the Talk about Mars nowadays is just a political tool or buzz button for some companies, there is nothing concrete being built to realise that.

[EinsteiniumWisdom]

Hey Everybody,

Dave here from the Einsteinium crew EMC2, I have loved science all my life and that's I wanted to work for Einsteinium, a digital coin with a philanthropic objective to give 2% of all blocks mined to science research programs and charities voted by our community ( www.einsteinium.org )

I wanted to get a thread going on here, where everyone could discuss different ongoing science topics in an open forum,

Lets talk science!

Have you seen the new Cosmos? Did you like it? Did you see the latest debate between Religious Creationist Ken Ham and Bill Nye The Science Guy?
Is the mars project to colonize Mars ever going to succeed?  

Share your thoughts with us at EMC2 on these subjects and many more right here on this thread

I've seen new Cosmos, while I like Neil Degrasse Tyson is a great host, the content is the exact same content as any other space documentary the same examples, the same presentation and what's not (this part was disappointing for me).

As for the debate between Nye and Ham, Nye and I share almost the same background (Mechanical Engineer) and I appreciate the personality he built to teach children about science but I found his arguments during that show kind of weak, and I wasn't convinced, and I didn't watch the whole show.

As for Mars, No....no and No, there is not a single solid project to colonize anywhere other than our city suburbs, not even a solid feasability steady and requirement book is being built for this. the Talk about Mars nowadays is just a political tool or buzz button for some companies, there is nothing concrete being built to realise that.

Well this was the exact project I am referring to, and asking if you think it might have a chance, I really hope it does but I have no idea.
https://www.mars-one.com/

They claim to be aiming for 2023 as the year of the first launch but from what I understand they are dramatically underfunded for such an endeavor, My question is.. is it possible? if they raise the money could they really do this?

[kuroman]

Hey Everybody,

Dave here from the Einsteinium crew EMC2, I have loved science all my life and that's I wanted to work for Einsteinium, a digital coin with a philanthropic objective to give 2% of all blocks mined to science research programs and charities voted by our community ( www.einsteinium.org )

I wanted to get a thread going on here, where everyone could discuss different ongoing science topics in an open forum,

Lets talk science!

Have you seen the new Cosmos? Did you like it? Did you see the latest debate between Religious Creationist Ken Ham and Bill Nye The Science Guy?
Is the mars project to colonize Mars ever going to succeed?  

Share your thoughts with us at EMC2 on these subjects and many more right here on this thread

I've seen new Cosmos, while I like Neil Degrasse Tyson is a great host, the content is the exact same content as any other space documentary the same examples, the same presentation and what's not (this part was disappointing for me).

As for the debate between Nye and Ham, Nye and I share almost the same background (Mechanical Engineer) and I appreciate the personality he built to teach children about science but I found his arguments during that show kind of weak, and I wasn't convinced, and I didn't watch the whole show.

As for Mars, No....no and No, there is not a single solid project to colonize anywhere other than our city suburbs, not even a solid feasability steady and requirement book is being built for this. the Talk about Mars nowadays is just a political tool or buzz button for some companies, there is nothing concrete being built to realise that.

Well this was the exact project I am referring to, and asking if you think it might have a chance, I really hope it does but I have no idea.
https://www.mars-one.com/

They claim to be aiming for 2023 as the year of the first launch but from what I understand they are dramatically underfunded for such an endeavor, My question is.. is it possible? if they raise the money could they really do this?

From the information they have on their website, the team and their field of knowledge, now it is impossible unless they aren't sharing all the informations

Most of the team are young Engineers like my self (M.Sc, M. Arth ...ect), with only one of the team members that has worked in a space agency (ESA and worked on telescopes), this doesn't mean they are incompetent people, the issue I have here, is the lack of expertise in almost every single domain concerned in a space mission to Mars and this is critical!

2023 is also impossible, in the measure that everything needs to be developed, a space capsule or an environment that will allow people to live for 6 months + in deep space with all the challenges that it comes with) landing technology on mars with such a weight..... the spacecraft/rocket that will put such a heavy load, into trans mars injection orbit....

Such a program requires the collaboration of whole and several space agencies, dozens of billions (if you want to build a minimum living environment on Mars and not send people to their immediate demise ...)

... there are tons of other problems, and I'm very skeptical about this, while it's not Impossible if space agencies are really backing this project with their expertise and platforms and there are billions of dollars of investment ready and from the information I saw on their website there aren't such commitments so far, maybe the website doesn't have all the informations, and to make sure I've sent an email to Mars One team and also asking if they are recruiting.

[EinsteiniumWisdom]

Hey Everybody,

Dave here from the Einsteinium crew EMC2, I have loved science all my life and that's I wanted to work for Einsteinium, a digital coin with a philanthropic objective to give 2% of all blocks mined to science research programs and charities voted by our community ( www.einsteinium.org )

I wanted to get a thread going on here, where everyone could discuss different ongoing science topics in an open forum,

Lets talk science!

Have you seen the new Cosmos? Did you like it? Did you see the latest debate between Religious Creationist Ken Ham and Bill Nye The Science Guy?
Is the mars project to colonize Mars ever going to succeed?  

Share your thoughts with us at EMC2 on these subjects and many more right here on this thread

I've seen new Cosmos, while I like Neil Degrasse Tyson is a great host, the content is the exact same content as any other space documentary the same examples, the same presentation and what's not (this part was disappointing for me).

As for the debate between Nye and Ham, Nye and I share almost the same background (Mechanical Engineer) and I appreciate the personality he built to teach children about science but I found his arguments during that show kind of weak, and I wasn't convinced, and I didn't watch the whole show.

As for Mars, No....no and No, there is not a single solid project to colonize anywhere other than our city suburbs, not even a solid feasability steady and requirement book is being built for this. the Talk about Mars nowadays is just a political tool or buzz button for some companies, there is nothing concrete being built to realise that.

Well this was the exact project I am referring to, and asking if you think it might have a chance, I really hope it does but I have no idea.
https://www.mars-one.com/

They claim to be aiming for 2023 as the year of the first launch but from what I understand they are dramatically underfunded for such an endeavor, My question is.. is it possible? if they raise the money could they really do this?

From the information they have on their website, the team and their field of knowledge, now it is impossible unless they aren't sharing all the informations

Most of the team are young Engineers like my self (M.Sc, M. Arth ...ect), with only one of the team members that worked in space agency (ESA and worked on telescopes), this doesn't mean they are incompetent people, the issue I have hear, is the lack of expertise in almost every single domain concerned in a space mission to Mars and this is critical!

2023 is also impossible, in the measure that everything needs to be developed, a space capsule or an environment that will allow people to live for 6 months + in deep space with all the challenges that it comes with) landing technology on mars with such a weight..... the spacecraft/rocket that will put such a heavy load, into trans mars injection orbit....

Such a program requires the collaboration of whole in several space agencies, dozens of billions (if you want to build a minimum living environment on Mars and not sent people to their immediate demise ...)

... there are tons of other problems, and I'm very skeptical about this, while it's not Impossible if space agencies are really backing this project with their expertise and platforms and there are billions of dollars of investment ready from the information I saw on their website there aren't such commitments so far, maybe the website doesn't have all the informations, and to make sure I've sent an email to Mars One team, for more informations, also asking if they are recruiting.

Wow, Thank you for the great response and please do share the response to that email if and when they write you back, I am very curious to hear what they have to say.

[kuroman]

Hey Everybody,

Dave here from the Einsteinium crew EMC2, I have loved science all my life and that's I wanted to work for Einsteinium, a digital coin with a philanthropic objective to give 2% of all blocks mined to science research programs and charities voted by our community ( www.einsteinium.org )

I wanted to get a thread going on here, where everyone could discuss different ongoing science topics in an open forum,

Lets talk science!

Have you seen the new Cosmos? Did you like it? Did you see the latest debate between Religious Creationist Ken Ham and Bill Nye The Science Guy?
Is the mars project to colonize Mars ever going to succeed?  

Share your thoughts with us at EMC2 on these subjects and many more right here on this thread

I've seen new Cosmos, while I like Neil Degrasse Tyson is a great host, the content is the exact same content as any other space documentary the same examples, the same presentation and what's not (this part was disappointing for me).

As for the debate between Nye and Ham, Nye and I share almost the same background (Mechanical Engineer) and I appreciate the personality he built to teach children about science but I found his arguments during that show kind of weak, and I wasn't convinced, and I didn't watch the whole show.

As for Mars, No....no and No, there is not a single solid project to colonize anywhere other than our city suburbs, not even a solid feasability steady and requirement book is being built for this. the Talk about Mars nowadays is just a political tool or buzz button for some companies, there is nothing concrete being built to realise that.

Well this was the exact project I am referring to, and asking if you think it might have a chance, I really hope it does but I have no idea.
https://www.mars-one.com/

They claim to be aiming for 2023 as the year of the first launch but from what I understand they are dramatically underfunded for such an endeavor, My question is.. is it possible? if they raise the money could they really do this?

From the information they have on their website, the team and their field of knowledge, now it is impossible unless they aren't sharing all the informations

Most of the team are young Engineers like my self (M.Sc, M. Arth ...ect), with only one of the team members that worked in space agency (ESA and worked on telescopes), this doesn't mean they are incompetent people, the issue I have hear, is the lack of expertise in almost every single domain concerned in a space mission to Mars and this is critical!

2023 is also impossible, in the measure that everything needs to be developed, a space capsule or an environment that will allow people to live for 6 months + in deep space with all the challenges that it comes with) landing technology on mars with such a weight..... the spacecraft/rocket that will put such a heavy load, into trans mars injection orbit....

Such a program requires the collaboration of whole in several space agencies, dozens of billions (if you want to build a minimum living environment on Mars and not sent people to their immediate demise ...)

... there are tons of other problems, and I'm very skeptical about this, while it's not Impossible if space agencies are really backing this project with their expertise and platforms and there are billions of dollars of investment ready from the information I saw on their website there aren't such commitments so far, maybe the website doesn't have all the informations, and to make sure I've sent an email to Mars One team, for more informations, also asking if they are recruiting.

Wow, Thank you for the great response and please do share the response to that email if and when they write you back, I am very curious to hear what they have to say.

will do