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June 04, 2024, 11:56:49 PM
Last edit: June 05, 2024, 12:36:36 AM by GluttonyY
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In 1v1 pvp games, there is no need for a fair system, because you and the player can verify, the results immediately.

If a 1v1 pvp game, was rigged, it would be immediately uncovered.

Likewise, 1v1 pvp games, do not require provably fair, to the extent of casino games, like slots.

Because all results, can be cross checked and pen tested by users immediately, without a fair system.

Just providing this information, so users are aware, of this update, in gambling overall.

I am inherit about this, because pvp games, are a better way to gamble.

Versus having the casino siphon your money, and disperse it in areas, you are not familiar with.

At least with 1v1 pvp, games, I can invite my friend, well run a game for 5$ and check the system out.

And immediately, we know if something is wrong, because if the money didn't go to one of us, who did it go to?

Something is wrong, something is rigged, let's not play here, johnny.

Users can work together, to discern these legitimate sources.

It is up to these pvp organizations, to provide you chatrooms, so you can then verify in chat, if you lost, 'Johnny did you get the money?'

If johnny says no and he won, then something is up.

Likewise, if you win, and don't receive anything flag it.

Working together like this, we don't need to read complex code, or hash algorithms, to decipher, the legitimacy, of results.

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June 05, 2024, 12:58:36 AM
Last edit: June 06, 2024, 10:19:25 PM by jordimetil
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In 1v1 pvp games, there is no need for a fair system, because you and the player can verify, the results immediately.

If a 1v1 pvp game, was rigged, it would be immediately uncovered.

Likewise, 1v1 pvp games, do not require provably fair, to the extent of casino games, like slots.

Because all results, can be cross checked and pen tested by users immediately, without a fair system.

Just providing this information, so users are aware, of this update, in gambling overall.

I am inherit about this, because pvp games, are a better way to gamble.

Versus having the casino siphon your money, and disperse it in areas, you are not familiar with.

At least with 1v1 pvp, games, I can invite my friend, well run a game for 5$ and check the system out.

And immediately, we know if something is wrong, because if the money didn't go to one of us, who did it go to?

Something is wrong, something is rigged, let's not play here, johnny.

Users can work together, to discern these legitimate sources.

It is up to these pvp organizations, to provide you chatrooms, so you can then verify in chat, if you lost, 'Johnny did you get the money?'

If johnny says no and he won, then something is up.

Likewise, if you win, and don't receive anything flag it.

Working together like this, we don't need to read complex code, or hash algorithms, to decipher, the legitimacy, of results.

for example, if you are playing coinflip you are 50 50 to get 100% of your amount (- casino house edge, but you get what I mean) and if you are playing something like case battles you are 50 50 to get your "victory" but you don't know the amount you'll get. that's why provably fair is needed there, also how can I know i'm playing against real player and not casino. to sum up, provably fair in online casinos is MUST.
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June 05, 2024, 02:31:13 AM
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June 05, 2024, 03:54:12 AM
Last edit: June 05, 2024, 04:06:27 AM by GluttonyY
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It is normal that no one pays attention to you because you say so much nonsense that not even the dumbest people in the place would fall for your crude attempt to swindle.

If you were a normal human, and not an idiot, you would know I am not trying to make anyone fall for anything poker Player the zombie, in the flesh.

Just noticed, users such as seoincorporation, stating, pvp games needed provably fair and this is not true, Poker Player the idiot.



seoincorporation, is refferring to the house, in a pvp game, there is no house. You are playing against, other players, so the house has no reason to rig you.

And if it is rigged, you can easily tell....

In reference : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5488105.0






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You are playing against, other players, so the house has no reason to rig you.

How can you assure yourself that you are playing against real other players? Do you forget that there is also a possibility where the house may act to be player to play against you and if they can control the outcome then you will be busted easily? If it is being done in land-based casino, maybe the chance of cheating is smaller  because you watch it live but when you are playing on online casino, what you see is the outcome only as you do not see the process. The idea to have provably fair system in pvp game is to guarantee the fairness between players, without provably fair system it will bring big doubt.

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June 05, 2024, 05:13:53 AM
Last edit: June 05, 2024, 05:27:42 AM by GluttonyY
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You are playing against, other players, so the house has no reason to rig you.

How can you assure yourself that you are playing against real other players? Do you forget that there is also a possibility where the house may act to be player to play against you and if they can control the outcome then you will be busted easily? If it is being done in land-based casino, maybe the chance of cheating is smaller  because you watch it live but when you are playing on online casino, what you see is the outcome only as you do not see the process. The idea to have provably fair system in pvp game is to guarantee the fairness between players, without provably fair system it will bring big doubt.

That's a good statement/question.


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But nowadays methodical pvp games, consists of you creating a game, and waiting for players to join.

You are not immediately put into a match, seemingly revealing there are not bots already programmed to beat you.

The best of the best pvp platforms, have much more transparent systems, so you can see everything going on in the backend.

So now users, can see the process as well. Where the money is being dispersed to. How much is being dispersed.

If it is a pvp game, it would be easy to detect if there were bots. I.e, there is no one chatting in the chatroom or, the username is obviously generated with random characters.

It is up to these pvp platforms, to provide you all payout data, so you can cross reference it and do your due diligence. Such as taking a look at all the winners, names to see are they bot-like, or user like. And are they reoccurring. Likewise, can you talk to these users?

As gamblers, put this minor work in, by participating in pvp games, you will experience much more benefits.

As it is pvp, and the house will not interfere with the calculations. You can either win multiple times, or lose multiple times. Don't have to fear 'Oh what if I already won too much and they are trying to beat me now', no, 'House does not care about me winning or losing, lets see how many times I can streak'

Likewise, yes the house can act like a player. But do not forget, the house, in pvp games, if smart, want's to profit off of a fee.

This company, is already profiting. They have no reason to be greedy, and take more money out of the player's bets.

This would not last long term, and players would immediately bust it.



If you can stay on a platform for a year without any scam accusations, that is positive and that's where people will start to have trust your services. I am not an expert about these things and I do not have any stats to back my claims. But, I guess the managers will agree with me.
I do not think there is any scope to be scammed by a platform like Bitwinup. Everything is done on chain. Besides the team is earning from the fees of the pool for every trade. They are not holding any coin for you. So platform like this a scam protected :-D

That's the positive side of the web3 platform everything is done automated and in the case of Bitwinup profit comes not from beating the players but from fees from the trades so if they have a good number of players profit is guaranteed and the longevity of the platform is secured.

The referral program is great and if they couple it with good marketing they can double or triple the number of players then stability will be established, players should look at the affiliate plan not only the platform is safe to promote its also profitable to promote.


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Today at 09:05:55 AM
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You are playing against, other players, so the house has no reason to rig you.
How can you assure yourself that you are playing against real other players? Do you forget that there is also a possibility where the house may act to be player to play against you and if they can control the outcome then you will be busted easily? If it is being done in land-based casino, maybe the chance of cheating is smaller  because you watch it live but when you are playing on online casino, what you see is the outcome only as you do not see the process. The idea to have provably fair system in pvp game is to guarantee the fairness between players, without provably fair system it will bring big doubt.
They can do that but I think does not really matter as long as the system is fair and we can verify it. The game will still depend on our skills and maybe some luck, since this was PVP. I think some PVP are somewhat similar to live games. I like this better. Not only that it's more exciting but we can also see if there is something shady happening in the background or on our opponent's side.

Provably fair system has always been a part of crypto and in fairness, it makes the game more fair. However, even though a casino has it, it is still not guarantee that gamblers will now trust them because there are still other things that can affect their trust. So, it's important to pay attention to them as well.

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You are playing against, other players, so the house has no reason to rig you.
How can you assure yourself that you are playing against real other players? Do you forget that there is also a possibility where the house may act to be player to play against you and if they can control the outcome then you will be busted easily? If it is being done in land-based casino, maybe the chance of cheating is smaller  because you watch it live but when you are playing on online casino, what you see is the outcome only as you do not see the process. The idea to have provably fair system in pvp game is to guarantee the fairness between players, without provably fair system it will bring big doubt.
They can do that but I think does not really matter as long as the system is fair and we can verify it. The game will still depend on our skills and maybe some luck, since this was PVP. I think some PVP are somewhat similar to live games. I like this better. Not only that it's more exciting but we can also see if there is something shady happening in the background or on our opponent's side.

Provably fair system has always been a part of crypto and in fairness, it makes the game more fair. However, even though a casino has it, it is still not guarantee that gamblers will now trust them because there are still other things that can affect their trust. So, it's important to pay attention to them as well.
I agree, PVP casino games are better than playing slot games because if you are playing with an opponent and you have a chance of winning if you are good enough and wise enough, in PVP casino games you will not regret your losses because you give your all in order to win, unless you are a hard-core gamer or gambler, so its up to you.

About the concept of if we are sure that our opponent is a real human or person, I think it is, but it can't be helped that some casino platforms will plant or place AI because it's part of the system, but no casino platform will admit to it; we are the ones that will notice it, and if you are unlucky and face an AI opponent, then I guess it's your loss. But I think it's better to play with an opponent than gamble using slot games, random casino games, or luck-based casino, because losing to those is kind of regretful, and you will be frustrated if you lose.

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