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May 22, 2024, 10:49:18 AM
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Scarface movie Tony Montana was good example what happens for those who try to go against power.
You can't go against all the world and power it's impossible. 
But putin have secret service experince so not easy to attack him.
You either use nuclear so winners or you either lose yourself no china or brics military cant compete with usa nato it's world strongest military.
Russia can just continue the old ways to keep peace and feed Europe with gas and everything and not try to be leader but just the producer of energy wich brokered by switzerland banks like credit suisse the main Putin partner in business.

I don't think the west will go against russia generally they want to just change the current russian goverment first off course west want to change putin only way they can Do is revolution in russia but not easy because putin is ex secret service person not easy to get spy working in there and not easy to fund the revolution agents.
West will want to make deal it's either Putin will get free access to sea and own maybe baltics or finland or will get ukraine but west need ukraine more there is natural reaources so for west easy way Will be to give finland and baltics to Putin to own and sea access
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May 23, 2024, 12:31:21 AM
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Interesting way to put it though, considering Putin and his Kremlin officials have told they are not seeking for the dominion of the world nor even the dominion over Europe, they are alledgely just trying to defend themselves from a bigger threat, which is alledgedly NaTO. I do not buy that narrative, though. In my opinion, what going on is Putin being thirsty, completely drunk for more power and annexation of pore lands from the former Soviet republics,
He has been in power so much time in Russia that he is trying to build and legacy before he dies (assuming he actually believes in his mortality), he wants to be the next Ivan the terrible in the XXL century, both an expansionist and a cruel ruler whose own people are afraid of.

Also, the access to warmer waters would be an explanation, but it does not completely add up, Russia already has access to the pacific Ocean, near Japan. Japan itself is a country which does not have access to warmer waters and yetz they have managed to become one of the most important nations, economically and culturally. They do not even have all the oil and weapons Russia has, so if Putin actually cares for the development of the nation and the well being of the average Russian person, he would have tried to improve infrastructure and technology, instead starting a war against a democratic neighbor.

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May 23, 2024, 06:56:53 AM
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Interesting way to put it though, considering Putin and his Kremlin officials have told they are not seeking for the dominion of the world nor even the dominion over Europe, they are alledgely just trying to defend themselves from a bigger threat, which is alledgedly NaTO. I do not buy that narrative, though. In my opinion, what going on is Putin being thirsty, completely drunk for more power and annexation of pore lands from the former Soviet republics,
He has been in power so much time in Russia that he is trying to build and legacy before he dies (assuming he actually believes in his mortality), he wants to be the next Ivan the terrible in the XXL century, both an expansionist and a cruel ruler whose own people are afraid of.

Also, the access to warmer waters would be an explanation, but it does not completely add up, Russia already has access to the pacific Ocean, near Japan. Japan itself is a country which does not have access to warmer waters and yetz they have managed to become one of the most important nations, economically and culturally. They do not even have all the oil and weapons Russia has, so if Putin actually cares for the development of the nation and the well being of the average Russian person, he would have tried to improve infrastructure and technology, instead starting a war against a democratic neighbor.

Smiles! Maybe Op has anxiety over Russia in particular but anyhow, Russia has been on watch because it influences Nato even though Russia not admitted of being a World best. They're on target and so, they're only building the shields to protect their selves. Putin also just as you said has been too mean and desperate just taking the geography too personal like a heritage.
Well, I'm not a Russian so if he's good for the citizens so he it but let the will of the people prevail and not the will of Putin alone.

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May 23, 2024, 07:05:33 AM
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I totally agree that Russia, can not go against all the European countries, no matter if it's in the hidden agendas of Putin, that is beyond him, and the continuous resistance of Ukraine, is a testament that some dreams are not easy to come true. I really think that Russia, should focus on Russians and find a way to strengthen their economy and restore their lost glory as the first country that can stand up to the US, because this war with Ukraine, has really exposed them, they thought that conquering Ukraine, will be a walk in the park.

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May 23, 2024, 08:05:43 AM
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There's no single entity called Europe or the world. Even NATO isn't unified on it's support of conflict against Russia. There was a power struggle going in Ukraine between Russia and the US. Neighboring European nations tried but failed to contain the conflict and as it grew to full fledged war, they are fully or partially supporting Ukraine to kill off some manpower and military power. But after a couple of years realized Russia won't surrender due to loss in manpower and is capable of producing more military hardware in war time.
Most of the world that are not involved in this conflict are neutral and sympathetic to Ukrainians who became the victim of the new Cold war. between superpowers.



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May 23, 2024, 08:45:06 AM
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You also need to realize that the world is not just about EU or the west, China is right there in terms of everything and they are on the side of Russia in this and other big nation is India, so politically west won't take their chances to against this big three nations in terms of everything. And we  shouldn't have to assume that Nuclear war is coming cause it's lose-lose for anyone and probably end the human kind as well.









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Russia isn't trying to go against the whole world. Remember, Russia was only going against Ukraine. It was most of Europe and the US that is going against Russia.

Consider. Siberian Russia borders much of China. These two countries are in talks and agreements, and they are two of the largest countries in the world, land-wise.

Russia and China are setting up BRICS. The other BRICS nations - the whole world except the US and the EU - are waiting to see if these two countries can offer better money control through BRICS.

If Russia and China do it right, EU countries might want membership. Consider that many EU businesses are blocked from aspects of US finance right now. And the people of the US are blocked from easy financial access to many EU financial companies.

Russia and China simply want to do trade. The people of the EU countries and the US want the same. It's the US and EU big money people and governments who are blocking Russia, China to some extent, and would be blocking BRICS if it really became active.

Possibly BRICS can figure out a way to let the US and EU people into BRICS directly, without the control of the US and EU governments. One way might be through Qortal or Session.

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If Russia and China do it right, EU countries might want membership. Consider that many EU businesses are blocked from aspects of US finance right now. And the people of the US are blocked from easy financial access to many EU financial companies.

Russia and China simply want to do trade. The people of the EU countries and the US want the same. It's the US and EU big money people and governments who are blocking Russia, China to some extent, and would be blocking BRICS if it really became active.

Possibly BRICS can figure out a way to let the US and EU people into BRICS directly, without the control of the US and EU governments. One way might be through Qortal or Session.

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The BRICS and the alledged threat it represents against the dominance of the dollar and the effectiveness of the sanctions imposed by the United States and the European Union are and will continue to bee just hot air as long as they stay without issuing their own international currency. And to be honest, I doubt China would be in favor of linking their economy directly to the economies of others nations which are pretty much more undeveloped than herself.
It would make more sense if China decided to push the Chinese Yuan as the official currency of the BRICS, in consequence the BRICS members would have access to the currency of dual circulation in their territories.

Also, if you know anything about countries within the European Union, you would rewlize they do not only care about the objectives but also the path to achieve whatever they want, otherwise they would have continued to mine for coal instead looking for ways to transition to cleaner energies to get their own version of energy independence. If they do business, they will care on the impact it will have for the world.

BRICS stands as smoke and mirrors, until their start to print and ship their bills overseas. Let me know when then start and whether those bills are backed with anything.

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If Russia and China do it right, EU countries might want membership. Consider that many EU businesses are blocked from aspects of US finance right now. And the people of the US are blocked from easy financial access to many EU financial companies.

Russia and China simply want to do trade. The people of the EU countries and the US want the same. It's the US and EU big money people and governments who are blocking Russia, China to some extent, and would be blocking BRICS if it really became active.

Possibly BRICS can figure out a way to let the US and EU people into BRICS directly, without the control of the US and EU governments. One way might be through Qortal or Session.

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The BRICS and the alledged threat it represents against the dominance of the dollar and the effectiveness of the sanctions imposed by the United States and the European Union are and will continue to bee just hot air as long as they stay without issuing their own international currency. And to be honest, I doubt China would be in favor of linking their economy directly to the economies of others nations which are pretty much more undeveloped than herself.
It would make more sense if China decided to push the Chinese Yuan as the official currency of the BRICS, in consequence the BRICS members would have access to the currency of dual circulation in their territories.

Also, if you know anything about countries within the European Union, you would rewlize they do not only care about the objectives but also the path to achieve whatever they want, otherwise they would have continued to mine for coal instead looking for ways to transition to cleaner energies to get their own version of energy independence. If they do business, they will care on the impact it will have for the world.

BRICS stands as smoke and mirrors, until their start to print and ship their bills overseas. Let me know when then start and whether those bills are backed with anything.

BRICS doesn't need to be developed much at all. All the BRICS nations have to do is adopt any combination of crypto currencies, and tweak them a little to make a physical crypto that can't be counterfeit, except if the receiver is stupid enough to do absolutely no DUE DILIGENCE at all.

They can also be made to be formally backed by gold or silver, etc., for whenever the holder wants redemption at an authorized BRICS bank. In fact, this might be why China and Russia are hoarding gold and silver... because they are already prepared with the crypto part.

Such a thing could have been done - and actually was done - in the US long ago. But the SEC made it so difficult for the creator of the physical bitcoins, that he stopped sending them into the market. Well, the US can't stop the BRICS bank like they can stop somebody from their own jurisdiction.

What this means is that Russia and China might easily be prepared, already, to crash the US banking whenever they want. It means that they won't have to go against Europe and the US. The people of those countries will WANT the BRICS crypto, and will overcome their governments' objections out of hand.

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May 24, 2024, 09:58:55 PM
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Doesn't make sense to me, i know that no one can try to dominate the entire Europe or world, but who are we or the war criminals in west decide whether Putin needs to go or a revolution is required? I understand Putin is not a saint but neither the western and European leader are. There should be more dialogue to clear the blockers for peaceful environment and a mutual approach by leaving the egos aside rather than trying to start revolt against government.









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May 24, 2024, 11:37:44 PM
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^^^ The point is, the financial system of the West is essentially destroyed by what BRICS can do.

The crypto known as Softnote, made by the company called Tectum, is ready to flood the world with paper crypto bills that are reasonably safe from counterfeit.

If BRICS simply copied this, and applied it to their banking system, and backed the notes by literal gold or silver, nobody would want the US banking system any longer. Americans and Europeans would flock to BRICS despite what their banking system and governments said.

It might take a little while to make the system popular, but it could be done by introducing the proper BRICS app over Session or Qortal. Governments can't track these with any real success.

Right now Tectum is selling at about $14. With a little wiggling, anybody who adopted the Softnote technology and offered it open source - especially if you could redeem gold and silver for it - would have a great advantage over the US fiat, the USD.

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