Calling all mentally stable, and intellectual users of the Bitcoin Talk Forum.
There is no way, this behavior is warranted, this is harassment. Likewise, you users are supporting this user harassing me.
I understand, my platform, has intimidated many users. Because of the extreme, claims/ but all of these claims I am making are true.
Likewise, Unlimited Money Generator, having 99.9% Player Take back ratio(RTP) is true, and users, having a loving economy, helping them profit is true.
The economy wants you to profit, because you are helping it profit. By users putting money into the system, you are not only allowing it to profit, but you are creating an economy, a lucrative economy, for you and other users to gamble/ trade, and play the lottery in. All with your own rules, no limits on how much you can take back home, and an environment rewarding you if you know what you are doing.
Likewise, an environment, with many opportunities to profit not just off of the monetary aspects of the game, but the information aspects of the game. Such as the encrypted data, siphoned to you, you then will decrypt and sell to other users, as another way of generating revenue.
Let's take a look in particular, at this user who is claiming UMG is a fraud, or scam. There are no problems with the claim. It is the approach.
In which this case, this behavior is uncalled for, and I was extremely fair to this user, until they started creating drama, within the forum, and harassing me.
Mate I am sure, when people read what you have wrote, they will understand.
Because I cant even have a normal conversation with you, without you trying to paint me as a scammer.
You cant even paint me as a scammer, without saying the scam word.
There is no way you can accurately describe me as a scammer, using vocabulary, other than 'scam'
Like say something like, 'You are a scammer, because your system, consists of users losing money, until they win, it is a ponzi scheme because you are siphoning money from old users, to new users, to get them to keep investing'
Like say something like this if you can, something to prove your claims are valid.
Because just like you say my claims, are fluff, yours are as well..
You just saying 'Your a ponzi scheme' does not prove I am a ponzi scheme
Likewise, I don't even think you know enough about the game to even be able to accurately assess it as a ponzi scheme or not.
(Copies exactly what I give to him as an example of a correct thesis, as if he is making a point, and validating his statement that UMG is a ponzi scheme)
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GluttonyY, I'm literally astonished by the sheer amount of logical fallacies and desperation in your latest response. You're trying to deflect criticism by claiming I'm not providing enough evidence, but that's a classic case of projection.
Firstly, you're literally asking me to provide a detailed explanation of how your system works, but you've failed to do so yourself. You've consistently avoided providing any credible information about UMG's inner workings, and now you're expecting me to do your job for you? Please.
Secondly, you're claiming that I don't know enough about the game to accurately assess it as a ponzi scheme. That's a laughable excuse, considering you've provided no transparency or information about your system. It's like you're saying, "Trust me, I'm not a scammer, but I won't show you how my system works."
Thirdly, you're literally saying that my claims are "fluff" because I'm not providing enough evidence, but you're doing the exact same thing. You're making outlandish claims about UMG without providing any credible evidence to support them. That's not how logic works, buddy.
And let's not forget, you literally supported the flag that labeled UMG as a scam. It seems you're now trying to backtrack and justify it with flawed arguments. I'm not buying it.
UMG is a scam because it promises unrealistic returns, has no transparency, and relies on unsustainable business practices. It's a ponzi scheme because it relies on new users to fund older users, with no clear explanation of how it generates value. You can't just magic money out of thin air, GluttonyY.
Your attempts to deflect criticism and shift the burden of proof are literally pathetic. You're not fooling anyone with your desperate attempts to justify UMG. It's time to face the music and admit that your "invention" is a scam.
Firstly, you're literally asking me to provide a detailed explanation of how your system works, but you've failed to do so yourself. You've consistently avoided providing any credible information about UMG's inner workings, and now you're expecting me to do your job for you? Please.
When I try to give him the information, instead of hearing me out, he continues to engage, in insulting me by calling me a scammer, and spamming all my threads causing chaos for me.
Dude, I gotta call you out on this. You're trying to spin this "Unlimited Money Generator" thing as some kind of revolutionary gambling platform, but it reeks of scammy nonsense. You're claiming it's got a 99.9% RTP and no house edge, but that's just not how casinos work. It sounds like you're trying to justify a system that's designed to take advantage of people.
And let's be real, "players vs bots" is just a fancy way of saying "you're playing against the house". You're not being transparent about how the system works, and that's a huge red flag. I'm not buying your "intense skill-based nature" argument, especially when the website looks like it was thrown together by a high schooler.
Here's the thing, bro: if this thing is operating in the US, it's gotta comply with gambling laws. And from what I can see, it's not doing that. You're potentially violating laws and taking advantage of people's trust. That's not cool, dude. That's not cool at all.
So, either you're in on the scam and trying to convince people to throw their money at it, or you're just really bad at understanding how gambling works. Either way, I'd advise people to steer clear of this thing. It's got "scam" written all over it.
Ditec, do not spam, me in all angles, causing so much chaos for me. Give me time, to respond to you, what we are talking about is VERY complex. VERY.
So you stress me out, when you are coming from all angles. spamming this scam word, asking me to explain things to you, okay I will explain, but give me time.
You gamblers are just far far behind, and these claims seem like dreams to you, likewise causing you to negatively flag. When you need to just be patient and ask me question on top of question, and we will get to the bottom of it.
First of all, UNLIMITED MONEY GLITCH IS A GAME. You are gambling on the game, with fake currency. No laws are being broken, they are merely being evaded using a loophole.
So users can avoid, KYC, and experience much better benefits.
Likewise, we transfer from UMGLITCH to UMGROUP, UM, to BTC
Secondly,
You're claiming it's got a 99.9% RTP and no house edge, but that's just not how casinos work. It sounds like you're trying to justify a system that's designed to take advantage of people.
I won't be taking advantage of people, you will. That's the point. You as players are taking advantage of each other instead. It's pvp. So now the house doesn't care what you do, because you are not affecting them, likewise, you can win however much you want.
And let's be real, "players vs bots" is just a fancy way of saying "you're playing against the house".
Ditec if you read, the game tells you exactly what you just said,
Likewise, it will not be like this forever. Eventually the official worlds will be only pvp and no bots. This is just to increase the player count, by giving users incentive.
You're claiming it's got a 99.9% RTP and no house edge, but that's just not how casinos work. It sounds like you're trying to justify a system that's designed to take advantage of people.
UMG is not a casino, it is a betting platform.
Ditec's response:
Hey GluttonyY,
I've gotta say, your response is a bunch of fluff and excuses. You're trying to defend the Unlimited Money Generator platform, but your arguments are weak and don't make sense.
First of all, you claim that UMG is a game and not a casino, but that's just semantics. You're still taking people's money and promising them a chance to win, which is exactly what casinos do. And your "loophole" excuse is just a way of saying you're trying to evade laws and regulations.
And don't even get me started on your "pvp" system. You're saying that users are taking advantage of each other, but that's just a fancy way of saying that the house is still making money off of people's losses. And your "no house edge" claim is just a joke - if there's no house edge, then how are you making money?
Your explanation of the 99.9% RTP rate is also complete nonsense. You're saying that users are taking advantage of each other, but that doesn't explain how the system works or how you're making money. And your "it's pvp" excuse is just a way of dodging the question.
I've already made a report on Bitcointalk (
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5498951.msg64173097#msg64173097) exposing the red flags of UMG, and I'm not backing down. I've created flags against UMG owners and promoters, and I urge the community to support them. Let's keep our community safe from scams like this.
Your attempts to justify UMG are just a bunch of smoke and mirrors, and I'm not buying it. UMG is a scam, and it's time to face the music.
And this user, is now acting like a victim.. And users are falling for it how? You coming at me this aggressively, thinking I will be docile with you.
Let's go deeper.
Bro stop copy and pasting your messages, and leaving it everywhere, just put in one thread, your confusing everyone, you just saying a bunch of random shit everywhere dude.
Smoke and mirrors, where have you even tested the system? Dude? What are you talking about, 99.9% RTP, rate, That is exactly how it works.
You are inexperienced, so, step back. Educate yourself, then come back, and we can have a more logical conversation, thank you.
Hey @GluttonyY, I'm not copy-pasting my messages, I'm sharing my concerns about UMG with the community. If you actually read my statements, you'd get it. Instead, you're trying to discredit me with personal attacks.
You say I'm confusing everyone, but it's you who's creating smoke and mirrors around UMG's shady stuff. I've pointed out clear red flags, and you're not addressing them.
You think I'm inexperienced, but that's not an argument. I've done my research and raised valid concerns about UMG's "Provably Fair" system, their unpro website, and their unrealistic promises. You're the one who's not providing any evidence.
And btw, 99.9% RTP rate is not how it works. That's just crazy high, and you know it. If you're gonna defend UMG, at least be honest about their practices.
I don't need to learn how to spot a scam. I've done my homework, and I'm warning others about UMG. You're the one who needs to step back, reflect on your actions, and think about the harm you might be causing by promoting a potentially fraudulent platform.
And then, it's like your a robot, every message, is the same format, without you properly, digesting the information.
Yes the RTP is crazy high, but there is nothing illegal going on.
Like I said, maybe the rtp will go down to 99%, but I have designed the system in a genius manner, to where it can operate with 99.9% RTP, and be sustainable.
You are significantly behind, theoretically, you are not able to digest these concepts yet, it may take a couple of days, for you to completely get your head around it.
But in pvp games, the rtp can be whatever you want, and it will not affect you, unless you have to pay for your website or something.
I mean, of course, the rtp is high as hell, it wouldn't be called Unlimited Money Generator if the rtp wasn't so high, and it couldn't function that way longterm.
Why do you think its called 'Unlimited Money Generator' - That's the point, its an impressive application hands down, don't try to trick yourself, into thinking its a facade.
We can within 5 minutes, tell this is something special.
Likewise, the website is not special. The backend is special. Versus casinos, where the website is special, and the backend is not special.
So which would you rather have, something that looks like shit, allowing you to do great things.
Or, something that looks great, but screws you over in the end.
Your choice.
There is nothing wrong, with your concerns, you just need to approach the situation better, and stop spamming in all angles to get your point -across, like I made this mistake of doing in the past.
and I am UMG, I am being honest about everything. It has a 99.9% RTP.
I gotta say, I'm impressed by your confidence in defending UMG, but unfortunately, your arguments just don't add up.
First off, let's talk about that crazy high RTP of 99.9%. You claim it's sustainable, but I've got news for you: it's literally impossible. In any gambling system, the RTP is a measure of how much money the house expects to make in the long run. A 99.9% RTP means the house is literally giving away almost all the money, which is absurd.
Think about it like this: if a casino had a 99.9% RTP, they'd be losing money hand over fist. They'd literally go bankrupt in no time! And yet, you're saying UMG can maintain this ridiculous RTP without going under? It defies basic economic principles.
Now, you might say, "But wait, UMG takes a 0.1% fee from all the money available!" Ah, nice try, but that's just a clever way of saying they're still making money off users. You can't just magic up a system where everyone wins and the house doesn't lose. It's a zero-sum game, my friend!
And let's not even get started on the "Unlimited Money Generator" part. Common sense dictates that there's no such thing as unlimited money. If it were possible, it would cause massive inflation, making the money literally worthless. Nobody would use it!
You also mentioned that in PvP games, the RTP can be whatever you want. Sorry, but that's not how it works. In any game or system, the RTP is determined by the underlying mechanics, not by some arbitrary number you pull out of thin air.
Lastly, I've got to say, your "backend is special" argument is just a bunch of fluff. If the website looks unprofessional and lacks transparency, that's a major red flag. You can't just wave your hand and say, "Oh, the backend is literally where the magic happens!"
Look, I'm not trying to be harsh, but as an expert in these fields, I've got to call out the flaws in your arguments. UMG just doesn't add up, and it's not because I'm "significantly behind" or need a few days to "digest" the concepts. It's because the math just doesn't work.
So, I'll leave you with this: if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. There's no such thing as unlimited money, and any system claiming otherwise is likely a scam.
No, you are not an expert in this field, because everything you are saying is wrong.
I already told you, UMG, was not a casino, and instead, a platform where users are taking each others money, UMG is just making a small profit off each bet, with a 0.1% fee.
UMG is not built like a casino, so it does not operate upon the same rules.
UMG can have 99.9% RTP, because it was made in a manner, allowing all the money to go back, without affecting the house.
You still are having trouble with this concept, that the house, is not affected by players, taking other players money.
Every time, a user takes someone's money, the house will take 0.1% of their win, and it will give the rest back.
This is legal, working, and sustainable.
You are impressed, because you are not speaking to a fraud, and everything I am saying is true, likewise, I have no problem defending my perspective.
This is easy for, me, I have not created a platform, to fool users, but to help. So if you are trying to put me on blast, it won't work because you are only promoting the software, because I am able to explain all the benefits to you.
You are actually helping me because you are only allowing me to tell you the truth, and promote my benefits, so thank you.
Okay and then after I explain to him, why it can operate with 99.9% rtp, this is what he says,
GluttonyY, you're literally digging yourself a deeper hole with every response, and it's getting embarrassing.
Let's break it down, shall we? You claim that UMG is not a casino, but a platform where users take each other's money, and UMG makes a small profit off each bet with a 0.1% fee. Literally, what's the difference? You're still taking money from users, and that's still gambling. Don't try to spin it as something it's not.
If he read, he would see I just said, I am not taking money from users, users are taking money from each other, there is just a small fee on the winnings. It is a PvP platform, or crypto battle platform.
You say that UMG can have a 99.9% RTP because it was made in a manner that allows all the money to go back, without affecting the house. Literally, how does that work? You're not explaining anything. You're just making empty claims. And even if it were true, which it's not, that would still be a ridiculous claim. No legitimate gambling platform has a 99.9% RTP. That's literally impossible.
Not impossible, I just explained it!
You keep saying that the house is not affected by players taking other players' money, but that's literally not true. You're taking a 0.1% fee from each bet, which means you're making money off of users' losses. That's literally the definition of a casino. And don't even get me started on the fact that you're claiming it's legal and sustainable. Literally, in what country is this legal? Because in most countries, this would be considered illegal gambling.
No it wouldn't because UMG, is not classified as gambling, it is an all-in-one gambling + trading + lottery platform
And then, you have the audacity to say that I'm promoting your software by pointing out the flaws in your system. Literally, are you kidding me? I'm trying to expose your scam, and you're trying to spin it as a marketing opportunity. That's rich.
It was a marketing opportunity, my platform has so many benefits, that you are in disbelief. You are allowing me to prove you wrong with a 100% effective rate, because you are not trying to process what I am saying, likewise, misconstruing my desires. I get to say all my benefits and they are all true!
Oh, and by the way, I'd like to remind you that you're literally trying to defend a system that you yourself have already implicitly acknowledged as a scam by supporting the flag against it. You can't have it both ways, GluttonyY. You can't claim that UMG is legitimate and then support a flag that says it's a scam. That's literally hypocritical.
This user litterally cannot tell that I am being sarcastic with supporting the flag against me.....,
Your desperate attempts to defend UMG are only making you look more guilty, and it's time to face the music: you're running a scam, and it's going to catch up to you.
Come on buddy. I don't care if I look guilty. I know I am not guilty. The only thing going to catch up with me, is some good old Hibachi Grill, Filet Mignon, with two bowls of fried rice, lobster, and some good ole shrimp.
Does anyone hear, the harassment, and attitude, the constant spam of my name, and inability for this user to engage in a normal conversation without letting the UMG, name sway his opinion.
Do we really consider this healthy behavior? Healthy behavior, allowing gamblers to evolve?
Likewise, this user goes on extreme rampages, claiming my site is absolutely, the worst creation on earth, and I have put time and effort into that page.
He has just not logged in and made an effort to see how thorough this can go,
Guys, does the site really look that bad? Like the guy is literally, shitting on me he has not even logged in come on.
(That profit is fake, it is coming from my accounts winning its pvp, remember I can lose too, and I do lose, some of you get greedy and don't take your profits)(I am willing to lose so the real game can get started like you users, playing without my interference)
(All of this made by one person) (Come on have leniecy, I am obviously making an effort, and you can see this is someone who has a passion for gambling and gaming) (Stop judging books by their covers)
More defamation on his behalf, all of this toxicity for what?
Bruh, spamming ain't okay anywhere, whether it's this forum, TikTok, or anywhere else. Saying UMG is 'complex' is just a way to hide that it's a scam. And let's be real, your platform doesn't 'save lives' unless you're referring to people saving themselves from suicide after losing money and time on UMG. Stop the nonsense
In other social media where they don't check more often with the way people post and share information, spamming might be said not to be allowed, but it exists in there since there are no real human moderators going through those spam posts.
With the way that guy is talking, it is clear that all that he is looking for is a way to attract people to his scam site. There is no one going to be saved there, whether he is trying to scam gamblers all in the name of promising them redemption or just attracting them to his fake money generator site for traffic shake.
Shutup, idiot. Yea crypto battles are a scam! Traffic shake, diamond milkshake.
Cyrus, I am asking you please ban me from the forum.
I have abused several, rules, and cannot contain myself, from these filthy users, degrading my platforms.
It's ironic that you previously acknowledged UMG's scam nature by supporting the flag, yet now you're lashing out at others. It seems you're the one struggling to contain yourself. And let's be real, nobody's bothering to degrade
your platform because most people either avoid it altogether or run away after seeing how fucking ugly and shady it looks.Nah the site looks really good, Im not gonna lie. Like its perfect, everything about it, is amazing.
Shut yo dumb ass up and go lose yo money on slots.
Stupid little kid.
I think you must be blind or have no artistic eye whatsoever. You think the Unlimited Money Generator website looks "perfect" and "amazing"? Are you kidding me? It seems like you're the only one who thinks that, because everyone else can see that the website is a design disaster.
The dark green and black color combination is ridiculous and hurts my eyes. The overlapping text and screenshots make it hard to read and navigate. And don't even get me started on the stupid vertical scroll on mobile phones - it's like they didn't even bother to test it.
It's clear that the people behind this website have no idea how to use CSS properly. The layout is a mess, and it looks like they just threw a bunch of elements together without any thought to user experience or aesthetics. I've seen websites from the 80s that look better than this mess.
You can't seriously think this is a well-designed website, can you? It's like they're trying to make it look as unprofessional as possible. And by the way, the personal attacks and insults aren't going to distract from the fact that Unlimited Money Generator is a scam. Keep trying to defend it, but it's not going to change the truth.
Here's the problem: you're wasting your time advertising your... thing... in this section of the forum. You should stick to the Gambling board and maybe Services. So now you have like 5 threads in Reputation, all of which haven't gone in your favor. Can I ask what help you think you're doing yourself by putting on such a "show" for all to bear witness? If its for the sake of marketing, I'd have a hard time believing its working.
Here we go again ^ user claims I am marketing, when I am reporting a user for defamation, and making it clear this user is making false claims about my platform.
As you can clearly, see the website is not in disorder, like ditec claims. That is the main point..
If you are not able to pick up on that, then you are lost. Likewise, all the threads have gone in my favor. Go back and read those threads, I make perfect sense.
Can you not see that everyone arguing with me, eventually gives up.
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Furthermore I am not wasting my time, calling someone out who is spreading false narratives.
My other threads are locked to avoid spam in the reputation panel as well.
Here's the problem: you're wasting your time advertising your... thing... in this section of the forum. You should stick to the Gambling board and maybe Services. So now you have like 5 threads in Reputation, all of which haven't gone in your favor. Can I ask what help you think you're doing yourself by putting on such a "show" for all to bear witness? If its for the sake of marketing, I'd have a hard time believing its working.
Let's make one thing clear, UMG is real, and these users supporting this person's claim, are not that intellectual.
Vod called me out, but he didn't support that stupid claim, backed by no evidence or proof.
I just want to say, you all are responsible, for the lack of results in the gambling industry.
You push down the organizations trying to help you, and uplift the organizations, hurting you.
That is what is pathetic in my eyes.
The lack of resolve in any of you.
The lack and ability to communicate and problem solve.
The lack of ability to weigh the pros and cons, and take a risk so you can move forward.
Despicable, and god does not look down on me. He is telling me to avoid you all, and find something better.
