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May 27, 2024, 12:39:34 AM
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The only people who benefit from communism are the bolshevik gang and their enforcers. Communism is fraudulent and only is a mask for the purest form of tyranny upon the masses. Governments need to shrink all across the globe urgently and people need to obey the ten commandments so they can prosper in a truly free society without the burden of criminals one side and the yoke of big government on the other while they get squeezed in the middle.

All marxists should repent before they join Stalin and Mao in the pit.

Quite interesting you talk about communist from a religious perspective, because it is not a secret Communism sees religions in general as the "opium of the people" or the "opium of the masses", you know. As some instrument created by the ruling capitalist churches to submit the working class not to engage in the struggle against the class system.
The ironic part about all of this is how the ten commandments of the Old testament would have been useful in the eyes of the communist and socialist regimes, since those have much to do with the communist concept of the "new man" and the "new woman", the ideal men and women who are to be within the communist society, where there is no reason to lie, no reason to steal and where all works as intended. Though, obviously from the conception of communism, the First and most important commandment could not be tolerated within a communist society, the love of God and the fear of his power over us mortals. The state and the party was supposed to hold the monopoly on the power, neither God nor the churches could.

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May 27, 2024, 12:41:48 PM
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A society without classes, private ownership, and where resources are shared by all.

People will still abuse the privilege and take advantage of it for their personal selfish interest, we cannot predict the way of behavior of people and there is nothing whereby we can use to coordinate their affairs and way of behaviors when they are not subjected to authorities and regulations, there is a way we can all live in unism if we all have ourselves interest at mind and work towards a nations building, being supportive to each everyone.
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May 29, 2024, 12:44:04 AM
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A society without classes, private ownership, and where resources are shared by all.

People will still abuse the privilege and take advantage of it for their personal selfish interest, we cannot predict the way of behavior of people and there is nothing whereby we can use to coordinate their affairs and way of behaviors when they are not subjected to authorities and regulations, there is a way we can all live in unism if we all have ourselves interest at mind and work towards a nations building, being supportive to each everyone.

That is probably the biggest issue with communism, I think. Everything seems to work okey enough on paper, but in reality when the human nature kicks in, which feelings like selfishness, greed, jealousy, dishonesty, then there is when the communist system could start to break apart and lead to Al the crises we have witnesses jn the last century.
Actually, prominent communists and politicians who are memebers of left leaning political parties, specially in Latin America and in the Caribbean usually talk about the concept of "mew men" and "new woman" humang beings being completely aware of the struggle of calls and being honest and spotless for the sake of the survival of the new communist system. We all know what happens in reality, people gets corrupted slowly and communism/socialist fails inevitable, even a superpowerike the Soviet Union could not afford to keep their system indefinitely.

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May 29, 2024, 09:11:36 AM
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A society without classes, private ownership, and where resources are shared by all.

The existing communist countries in the world almost do not claim that they have achieved communism. But they are working continuously for private society.
It can be seen that capitalist society has a special role on communism, capitalist society divides people into different groups.
 As the walk of communism can be seen in the past society and the current social system, it is expected that its influence will remain in the social system in the future.
Communism is on the one hand related to politics, on the other hand it is also a matter of economics. which plays a helpful role in making the social system a distributed form.
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May 29, 2024, 03:03:57 PM
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Communism is the basic form of government. It exists in all successful families. The dictators are the parents, and the citizens are the children.

When Communism is used outside of the family, it starts to become dangerous. But there are a few non-family places where it has been used successfully. One of them is the Hippy communes. There are other communes with Communism success, as well.

Communism works when the agreement between the people not only allows for discipline of government officials, but where enforcement of such discipline remains viable. Also, where a member is freely allowed to leave the COMMUNITY whenever he wants.

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May 29, 2024, 07:07:54 PM
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I really want to believe that this is possible. Create communism in society. But unfortunately, I think that this cannot be. People are vicious by nature. To overcome our baser impulses we need a whole life full of hardships and internal struggle. A society in which everything can be shared equally and all the benefits of life will be shared is fantastic. A person is not satisfied with a normal life. He wants more and more material wealth and power. The human ego prevents us from enjoying the world and simple things. There's always something missing to be happy.

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June 10, 2024, 10:24:36 PM
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The only people who benefit from communism are the bolshevik gang and their enforcers. Communism is fraudulent and only is a mask for the purest form of tyranny upon the masses. Governments need to shrink all across the globe urgently and people need to obey the ten commandments so they can prosper in a truly free society without the burden of criminals one side and the yoke of big government on the other while they get squeezed in the middle.

All marxists should repent before they join Stalin and Mao in the pit.

Quite interesting you talk about communist from a religious perspective, because it is not a secret Communism sees religions in general as the "opium of the people" or the "opium of the masses", you know. As some instrument created by the ruling capitalist churches to submit the working class not to engage in the struggle against the class system.
The ironic part about all of this is how the ten commandments of the Old testament would have been useful in the eyes of the communist and socialist regimes, since those have much to do with the communist concept of the "new man" and the "new woman", the ideal men and women who are to be within the communist society, where there is no reason to lie, no reason to steal and where all works as intended. Though, obviously from the conception of communism, the First and most important commandment could not be tolerated within a communist society, the love of God and the fear of his power over us mortals. The state and the party was supposed to hold the monopoly on the power, neither God nor the churches could.


"Communism" cannot work when the inventors of communism are men because mankind is corrupt. G-D is infinitely more powerful than the most powerful government and worthy of all worship and praise unlike commie corpses who will rot in the pit unless they repent and allow G-D his rightful place as the sole receiver of our worship.

Only G-D can make you live forever. Death is nothing to the one who clings to G-D but a nightmare that will not end for the one who knowingly sets mankind against him. Stalin is not resting in peace.
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June 11, 2024, 12:48:25 PM
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It will not be possible to have a society with equal classes, because the people living in such society will not allow such things to happen, because there will not be value of their resources, position and  wealth in the society.

Based on the private and public organization in a society, you can see that people use to take private organization serious than public organization, because they know that the profit belong to them in the private organization.

But if the society can agree together to make it equal in the society, it will affect the society in a positive way, but based on some selfish leaders we have in the society will not allow such thing to be realize in a society.

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June 11, 2024, 01:00:45 PM
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No.  Because not everyone in society will work toward a common / collective good.

Exceptional creativity / effort should be rewarded exceptionally. 

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^ yes tragedy of the commons  means there are those who will wreck this "utopia" dream for the rest. Anyway why should everyone be treated equally? If someone lives a life as a criminal should they be treated equal to a law abiding person or should a comedian be rewarded equally to a brain surgeon? Communism cannot work because those who become the "benevolent" master planners will always end up as despots. Communism is akin to forcing a person to become part of a community they do not want to belong to. Personal freedom along with personal responsibility in accordance with a fair and just constitution and laws that allow freedom of choice and protect the dignity of all individuals is far better than tyranny of a minority over a brainwashed majority.

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June 12, 2024, 01:10:45 AM
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To be honest with you. Keeping in mind the pace technology is advancing and now the fact companies seem to be confusing more with the development of artificial intelligence, I would not be surprised if someone had the ideas to put an artificial intelligence in charge of the management of the resources of a small local.community so see how communism, as a practice, works if the leader or the administrator of the resources cannot be corrupted by human feelings, like greed, pursue of power, envy and the ambition. It would be a machine programed to do something as do so as programmed.
Though because our knowledge in popular culture, we all know it could end catastrophically if the machine/artificial intelligence is 100% autonomous and is given absolute power. Despite of the flaws we have as human beings, I still would rather to deal with a person who is my political representative than a machine, which cannot feel or understand the same things I do.

Dystopia can be closer than be think, you know? Hopefully not.

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June 12, 2024, 08:28:36 AM
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A society without classes, private ownership, and where resources are shared by all.

People will still abuse the privilege and take advantage of it for their personal selfish interest, we cannot predict the way of behavior of people and there is nothing whereby we can use to coordinate their affairs and way of behaviors when they are not subjected to authorities and regulations, there is a way we can all live in unism if we all have ourselves interest at mind and work towards a nations building, being supportive to each everyone.

Human has been the most difficult to control, the mind is too hidden that to detect fast what it think is very hard, no laws, policy can subject people not exhibiting this character they deployed that retract unism, because everyone first thing of him/her first before considering others this is the problem, as translate to nepotism, and racism, even if the measure is on to control it can't eliminate this act because conclusion is made in the heart  . For instance in My nation many prefer to face sanction which appears less but loot the common weather if their nation, even when the sanction is equal to the offense individual choice of action differs in my opinion to control and make everything unism is to control the heart where every thought going through the heart can be visible which also seem impossible.

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June 13, 2024, 08:12:24 AM
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As a resident of Russia, I want to say that communism must be stopped. Since the beginning of the war in our country there has been schizophrenia with communism, everyone seems to have started worshiping it, it’s terrible.
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June 13, 2024, 10:36:15 AM
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As a resident of Russia, I want to say that communism must be stopped. Since the beginning of the war in our country there has been schizophrenia with communism, everyone seems to have started worshiping it, it’s terrible.

Could you please to elaborate?
As far as I know Russia is a capitalist country running a society where people get some social benefits, but still there are huge private companies like Gazprom and there are rich people in Russia, the so-called "Russian oligarchs".
Why would people in Russia want to go backwards into a model which caused the collapse of their former country: the Soviet Union?
Perhaps, Vladimir Putin wants to actually go back for their and reach the times of the Russian empire, having him as the life-long Tzar, instead the Secretary of the state of some new conmunist party.
Do people in Russia blame their current economical situation on the west or capitalism as an economical system? With the west I mean sanctions, by the way.

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June 13, 2024, 07:53:49 PM
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Many countries have tried communism and showed us that it can't work. It will either lead the country into poverty, or go through a change where the government abandons some of the principles to evolve the communist system into more of a hybrid, like China did, but this usually leads to the same outcome. Just compare three different ways communist countries ended up.

1. Poverty and isolation - North Korea
2. Evolution into more of a control state where we have classes, nothing is shared, but you still get those slogans that you should work for the common good and the working class is the most important, yet not the most wealthy - China
3. Revolution where people force the government to go from communism into socialism and then capitalism - like Eastern Europe did in the 80s and 90s.

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June 15, 2024, 04:11:12 AM
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Business society provides everything that is useful in your life that you can enjoy. Communism in Western countries emerges through all this in the use of social customs at least in social management. Although they have transformed the country into a business minded or economics lean society the existing social infrastructure is still operating socially based on communism.

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June 17, 2024, 11:23:22 AM
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Understand that the communism fanatics will eventually run out of other the rich's money to spend, then they'll come after yours.

That's why Bitcoin is so important. Most governments have already decided to create their social welfare state by creating new dollars in order to fund their welfare expenditures. Has the same practical effects as communism, except private business ownership exists. The wealth redistribution is essentially the same but it's a pernicious process, one that people are starting to becoming aware of.
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June 18, 2024, 04:25:24 PM
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Honestly,I doubt if truly communism will ever been realize.

The implementation of communism has faced significant obstacles in practice, with historical examples often deviating from the idealistic vision. Factors such as human nature, political dynamics, economic realities, and cultural differences have complicated attempts to establish true communism.
Though some have argue that communism is an achievable and idealistic goal,

but for me, I think its very difficult to predict with certainty whether communism will ever be fully realized on a global scale.
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