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August 15, 2024, 08:35:34 PM
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The greed of the west for profit is going to be its ruin.
What do you expect from a capitalist society, the motivating force has always been that of greed with an  unending drive for profit leading to competitive primitive accumulation of scarce resources.  Creating more problems than it solves.
Greed isn't a requirement in order to be a capitalist or to make capitalism work. Everyone is capitalist by nature, as we constantly seek to execute tasks to be rewarded for them as consequence. Everything we do comes with a goal in mind. If you study a subject, you expect to become wiser, if you work, you expect to be paid, if you love, you expected to be loved in counterpart. That is the basic gear of an harmonious capitalist system where every participants can be benefited and thrive accordingly to their own efforts and merits.

And even if people around don't adopt capitalist practices in a healthy way (becoming greedy abusers or cheaters), you can continue acting as your conscience tells you to do. It's not a perfect system, because it's ran by imperfect individuals, but from every systems available and tried by humans along the centuries and millennia, it's the preferable one for the average citizen who isn't partnered with any structures of power inside the local society where he is inserted.

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August 15, 2024, 10:40:06 PM
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This is not true, companies do not need more consumers, but they want more consumption. Many companies are looking for loyal users, and this is the main goal of advertising, as it increases the consumer base. Therefore, if the percentage of loyal users is 1%, the company will continue to make profits. As for immigration and labor issues, each country has its own individual situation, and it is one of the important issues that are the reason for the victory or defeat of political candidates.

What about those goods that are not for consumption? I think the Op is correct. The Western Industries are looking for more consumers to consume their goods. And I will like to add it to what the Op has said. Because of the over production of goods in the recent times the Europe and other continents, and they want to sell their products at all means, so they sponsored some bad elements in the African countries to create disorders by killing farmers and kidnapping. The capitalist system is destroying the African continent.
Herdsmen were sponsored by the capitalist from the West to kill and reduce the food production in the African continent so they the west can bring in their products. And African leaders are so much corrupt that they can't do anything to sustain the crisis. In Africa right now, we are facing "Food Colonialism". And it can you nly be stopped by closing all the boarders and produce our things.

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August 16, 2024, 06:20:52 AM
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The greed of the west for profit is going to be its ruin.
What do you expect from a capitalist society, the motivating force has always been that of greed with an  unending drive for profit leading to competitive primitive accumulation of scarce resources.  Creating more problems than it solves.
Greed isn't a requirement in order to be a capitalist or to make capitalism work. Everyone is capitalist by nature, as we constantly seek to execute tasks to be rewarded for them as consequence. Everything we do comes with a goal in mind. If you study a subject, you expect to become wiser, if you work, you expect to be paid, if you love, you expected to be loved in counterpart. That is the basic gear of an harmonious capitalist system where every participants can be benefited and thrive accordingly to their own efforts and merits.

And even if people around don't adopt capitalist practices in a healthy way (becoming greedy abusers or cheaters), you can continue acting as your conscience tells you to do. It's not a perfect system, because it's ran by imperfect individuals, but from every systems available and tried by humans along the centuries and millennia, it's the preferable one for the average citizen who isn't partnered with any structures of power inside the local society where he is inserted.
Capitalist system doesn't serve to benefit every participants in the society, it rather serves to benefit a few who posseses economic power against the multitude who don't.  And moreover, there's no system where there's no rewards pattern in respect to the examples you made above.
Greed isn't just a requirement but a necessity entrenched within the capitalist mode of production. You can't sweep it it under the carpet the fact that capitalism promotes unhealthy competitions in the society and it's this unhealthy competitions that leads to exploitation of man against man born out of the greed to have more and more. The proponents posit it to engender freedom but let's look inwardly, are we really free under the system. In conclusion, I disagree with you that it's one that it's preferably favourable to the average citizen, it doesn't

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August 17, 2024, 06:47:31 PM
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Western countries needs more consumers and buyers who buy things.
When there was 2021 then goverments and banks produced by cheap loans a lot money to business and corporations so they hired a lot people to work and ordered a lot goods from china to sell.
The Western countries cant produce babies fast enough and more as it's needed in order to have population large enough who consume more and buy more If more people then bankers can supply society with bigger money more loans and less risk of inflation.
So thats why the more people been imported in from other countries becouse UK canada Europe usa own people can't meet the demands of corporations who want to see bigger profit and bigger numbers of money becouse they also have investors and share holders who want to see bigger numbers and better grouwth.
Off course one problem brings another problem but we have to choose If we want to have a lot wealth then we have to sacrafice some things to get them.
If i would be the banker or corporation ceo and i know that mass imigration will have side effects and issues but the same time i can make a lot money so off course i will choose money and wealth If things goes bad i'll just go another countries where is nice and good society.
The goverments the political leaders the bankers and investors want to see grouwth and economic boom and profit so each year they try to get better numbers and return.
Even tho UK have quite high inflation and cost of living high the bank of england did cut rates recently yes it will make UK pound value even less but corporations want money flow.
And now we wait when stockmarket fall further in USA so USA can cut rates Also.

There is no easy Fix and everything comes with the price and sacrafices one way or another.
We choose consuming and profit others so what can we do we choose super wealth.

But Western countries people not productive to make new Young consumers so that's why country need to take in more people btw in Europe countries who did took in people the european Union paid them money also for each person who been hired for work so that's how we can keep economy growth and booming.

But the amount of money and inflation + people ratio not healthy enough If we want to continue same or more consuming and giving out more loans and stimulus packages and try to make corporations balance sheets better and more profit for share holders then it's for sure we need more people and up coming middle east war Will make a lot more to come Western countries and then we can do even higher economic boom.

The corporations want more consumers that's for sure so Any people who come it's never enough for them.
If Western countries people can make more Kids? Lol i don't think so

That the economy needs consumers is a FACT !
Let me start with a simple example from your text.
“We choose consuming and profit others so what can we do we choose super wealth.” - you are talking about some “others and their profits. And now let's look at it from the other side - and for example your business, business or even the work of your friends and relatives, will they generate income if everyone refuses to “buy for their profit” ? Production and provision of services gives the market, or rather people, to produce goods, provide services, and GET INCOME that will allow them to provide for their lives - buy clothes, food, medicine, pay for their children's education, insurance, help their parents !
Therefore, in the commodity-money model of the world (and there is no other yet), the consumer makes the economy work, and gives jobs to many people ! Just simulate a situation when your services/work will be refused - how will you feel ? Just honestly describe your actions, and what is important - the problems you will have!


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August 18, 2024, 01:45:18 PM
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Western countries needs more consumers and buyers who buy things.
When there was 2021 then goverments and banks produced by cheap loans a lot money to business and corporations so they hired a lot people to work and ordered a lot goods from china to sell.
The Western countries cant produce babies fast enough and more as it's needed in order to have population large enough who consume more and buy more If more people then bankers can supply society with bigger money more loans and less risk of inflation.
So thats why the more people been imported in from other countries becouse UK canada Europe usa own people can't meet the demands of corporations who want to see bigger profit and bigger numbers of money becouse they also have investors and share holders who want to see bigger numbers and better grouwth.
Off course one problem brings another problem but we have to choose If we want to have a lot wealth then we have to sacrafice some things to get them.
If i would be the banker or corporation ceo and i know that mass imigration will have side effects and issues but the same time i can make a lot money so off course i will choose money and wealth If things goes bad i'll just go another countries where is nice and good society.
The goverments the political leaders the bankers and investors want to see grouwth and economic boom and profit so each year they try to get better numbers and return.
Even tho UK have quite high inflation and cost of living high the bank of england did cut rates recently yes it will make UK pound value even less but corporations want money flow.
And now we wait when stockmarket fall further in USA so USA can cut rates Also.

There is no easy Fix and everything comes with the price and sacrafices one way or another.
We choose consuming and profit others so what can we do we choose super wealth.

But Western countries people not productive to make new Young consumers so that's why country need to take in more people btw in Europe countries who did took in people the european Union paid them money also for each person who been hired for work so that's how we can keep economy growth and booming.

But the amount of money and inflation + people ratio not healthy enough If we want to continue same or more consuming and giving out more loans and stimulus packages and try to make corporations balance sheets better and more profit for share holders then it's for sure we need more people and up coming middle east war Will make a lot more to come Western countries and then we can do even higher economic boom.

The corporations want more consumers that's for sure so Any people who come it's never enough for them.
If Western countries people can make more Kids? Lol i don't think so

Why do we need an ever expanding population, like you suggest? That's part of the reason that we have runaway climate change, as we deplete all natural resources and use them in very short term ways. Most people can barely support themselves these days, so it is increasingly tough to consider bringing children into the world and this is probably partly the fault of unregulated capitalism, which is consolidating wealth instead of sharing it across more people. Why should the people of these countries care that big corporation's want them to spend more? Big corporations would rather see you empty your bank accounts and become heavily in debt if it would sell more products - it's completely irrelevant to the average citizen.

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August 20, 2024, 10:56:48 AM
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Why do we need an ever expanding population, like you suggest? That's part of the reason that we have runaway climate change, as we deplete all natural resources and use them in very short term ways. Most people can barely support themselves these days, so it is increasingly tough to consider bringing children into the world and this is probably partly the fault of unregulated capitalism, which is consolidating wealth instead of sharing it across more people. Why should the people of these countries care that big corporation's want them to spend more? Big corporations would rather see you empty your bank accounts and become heavily in debt if it would sell more products - it's completely irrelevant to the average citizen.

population growth is increasing, from all of that they consume a lot of food that comes from nature, in reality green land is decreasing year by year due to development and they are eliminating the green land, which they need, with companies taking over their land for development, that's what happens.
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August 21, 2024, 01:20:11 PM
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By the way, another question - why is the emphasis on WESTERN companies ?  Smiley

In other companies - there is no need for BUYERS ?
We can start for example with the Chinese economy, which is globally dependent on BUYERS.

Or maybe someone can share the situation in his country - manufacturers do not need buyers there ? In Asia, Africa, Oceania ... ? ?  Does the market work differently there?  Smiley

PS I assume that there will be no answer to my question Smiley

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