Mark Moss discusses the future of Bitcoin

[Jet Cash]

In this video Mark Moss discusses the future of Bitcoin and the effects of Trumps tariffs and the Mar-a-Lago accord on its use and value. He compares the Mar-a-Lago accord with the Plaza Accord from 1985. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZvxHHto0qk

He makes a compelling argument for Bitcoin to 4x at least over the next year as its use continues to change as the world economies reset. I haven't been following Mark Moss, and would be grateful for comments on his credibility and opinions.

[franky1]

bitcoin can 4x without needing to link it to world economic crap or trump stuff
its called the bitcoin cycle

with the true 2025 ATH estimated for october, whereby bitcoin mining floor/ceiling costs get tested, just like the last few cycles did

[_act_]

This is the first time I know about Mar-A-Lago Accords which its aimed to devalue the dollar in the past. Another interesting thing is the dollar index which shows how dollar is overvalued and the probability that it might fall. But I know that with or without the dollar, bitcoin price will continue to increase after a long period of time but if the dollar weaken, the price rise can be faster.

bitcoin can 4x without needing to link it to world economic crap or trump stuff
its called the bitcoin cycle

This is true but it shows us how fiat is flawed as they can devalue which can also speed up the rise in bitcoin price.

[john_egbert]

This is the first time I know about Mar-A-Lago Accords which its aimed to devalue the dollar in the past. Another interesting thing is the dollar index which shows how dollar is overvalued and the probability that it might fall. But I know that with or without the dollar, bitcoin price will continue to increase after a long period of time but if the dollar weaken, the price rise can be faster.

bitcoin can 4x without needing to link it to world economic crap or trump stuff
its called the bitcoin cycle

This is true but it shows us how fiat is flawed as they can devalue which can also speed up the rise in bitcoin price.

There will be more and more fiat with less and less value in it - and BTC is still going to rise in value, no matter the case or news going alongside it, as franky said.

[Bastketsrus]

This is the first time I know about Mar-A-Lago Accords which its aimed to devalue the dollar in the past. Another interesting thing is the dollar index which shows how dollar is overvalued and the probability that it might fall. But I know that with or without the dollar, bitcoin price will continue to increase after a long period of time but if the dollar weaken, the price rise can be faster.

bitcoin can 4x without needing to link it to world economic crap or trump stuff
its called the bitcoin cycle

This is true but it shows us how fiat is flawed as they can devalue which can also speed up the rise in bitcoin price.

There will be more and more fiat with less and less value in it - and BTC is still going to rise in value, no matter the case or news going alongside it, as franky said.

Well said. Fiat keeps losing value, BTC keeps gaining — it’s just how the game is built.

[Lida93]

In this video Mark Moss discusses the future of Bitcoin and the effects of Trumps tariffs and the Mar-a-Lago accord on its use and value. He compares the Mar-a-Lago accord with the Plaza Accord from 1985. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZvxHHto0qk

He makes a compelling argument for Bitcoin to 4x at least over the next year as its use continues to change as the world economies reset. I haven't been following Mark Moss, and would be grateful for comments on his credibility and opinions.

Currently with the level bitcoin has vastly attained it doesn't ultimately requires certain influences to still get going. The adoption right now is rather relative to a moving train in which no one wants to be left out and this has nothing to do with some trump tarrif or other global event. People wants to hedge their money where value would either be sustained or improved in the future as the fiat continues to get hunted by inflation. And this ultimately is what bitcoin represents which many has started realising more than ever before. So therefore 4x for bitcoin price in the future doesn't appear unlike.

[headingnorth]

I like Mark Moss, been watching him for years. He often provides interesting insights into investing and economics.
He's one of the guys who convinced me to go more heavily into bitcoin then I was at the time.
I would consider Moss to be a bitcoin maximalist. I never hear him talk about altcoins and
doesn't take money to promote their garbage. In my book that gives him instant credibility.






 

[john_egbert]

Currently with the level bitcoin has vastly attained it doesn't ultimately requires certain influences to still get going. The adoption right now is rather relative to a moving train in which no one wants to be left out and this has nothing to do with some trump tarrif or other global event. People wants to hedge their money where value would either be sustained or improved in the future as the fiat continues to get hunted by inflation. And this ultimately is what bitcoin represents which many has started realising more than ever before. So therefore 4x for bitcoin price in the future doesn't appear unlike.

Bitcoin's adoption can only be halted, but not stopped - with that, I can go through and agree.

And everybody wants their value to be saved, not depending on the world events to shake it that much, - and BTC can provide that!

BTC is the best alternative there is.

[Jet Cash]

The interesting thing with comments such as that of Mark Moss is not whether Bitcoin will go up, but its use cases and who is HODL'ing it. Of course it is going to bob around in the choppy economic waters, but I believe it will continue to float on the surface, and many other assets will sink. What we have to  do it to try to determine the tempests, the calms and the tidal waves. This way we can maximise our holdings. Understanding things like the Mar-a-lago Accord can help us to do this. Interestingly "mar a lago" is Spanish for sea to lake, and whimsically one could say this is an analogy for investors building a lake of Bitcoin from the sea available. Unfortunately, in my case it is more of a small pond than a lake.

[Orpichukwu]

But I know that with or without the dollar, bitcoin price will continue to increase after a long period of time but if the dollar weaken, the price rise can be faster.

That's correct; with or without the dollar being devalued, Bitcoin will increase in price. Just like with or without Trump, we could have also seen Bitcoin flourishing just like before, but the only thing is those speed up the process of reaching a certain level on time.

It's just like when some people talk about the world economy crashing and Bitcoin reaching $1,000,000; if the purchasing power of $10k is reduced to $1k, there will be an increase in price of everything, not just Bitcoin, in order for things to correspond with dollar value.

[pooya87]

He compares the Mar-a-Lago accord with the Plaza Accord from 1985.

I never understood why people compare these two together. It just doesn't make any sense.
In the Plaza Accord, US regime was still considered a superpower and they basically ordered Japan and others (which heavily depended on US to survive) to increase the exchange rate of their fiat to save the US economy.

Today with this silly Mar-a-Lago nonsense, US regime is barely a regular power and they cannot order anyone to do anything let alone China (which unlike Japan does not rely on US to survive) to increase their fiat exchange rate.

He makes a compelling argument for Bitcoin to 4x at least over the next year as its use continues to change as the world economies reset.

There is a global conflict going on (Tariff war is part of it) and it causes instability and uncertainty. It is also causing recession that is deepening every day. Bitcoin can not go through a massive rise under this circumstances based on what we've seen ever since 2020 (COVID caused similar disruption and prevented big rise; NATO-Russia war caused similar disruption and prevented a big rise as well).

Going up to something like $200k is more realistic IMO unless there is a significant change (eg. heavy interest rate reduction, a massive dollar value dump, hyperinflation,...).

[FortuneFollower]

That's correct; with or without the dollar being devalued, Bitcoin will increase in price. Just like with or without Trump, we could have also seen Bitcoin flourishing just like before, but the only thing is those speed up the process of reaching a certain level on time.

It's just like when some people talk about the world economy crashing and Bitcoin reaching $1,000,000; if the purchasing power of $10k is reduced to $1k, there will be an increase in price of everything, not just Bitcoin, in order for things to correspond with dollar value.

The money being printed in more and more quantities is better for BTC though - more funds for it to be valued more in the long run.

But overall, I agree with you.