Betfury cancelled $300,000 worth of bets

[Rating Place]

holy - the above is why you post misinformation.

1. Other books don't cancel bets gone final without reasons listed below.
2. Did you ask after it went final or did you just say cancel?
3. You know that illegal rules get overruled by governing bodies.
4.You also misinterpret rules. Each leg of a parlay is an independent event. The bets not gone final can be cancelled.
5. You didn't show the question asked, except in your last image where you mention provider. The provider has 0 to do with financial dealings between player and book. The are an "odds provider".

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Which, summer child, which part is me posting misinformation? Is it the points you're adding below that lead you to paint that I mislead with information, just like I "made up XYes rules with CLV"? If any, isn't it you who snipped my post so creatively that it leads to a whole different narrative? I won't even ask you to clarify that because I know you don't have the balls to address that attempt to twist my words into something else.

So, which part is it that I am giving misinformation? I believe I've explained in abundance before. Point us out, please. But before that, to safe you from unnecessary embarrasment, have you read the entire thread like I asked you to, and understand the dynamic of the thread? How the thread shifted from one attempt to another and then back to well... it's in your hand now, not sure what effort you're trying to help the player, you seemed too busy trying to paint me a color.

1. You didn't say bets gone final. Of course they can cancel bets that haven't started. The whole argument rests on games gone final.
2. You failed to mention parlays. Once again they can cancel individual bets. Parlays are a series of independent events.
3. Somehow you brought in odds provider again. You may have to go further up the food chain if you believe your 5 sources saying odds providers make financial decisions as far as payouts.
4. Your whole post is misinformation which is why ChatGPT and Gemini gave different answers when the point was brought up that the bets went final.

@ahoy - you're correct that I embarrass myself here. $300,000 is involved. I see it as a very simple case. You seem to think that too. holy is hurting the player's case with misinformation. Every time he posts something against the player, I get caught up.

.ahoy

Betfury should pay what's owed, plain and simple. You can't just cancel parleys after 75% of the games are won.

[holydarkness]

1. You didn't say bets gone final. Of course they can cancel bets that haven't started. The whole argument rests on games gone final.
2. You failed to mention parlays. Once again they can cancel individual bets. Parlays are a series of independent events.
3. Somehow you brought in odds provider again. You may have to go further up the food chain if you believe your 5 sources saying odds providers make financial decisions as far as payouts.
4. Your whole post is misinformation which is why ChatGPT and Gemini gave different answers when the point was brought up that the bets went final.

@ahoy - you're correct that I embarrass myself here. $300,000 is involved. I see it as a very simple case. You seem to think that too. holy is hurting the player's case with misinformation. Every time he posts something against the player, I get caught up.

.ahoy

Betfury should pay what's owed, plain and simple. You can't just cancel parleys after 75% of the games are won.

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Do uhh... you read the whole thread? Because yes, you embarass yourself here by pitching in and jumping in and sprouting words that seemingly should not necessarily be asked or clarified if you read the posts on this thread carefully. The whole arguments on this thread is about the game gone final but the provider flagged player for an abuse. And that made them cancel the bets as per their ToS.

I covered it in my post that you snipped very partially, just above and below the part of the post that'll say something different, suppose you didnt fashioned it that way,

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Personally, upon hearing their rebuttal, I think that's a clever strategy and there's nothing wrong about it. But unfortunately, upon doing my own DD of raking their ToS amongst several other things, it does match the point they prohibit on 6.4.3.

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And yes, I brought the provider's call again, because apparently and in reality, that's what happened all this time. Have you read most of the threads on this board? There are dozens of cases where the root is the provider's call. Yet you still insist that their flag upon player bears no impact? The provider made the call and the casino respect the call. Some casino that doesn't agree and think the call is too harsh even created their own risk assessment team just to make a rebuttal to the casino.

And again yes, not only you embarass yourself on this thread by sprouting nonsense, you also hurting the player's case here. Not holy. How exactly does holy hurt the case? Or giving misinformation? The misinformation that you kept pushing that I do, was never proven. On the contrary, it shows you twisted words and being the one giving misinformation yourself. And holy hurt the case? holy? I asked them to reconsider three times [if I remember correctly], and ultimately went to settlement, of which player refused for uhh... I'll say his own reason.

How you hurting this case? Well, thanks to your image from AI, that now stays in public for the record to whom interested in the matter, even the AI pointed out where OP's case is rightfully cancelled by ToS. Here, I highlighted your own image for rebuttal:




Mind to be fair and neutral and type a question where the prompt "there was no cheating" replaced with "the provider flagged me as suspicious bettor"? Because, that's the known narrative here, that the provider flagged OP, so not sure why you prompt with "there was no cheating".

But don't bother, I'm doing it for you. Here, exact prompt as yours, with "there was no cheating" replaced with "the provider flagged me as suspicious bettor":

[Rating Place]

Just stop with odds provider already. It’s NEVER their call. You are posting more misinformation. The player was profiled and the book took no action. If he was a cheater, then Betfury should have closed his account. Betfury let him play. Betfury would have taken losses. It’s called a free roll. It’s illegal.

[dplay]

This does seem incriminating for the casino if they "had their eyes on me for so long" and only decided to do something about it when I won a large amount of money in a short timespan.

Hmm... I'll have to chip in as the words being quoted and used to mislead is my post here.

The original and exact words on the post, if not snipped and fashioned in such way, will tell you that the one having an eye on you is the provider, not the casino.

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and I regret to inform you that based from the information they provided, not only they have that right, from 6.1., but also further emphasized with an enough reason to void [so the call was not done baselessly or out of grudge or other malicious intent] as per 6.4.3., unfair practice, which was flagged by their provider.

They have their eyes on you for so long for the technique you're utilizing, and I'll do the courtesy of not divulging to the public of your betting strategy that they and their provider deemed as a violation. But given they've set their eyes on you for so long, that the provider flag you as a very high risk bettor, I believe you've repeat this more than plenty and fully know what you're doing.
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I read the post in between the time I handle IRL matters and re-read the paragraph and attempting it from different angle to understand how someone could misinterpret it as the casino having their eyes on you. Granted, due to the numerous use of "they" and "their" and the equivalent pronouns, the who do what can probably be misunderstood. But who I referred in that post, I think, in that exact construction instead of snipped very partially, indicates who I refer to being watching you.

From my perspective the sportsbook/casino and it's odds provider are the same thing. By making an account and placing a bet I enter into a contractual obligation with the casino, I don't even know or care if a 3rd party is providing them with the odds.

The fact of the matter remains that the sporsbook decided to do a rug-pull once I started winning a lot. As you and they say, I've "utilized the same technique for so long" but they only decided to do something about it when I won a lot of parleys.

I even asked a second "neutral" opinion,



Hope that clarifies things.

I don't know why we're involving random LLM's as if they're relevant to anything.

1. You didn't say bets gone final. Of course they can cancel bets that haven't started. The whole argument rests on games gone final.
2. You failed to mention parlays. Once again they can cancel individual bets. Parlays are a series of independent events.
3. Somehow you brought in odds provider again. You may have to go further up the food chain if you believe your 5 sources saying odds providers make financial decisions as far as payouts.
4. Your whole post is misinformation which is why ChatGPT and Gemini gave different answers when the point was brought up that the bets went final.

@ahoy - you're correct that I embarrass myself here. $300,000 is involved. I see it as a very simple case. You seem to think that too. holy is hurting the player's case with misinformation. Every time he posts something against the player, I get caught up.

.ahoy

Betfury should pay what's owed, plain and simple. You can't just cancel parleys after 75% of the games are won.

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Do uhh... you read the whole thread? Because yes, you embarass yourself here by pitching in and jumping in and sprouting words that seemingly should not necessarily be asked or clarified if you read the posts on this thread carefully. The whole arguments on this thread is about the game gone final but the provider flagged player for an abuse. And that made them cancel the bets as per their ToS.

I covered it in my post that you snipped very partially, just above and below the part of the post that'll say something different, suppose you didnt fashioned it that way,

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Personally, upon hearing their rebuttal, I think that's a clever strategy and there's nothing wrong about it. But unfortunately, upon doing my own DD of raking their ToS amongst several other things, it does match the point they prohibit on 6.4.3.

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And yes, I brought the provider's call again, because apparently and in reality, that's what happened all this time. Have you read most of the threads on this board? There are dozens of cases where the root is the provider's call. Yet you still insist that their flag upon player bears no impact? The provider made the call and the casino respect the call. Some casino that doesn't agree and think the call is too harsh even created their own risk assessment team just to make a rebuttal to the casino.

And again yes, not only you embarass yourself on this thread by sprouting nonsense, you also hurting the player's case here. Not holy. How exactly does holy hurt the case? Or giving misinformation? The misinformation that you kept pushing that I do, was never proven. On the contrary, it shows you twisted words and being the one giving misinformation yourself. And holy hurt the case? holy? I asked them to reconsider three times [if I remember correctly], and ultimately went to settlement, of which player refused for uhh... I'll say his own reason.

How you hurting this case? Well, thanks to your image from AI, that now stays in public for the record to whom interested in the matter, even the AI pointed out where OP's case is rightfully cancelled by ToS. Here, I highlighted your own image for rebuttal:




Mind to be fair and neutral and type a question where the prompt "there was no cheating" replaced with "the provider flagged me as suspicious bettor"? Because, that's the known narrative here, that the provider flagged OP, so not sure why you prompt with "there was no cheating".

But don't bother, I'm doing it for you. Here, exact prompt as yours, with "there was no cheating" replaced with "the provider flagged me as suspicious bettor":

You keep accusing me of things such as "unfair practices", "bets made in fraudulent error", "cheating or account fraud", "suspicious betting patterns", "violating rules" where the only thing the casino said was "high risk" without providing a sliver of evidence.

[holydarkness]

From my perspective the sportsbook/casino and it's odds provider are the same thing. By making an account and placing a bet I enter into a contractual obligation with the casino, I don't even know or care if a 3rd party is providing them with the odds.

The fact of the matter remains that the sporsbook decided to do a rug-pull once I started winning a lot. As you and they say, I've "utilized the same technique for so long" but they only decided to do something about it when I won a lot of parleys.

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You keep accusing me of things such as "unfair practices", "bets made in fraudulent error", "cheating or account fraud", "suspicious betting patterns", "violating rules" where the only thing the casino said was "high risk" without providing a sliver of evidence.

[snipping the irrelevant matter of LLM]

Yes, you do entered a contractual obligation with the casino, as per the part that I also snipped, of a clause where they're entitled to cancel and/or void your bets for unfair practice and/or other points mentioned.

I think I've explained what transpired behind the screen between me and BF [of which why this case needs days or weeks even and not a "five minutes case"]. They explained to me the clause breached, I [initially] argued that it is not in their clause and asked them for a refund, they reconsider out of courtesy to me and the forum [not bragging, merely stating fact as per a statement that can be observed in later communicationn they made with me that I posted as a snippet of conversation], then they come with second verdict that still the same, that according to ToS they have the right to cancel, I argued back and asked for reconsideration, of which come the third verdict and [if I recall it correctly] this is where I actually realized my oversight and that they do have the clause for your case, of which prompt me to change plan, to stop chasing them with "there were no clause in your ToS" into a settlement, to get you both to meet in the middle, in order to get you some fund other than the wagers that they've returned.

Then come the settlement attempt, that unfortunatelly can also not be reached due one side refused. And that's where I left, as I've exhausted all attempt I can [and this case is a headache to my mind] and someone else PMed me to take over upon my public announcement that I withdrawn myself.

About me not providing the sliver of evidence, it's because the statement is sealed in confidentiality "clause". Like... literally. Their final findings and verdict was poured in a document stamped as confidential, and without their permission, I can not share this.

I honestly thought that the person who said he'll take over, will get this document unsealed and published, or perhaps get a better outcome. Though unfortunately the step he do is perhaps a literal five minutes case, that is the time needed to type an instruction to escalate to higher authority. Of which... I think you did? Haven't you? Or if you have, what's the verdict of it?

[JollyGood]

Yes, I've made it clear I'm willing to escalate the matter all the way to court.

It has been nearly three weeks since your post. Do have any update with regards to taking them to court? There are very long posts full of images at times between two members therefore it is not easy for me to read through them.

From what I have managed to read and understand, it seems as though the matter remains unresolved and that is quite disappointing. It is not going to be easy to take an online casino to court therefore it should be the last resort because of the time, energy and effort (as well as finances) you have to dedicated to court cases.

I no longer carry the signature for them.

I think what they did with your case is not the best way to treat a player.

I am hoping the op gets a better resolution then he has at this point in

time.

What was the reason you stopped participating in their signature campaign?

[Rating Place]

From my perspective the sportsbook/casino and it's odds provider are the same thing. By making an account and placing a bet I enter into a contractual obligation with the casino, I don't even know or care if a 3rd party is providing them with the odds.

The fact of the matter remains that the sporsbook decided to do a rug-pull once I started winning a lot. As you and they say, I've "utilized the same technique for so long" but they only decided to do something about it when I won a lot of parleys.

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You keep accusing me of things such as "unfair practices", "bets made in fraudulent error", "cheating or account fraud", "suspicious betting patterns", "violating rules" where the only thing the casino said was "high risk" without providing a sliver of evidence.

[snipping the irrelevant matter of LLM]

Yes, you do entered a contractual obligation with the casino, as per the part that I also snipped, of a clause where they're entitled to cancel and/or void your bets for unfair practice and/or other points mentioned.

I think I've explained what transpired behind the screen between me and BF [of which why this case needs days or weeks even and not a "five minutes case"]. They explained to me the clause breached, I [initially] argued that it is not in their clause and asked them for a refund, they reconsider out of courtesy to me and the forum [not bragging, merely stating fact as per a statement that can be observed in later communicationn they made with me that I posted as a snippet of conversation], then they come with second verdict that still the same, that according to ToS they have the right to cancel, I argued back and asked for reconsideration, of which come the third verdict and [if I recall it correctly] this is where I actually realized my oversight and that they do have the clause for your case, of which prompt me to change plan, to stop chasing them with "there were no clause in your ToS" into a settlement, to get you both to meet in the middle, in order to get you some fund other than the wagers that they've returned.

Then come the settlement attempt, that unfortunatelly can also not be reached due one side refused. And that's where I left, as I've exhausted all attempt I can [and this case is a headache to my mind] and someone else PMed me to take over upon my public announcement that I withdrawn myself.

About me not providing the sliver of evidence, it's because the statement is sealed in confidentiality "clause". Like... literally. Their final findings and verdict was poured in a document stamped as confidential, and without their permission, I can not share this.

I honestly thought that the person who said he'll take over, will get this document unsealed and published, or perhaps get a better outcome. Though unfortunately the step he do is perhaps a literal five minutes case, that is the time needed to type an instruction to escalate to higher authority. Of which... I think you did? Haven't you? Or if you have, what's the verdict of it?

You are still aren't understanding that this is a free roll. BF had all the evidence and still allowed the OP to play. Had he lost a leg, BF would have kept his money. Free rolls are illegal. This case didn’t have to take days or weeks.

One question needed to be asked. If you were well aware of the players’s actions, why did you set him up for a free roll instead of banning him?

[holydarkness]

You are still aren't understanding that this is a free roll. BF had all the evidence and still allowed the OP to play. Had he lost a leg, BF would have kept his money. Free rolls are illegal. This case didn’t have to take days or weeks.

One question needed to be asked. If you were well aware of the players’s actions, why did you set him up for a free roll instead of banning him?

One, because I was made "well aware" only after I inquired to betfury and they give me explanations, not before. Thus I can't possibly, in any imaginable scenario, set him up for free roll. And two, to ban him, I believe I'll need to own BetFury or at least working as their security or compliance staff, of which I am not. Pretty much sure that two points are glaringly obvious.

[Rating Place]

You are still aren't understanding that this is a free roll. BF had all the evidence and still allowed the OP to play. Had he lost a leg, BF would have kept his money. Free rolls are illegal. This case didn’t have to take days or weeks.

One question needed to be asked. If you were well aware of the players’s actions, why did you set him up for a free roll instead of banning him?

One, because I was made "well aware" only after I inquired to betfury and they give me explanations, not before. Thus I can't possibly, in any imaginable scenario, set him up for free roll. And two, to ban him, I believe I'll need to own BetFury or at least working as their security or compliance staff, of which I am not. Pretty much sure that two points are glaringly obvious.

Bet Fury was well aware of the player’s tactics since the player was profiled and flagged as being a high risk player. Bet Fury allowed him to play and then cancelled parlay wagers after legs won. Do you consider this a free roll? You don’t need any further information.

[dplay]

Yes, you do entered a contractual obligation with the casino, as per the part that I also snipped, of a clause where they're entitled to cancel and/or void your bets for unfair practice and/or other points mentioned.

Yes, we're running in circles. They're claiming abuse and refusing to provide evidence for it. Fine if that's how they'll play it, it's only their reputation on line.

About me not providing the sliver of evidence, it's because the statement is sealed in confidentiality "clause". Like... literally. Their final findings and verdict was poured in a document stamped as confidential, and without their permission, I can not share this.

I understand that part. I'm merely pointing out the fact that claiming fraud requires evidence. You seem to call me out as a fraudster/abuser/cheater/whatever in most your posts. Yet no one has provided any evidence.

I honestly thought that the person who said he'll take over, will get this document unsealed and published, or perhaps get a better outcome. Though unfortunately the step he do is perhaps a literal five minutes case, that is the time needed to type an instruction to escalate to higher authority. Of which... I think you did? Haven't you? Or if you have, what's the verdict of it?

I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you're asking.

Yes, I've made it clear I'm willing to escalate the matter all the way to court.

Do have any update with regards to taking them to court?

It is not going to be easy to take an online casino to court therefore it should be the last resort because of the time, energy and effort (as well as finances) you have to dedicated to court cases.

I no longer carry the signature for them.

I think what they did with your case is not the best way to treat a player.

I am hoping the op gets a better resolution then he has at this point in

time.

What was the reason you stopped participating in their signature campaign?

I'm currently inquiring about the best way to go about a lawsuit.

Yes, I've made it clear I'm willing to escalate the matter all the way to court.

...There are very long posts full of images at times between two members therefore it is not easy for me to read through them.

Sorry about that, but we've somehow made a simple thing very complicated.

Here's a TLDR: The casino is claiming I'm an abuser and refuses to provide any evidence.

[Rating Place]

Yes, you do entered a contractual obligation with the casino, as per the part that I also snipped, of a clause where they're entitled to cancel and/or void your bets for unfair practice and/or other points mentioned.

Yes, we're running in circles. They're claiming abuse and refusing to provide evidence for it. Fine if that's how they'll play it, it's only their reputation on line.

About me not providing the sliver of evidence, it's because the statement is sealed in confidentiality "clause". Like... literally. Their final findings and verdict was poured in a document stamped as confidential, and without their permission, I can not share this.

I understand that part. I'm merely pointing out the fact that claiming fraud requires evidence. You seem to call me out as a fraudster/abuser/cheater/whatever in most your posts. Yet no one has provided any evidence.

I honestly thought that the person who said he'll take over, will get this document unsealed and published, or perhaps get a better outcome. Though unfortunately the step he do is perhaps a literal five minutes case, that is the time needed to type an instruction to escalate to higher authority. Of which... I think you did? Haven't you? Or if you have, what's the verdict of it?

I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you're asking.

Yes, I've made it clear I'm willing to escalate the matter all the way to court.

Do have any update with regards to taking them to court?

It is not going to be easy to take an online casino to court therefore it should be the last resort because of the time, energy and effort (as well as finances) you have to dedicated to court cases.

I no longer carry the signature for them.

I think what they did with your case is not the best way to treat a player.

I am hoping the op gets a better resolution then he has at this point in

time.

What was the reason you stopped participating in their signature campaign?

I'm currently inquiring about the best way to go about a lawsuit.

Yes, I've made it clear I'm willing to escalate the matter all the way to court.

...There are very long posts full of images at times between two members therefore it is not easy for me to read through them.

Sorry about that, but we've somehow made a simple thing very complicated.

Here's a TLDR: The casino is claiming I'm an abuser and refuses to provide any evidence.

It’s actually worse on their part. They claimed to have evidence of abusive play and continued to let you play. Even though having this evidence, you were allowed to play. After winning is when they cancelled your play. The free roll is what’s worrisome.

[marshlyn20]

They claim that OP is "abuser" based on most popular markets winnings? can't be true lmao

[Rating Place]

They claim that OP is "abuser" based on most popular markets winnings? can't be true lmao

And the confidential information is a joke. This excuse has to stop. The OP said it’s ok to share.

[holydarkness]

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I understand that part. I'm merely pointing out the fact that claiming fraud requires evidence. You seem to call me out as a fraudster/abuser/cheater/whatever in most your posts. Yet no one has provided any evidence.

I honestly thought that the person who said he'll take over, will get this document unsealed and published, or perhaps get a better outcome. Though unfortunately the step he do is perhaps a literal five minutes case, that is the time needed to type an instruction to escalate to higher authority. Of which... I think you did? Haven't you? Or if you have, what's the verdict of it?

I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you're asking.
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Oh, it was answered on your reply to JollyGood [I snipped the part as well as your earlier post as it'll be a very long quote otherwise]. To put it simply, I was wondering too if you've escalate to higher authority, like lawsuit and court, license provider, or other suggested approach by others, following the failed attempt to settle.

As for evidence, I do apologize to you that I can't help on that. If I may repeat and clarify:

One, it's because the evidence provided is understandably stamped as confidential and set to private-eyes-only, as it probably contains methods that casinos use to detect abuses. That, upon being published, will harm the casino's algorithm as well as other casinos' anti-fraud technique [call it anti-ToS-breach, if you want it to sound more neutral]. Regardless of your consent for your private data to be released or not, this data can not be released without their approval as it is their data, not yours. Might sounds a bit confusing, but I hope you can grasp the concept. This is a known concept that can be grasped by most overseers of this board.

Two, and most importantly, like I said here, following our attempt to get you a settlement, I drop everything and [still don't mean to  be rude] couldn't care less who said what and who do what and whatnot, as I focused myself to try to get your case to be closed by settlement. Of which failed.

Following that chase of settlement, I also dropped my attempt to get them to publish something that can support their verdict. And following the failed attempt to settle, someone reached me and said they will take over, of whom I had my high hope that they can continue where I left [the whodunnit part, not the settlement, as settlement was clearly already a dead end] and get the supporting evidence unearthed, as they wrote publicly that they have years of arbitration.

[Rating Place]

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I understand that part. I'm merely pointing out the fact that claiming fraud requires evidence. You seem to call me out as a fraudster/abuser/cheater/whatever in most your posts. Yet no one has provided any evidence.

I honestly thought that the person who said he'll take over, will get this document unsealed and published, or perhaps get a better outcome. Though unfortunately the step he do is perhaps a literal five minutes case, that is the time needed to type an instruction to escalate to higher authority. Of which... I think you did? Haven't you? Or if you have, what's the verdict of it?

I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you're asking.
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Oh, it was answered on your reply to JollyGood [I snipped the part as well as your earlier post as it'll be a very long quote otherwise]. To put it simply, I was wondering too if you've escalate to higher authority, like lawsuit and court, license provider, or other suggested approach by others, following the failed attempt to settle.

As for evidence, I do apologize to you that I can't help on that. If I may repeat and clarify:

One, it's because the evidence provided is understandably stamped as confidential and set to private-eyes-only, as it probably contains methods that casinos use to detect abuses. That, upon being published, will harm the casino's algorithm as well as other casinos' anti-fraud technique [call it anti-ToS-breach, if you want it to sound more neutral]. Regardless of your consent for your private data to be released or not, this data can not be released without their approval as it is their data, not yours. Might sounds a bit confusing, but I hope you can grasp the concept. This is a known concept that can be grasped by most overseers of this board.

Two, and most importantly, like I said here, following our attempt to get you a settlement, I drop everything and [still don't mean to  be rude] couldn't care less who said what and who do what and whatnot, as I focused myself to try to get your case to be closed by settlement. Of which failed.

Following that chase of settlement, I also dropped my attempt to get them to publish something that can support their verdict. And following the failed attempt to settle, someone reached me and said they will take over, of whom I had my high hope that they can continue where I left [the whodunnit part, not the settlement, as settlement was clearly already a dead end] and get the supporting evidence unearthed, as they wrote publicly that they have years of arbitration.

Why do you need to look at this confidential information? Bet Fury had the information and still let the OP play. Since they allowed the play, they have to pay winnings. Nothing that is confidential matters. It comes back to understanding free rolls. You are saying the OP can lose, but not win.