Israel murders Al Jazeera journalists

[FinneysTrueVision]

you were the one that then mentioned things like trump and syria and meanderd the discussion, but you done it with so many lies, that it needed correcting

I made minor reference to those things and you went on long-winded rants making absurd claims about how al-Jawlani has no connection to al-Qaeda whatsoever.

you are too funny. AQI nor ISI did not conceive the idea of al-nusra.
AQ leader(al-Zawahiri’s) didnt even recognise al-nusra until early 2013, after the US-UN designated al-nusra as a terror group
ISI leader(baghdadi) didnt have plans for syria until 2013 after seeing al-nusra's progress
when the UN-US designated al-nusra as a terror group, 29 syrian groups opposing assad regime signed a petition against the US designation of al nusra

There is plenty of research papers freely available online from foreign policy scholars that can debunk this with a quick google search. Here is what one of the top results has to say:

"It was these networks that Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and his deputy Haji Bakr had in mind in Iraq as building blocks when they decided in July 2011 that they would seek to establish their Syrian wing. As ISI emir for Iraq’s northern Ninawa province—arguably its most strategically valuable region, incorporating the financially valuable city of Mosul and the logistical hubs of Tel Afar and Sinjar—Jolani’s selection as the Syrian wing’s leader-to-be signified the importance given to his mission. His six co-conspirators were similarly experienced jihadi figures."

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/iwr_20160728_profiling_nusra.pdf

It’s incontrovertible fact that Jolani was an emir for ISI, Baghdadi played a pivotal role in the formation of al-Nusra, and Baghdadi appointed Jolani as its leader.

[franky1]

HAHA HA
didnt you say AQI/ISI made plans and had meetings while al-sharaa was in prison where AQI/ISI wanted to enter syria.. and yet, using your own words and that of your sources against you, this:

"It was these networks that Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and his deputy Haji Bakr had in mind in Iraq as building blocks when they decided in July 2011 that they would seek to establish their Syrian wing.

so no plans while al-sharaa was in prison. what actually happened was when al-sharaa was released, al-sharaa was compensated for his time in prison and al-sharaa's own syrian theologies made al-sharaa decide he wanted to start his own organisation to support a regime change in syria. which then baghdadi thought they could use these ex-prisoners own theologies and desires(to set up their own organisations) as building blocks to establish themselves in syria


HA HA HA, you should have also read the previous paragraph, it would have given you more context as to who came up with the idea first and who wanted to take advantage of said idea's

While this indigenous nationalist resistance was beginning to openly emerge, a more sinister jihadi trend was also beginning to coalesce. Buoyed by a series of prisoner releases in March, May, and June 2011 presented as concessions to protesters, but actually a cynical regime attempt to shape its opposition as extremist—hundreds of Syrian Islamists were converging into cells and looking for opportunities to activate their own opposition to the regime. While many went on to form nationally-focused Islamist movements like Liwa al-Islam (nowJaish al-Islam) and both Suqor al-Sham and Kataib Ahrar al-Sham (now combined within Harakat Ahrar al-Sham al-Islamiyya), dozens of others converged into more extreme Salafi-jihadi networks

as i said al-sharaa wanted the opportunity to set himself up to activate his own opposition to the assad regime
al-sharaa wanted to create his own syrian national movement.. and not be part of the more extremist transnational network

and now with that context known.. lets re-read your words you used as a quote that you took out of context
"It was these networks that Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and his deputy Haji Bakr had in mind in Iraq as building blocks when they decided in July 2011 that they would seek to establish their Syrian wing. "

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anyways, reading on:

Jabhat al-Nusra’s earliest months were therefore spent as a cellular structure focused on consolidating itself into an organized movement whilst occasionally carrying out small raids and improvised explosive device (IED) attacks against regime security forces

doing its own missions and focused on creating its own movement.. basically he was not some second of command of AQI/ISI.. he was his own individual leader

The U.S. December 2012 designation of Jabhat al-Nusra as an alias of AQI and thus a terrorist organization was met with widespread opposition protest and a week of demonstrations around the theme of “We are all Jabhat al-Nusra,” demonstrated just how quickly Jolani’s year-old jihadi movement had risen

remember how i said the US designated al-nusra as linked to AQI but 29 syrian groups protested and petitioned against that theory

.. need me to continue.. into how in late 2012 bakr wanted al-sharaa to announce it was linked to ISI(TO ESTABLISH ITSELF).. but got rebuffed.. or is this enough nails in your coffin of delusions

there are alot of things you dont know, nor want to even be bothered to even dig deeper into the context of,
such as how bakr offered more money to establish ties between ISI and al-nusra(bribes), but al-sharaa declined to even take the money from ISI in the deal of merging.. so they didnt merge, which caused more issues between the competing groups

al-sharaa was not some second in command of ISI that defected by 2013. he was never part of ISI even when bribed to try to announce a merger(he didnt want to be part of ISI)

anyway back to the topic finney wants to avoid

propaganda is a big thing, especially when they use military tactics to abuse "press" credentials to get their message out and use mis-information. this is why people need to stop just blind beleiving and instead do some research into the crap they see in social media. the so called "press" that just so happen to be sleeping in area's of hamas controlled strongholds, that abuse UN protected classifications(lawfare) for their cowardly ways to hope to not be targeted, eventually will get targeted when their tactics become a significant/notable enough to need targeting

[FinneysTrueVision]

he was never part of ISI even when bribed to try to announce a merger(he didnt want to be part of ISI)

The part I quoted specifically says he was an ISI leader in the strategically important region of Ninawa (Nineveh). The paper also mentions that Jolani and six other jihadi commanders went into Syria, acting on orders from Baghdadi to create ISI’s Syrian wing. You cannot be taken seriously if you are just going to lie through your teeth. This level of disregard for the truth puts even Trump to shame.

anyway back to the topic finney wants to avoid

I already addressed the topic. You keep doubling down on your “everyone is Khamas” delusion like a braindead, slobbering imbecile.

[franky1]

he was never part of ISI even when bribed to try to announce a merger(he didnt want to be part of ISI)

The part I quoted specifically says he was an ISI leader in the strategically important region of Ninawa (Nineveh). The paper also mentions that Jolani and six other jihadi commanders went into Syria, acting on orders from Baghdadi to create ISI’s Syrian wing.

so again you are saying pre to july 2011 he was a ISI leader...
.. reality was he was in PRISON.. and no , the ISI/AQI leaders did not visit him in prison
AQI/ISI were against america, and it was the americans that captured and inprisoned him between 2006-2011

also before 2006 he was not a leader. leaders are not the pawns that go around laying IED's.. middle men commanders send footsoldiers out to do the dangerous dirty work

al-sharaa was just a low level foot soldier before prison. not some top level ISI leader.. al-sharaa was captured by american troops when he was laying IED's on known US routes.. so he was not some leader commanding others, he was a low level foodsoldier used as an expendable pawn(should an IED accidentally go off while setting)

bakr WANTED to use ex-prisoners dreams of setting up their own organisations.. but he never got to build his building blocks.. he was hoping to get to grab hold of some lego bricks in syria and build a block. but certain people with lego in syria didnt want to play with him, their built their own lego scene without him

ISI had to set up their own group, naming it ISIL then ISIS. but bakr in the couple years of al-nusra operating never got to merge ISIS with al-nusra

try to learn more and read the deeper context. all you can ever do is misinterpret little snippets, which is where you go wrong.
even you have admitted to mis-interpret things, you even cry when things are not wrote in the way you like

try better, learn whats actually happening in the world and stop trying to twist things into fantasy propaganda that fit the idols you support.
i know you are angry that the assad regime ended due to al-sharaa, because the assad regime sided with irans regime. but get over it.
twisting a story of history wont change history. so just get over it. assads gone. its done. move on. the tehran regime is losing.
once hamas is gone and then houthi's dealt with you will have to figure out some new idols to support.

anyway back to the topic finney wants to avoid

I already addressed the topic. You keep doubling down on your “everyone is Khamas” delusion like a braindead, slobbering imbecile.

YOU are the idiot that wants to avoid talking about hamas..
YOU think isreal want to kill 2m people
what you dont reealise is that 2m ARE NOT hamas. isreal is not trying to kill 2m people.
the deathtoll over 2 years is not even 100k, not even 70k

YOU need to realise that hamas is not 2m people, but a number under 70k. and isreali is trying to target hamas.. not the 2m people

your influencers have really indoctrinated you with empty buzzwords. they have got you to erroneously believe that 2m are going to be intentionally killed..
after 2 years, the death toll is not 2m, its not even 100k its not even 70k... look more into the main majority of the deaths. and realise the allegiances, affiliations of the majority that died. you will find that its not a target of 2m but a strategic target of a smaller number that are hamas linked

the hospital that was hit recently in gaza was not hit simply because it had palestinians in it. because that hospital was not actually operating as a hospital. it was classed as gaza's biggest hospital, but lacked thousands of patients. this is because the patients were transferred as it was a known hamas stronghold, being used as an observational outpost..  and only those that were in support or aiding hamas stayed. hoping they would be safe due to lawfare tactics

the main martyr was a camera man who was live feeding IDF operations which hamas were using to plan their own operations. so it was a legit target.

wake up to the reality. stop trying to hide from discussing hamas and their tactics. i know you love them, but when they are gone who will you love next.. so just wake up that they are not the good guys

as for al-jazeera media company
the "journalists" were not fully salaried employees, no pension plans, no insurance policies.. thats right al-jazeera just pays them a commission/fee per article/story
the main "journalist" thats hyped up as a martyr is not going to have any death benefits paid to his family by corporate media
he also submitted stories to other media agencies too, but they had no employee contract with him either, so when al-jazeera tries to play sympathy of pretending they loved and adored him. reality was they were not even loyal to him,and he was not loyal to them.. they just want extra clicks by attaching their brand to his name, and he just wanted to spread a message to whomever would take it

[FinneysTrueVision]

so again you are saying pre to july 2011 he was a ISI leader...
.. reality was he was in PRISON.. and no , the ISI/AQI leaders did not visit him in prison
AQI/ISI were against america, and it was the americans that captured and inprisoned him between 2006-2011

You are only discrediting yourself further by continuing to lie. His time before prison is irrelevant to the point I was making. He met ISI leaders while in prison and when he was released he became a leader himself. This was discussed in the documentary ‘The Jihadist’ where Jolani was interviewed.

“Then, after his release from custody, Jolani became a commander of al-Qaeda forces in Mosul. What he did exactly we don’t know. But it wasn’t long before the Arab Spring came to Syria."

The al-Qaeda part is a misnomer as I’ve previously stated. It was the Islamic State in Iraq he was a part of. ISI controlled the Nineveh Province where Mosul is located. Jolani was in charge of the entire province.

Later in the interview, Jolani admits to receiving monthly payments from Baghdadi. This was not compensation for his earlier foot soldier work. The group he was a part of before prison, AQI, no longer existed and Baghdadi would have no reason to compensate him for that.

Jolani also admits to sending millions back to Baghdadi, that al-Nusra made from looting and kidnapping for ransom. Why would they be giving millions of dollars to ISI if there was no affiliation?

look more into the main majority of the deaths. and realise the allegiances, affiliations of the majority that died.

The majority of deaths are women and children. You are a really sick bastard to insinuate these people are Hamas militants.

[franky1]

You are only discrediting yourself further by continuing to lie. His time before prison is irrelevant to the point I was making. He met ISI leaders while in prison and when he was released he became a leader himself. This was discussed in the documentary ‘The Jihadist’ where Jolani was interviewed.

“Then, after his release from custody, Jolani became a commander of al-Qaeda forces in Mosul. What he did exactly we don’t know. But it wasn’t long before the Arab Spring came to Syria."

The al-Qaeda part is a misnomer as I’ve previously stated. It was the Islamic State in Iraq he was a part of. ISI controlled the Nineveh Province where Mosul is located. Jolani was in charge of the entire province.

now you are even discrediting and twisting the words of even your own source.. great comedy, but next time do better research

from being released from prison to being in syria was literally just a few months.. and you want to pretend he had become a ISI leader and controlled the entire nineveh province in iraq.. come on pull another straw and fully break the bottom of the straw barrel you are scraping

at the 20th minute. al-sharaa talks about when in prison he wrote a 50 page paper about how he wanted to start his own organisation in syria
so again no it was not some idea brainchilded by ISI

and when released from prison he sent that paper to the governing jihadi (as part of a compensation claim) showing how he wanted to use the money.
the compensation(for being in prison for 5-6 years.. not for being a footsoldier before prison) was spread over multiple months

he was not some high level leader/second in command, province governor .. instead he was a low level ex-prisoner applying for compensation and giving them his 50page paper of how he would utilise the compensation. many leaders didnt like the idea of him going into syria as they themselves had no plan for syria, so the majority of his proposal to start his own organisation got rejected and he only got the minimum.. does that sound like some high ranking second in command of ISI treatment.. nope

al-sharaa started with 6 men in syria.. which if he was supposedly some supreme leader in iraq(your narrative) he would have had thousands of men to command.. but nope. he was not bigshot ISI leader to make any such command, nor relevent enough to make such request as part of compensation application


al-sharaa had quick success with his own organisation in syria. and became self sufficient quickly. it wasnt until 2013 that ISI started to take notice and wanted to be part of it.. something al-sharaa rejected
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also that linked 'documentary' is crap.. take one example.. the documentarian at 28mins tries to show a old interview recording between al-jazeera and al-sharaa, but then cuts off to narrate about an american prisoner who watched the old interview and say his opinion about the old recording, instead of just letting the old interview recording play to hear the answers of al-sharaa himself(facepalm- bad reporting style(using 3rdparty opinion, even when documentarian had the recording he could have cited and left playing in the 'documentary')

if this is the kind of research you are doing, no wonder you get so much wrong

look more into the main majority of the deaths. and realise the allegiances, affiliations of the majority that died.

The majority of deaths are women and children. You are a really sick bastard to insinuate these people are Hamas militants.

i NEVER said the collateral damage people(human shields) were militants.. i said they were the human shields, the coerced, the affiliated, the associated, hostages, families or just held allegiances to hamas

lets use an example, it might wake you up to the math manipulation of you emotionally twisting the context
and so when iran was hit to target the nuclear scientists and tehran leaders.. when their families were hit in the same home. you want to not do some basic math to work out that 1 scientist+wife+child would also become your emotionally twisting statistic of "mostly women and children", even though its obvious that the target were the scientists and tehran leadership. yes the wife and child was not some military operative, but they were still affiliated by marriage. yes its collateral damage, but not of some random unaffiliated random person un-associated with the intended target

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i also mentioned a few posts ago about an attack at a cafe in gaza occurring a few months ago.. a hamas leading commander was there with his child, celebrating a birthday and recording it to produce some propaganda. the child was not some random citizen in the wrong place, the child was the commanders own child used for some tactic.

when a place is at war and hamas is not suggesting people leave the direct war zone, but to stay with the troops. expect collateral damage.

heck even i said many times there was collateral damage, but i also said hamas(intended targets) kept innocent people around to them to use as human shields.. or dressed up their troops as civilians/press, to try to create some emotional narrative..
..however hamas are cowards.. instead of leaving their families in safe places and have hamas troops go way to the borders or empty land to battle. they kept family, relatives, associates, coerced neighbours, hostages close by, as human shields

isreal actually bother to send warnings before doing things.. giving innocent people a chance to move. hamas however use people putting their lives at risk

what you also might learn if you tried is that hamas(gaza government) had a budget of $330m per year to spend on its martyrs families as compensation. bribing them and coercing them that they would be safe to stay at the (lawfare) protected sites with hamas. and if they are martyred, hamas will compensate their family for their loyalty to the hamas cause. the problem was these sites were no longer becoming safe sites, because hamas were using them thus making the sites become target sites.

like i said hamas tactics are the evil ones, using people and even their own families neighbours and hostages as human shields

[FinneysTrueVision]

at the 20th minute. al-sharaa talks about when in prison he wrote a 50 page paper about how he wanted to start his own organisation in syria
so again no it was not some idea brainchilded by ISI

I never said it was ISI’s brainchild, you made that up out of nowhere. What I said was that Jolani conceived the idea in prison and brought it to ISI. This is reiterated in the documentary.

Immediately after mentioning his 50-page essay is when we hear how he was an al-Qaeda commander in Mosul. The only ambiguity about whether it was ISI or al-Qaeda he was a high rank official for is due to the U.S. government wanting to emphasize ISI’s affiliation to al-Qaeda so the terms AQ, AQI and ISI were often used interchangeably at the time. While in Mosul, he met with Abu Muslim, an ISI leader he met in prison, who suggested bringing the idea to Baghdadi and establish an affiliate in Syria.

and when released from prison he sent that paper to the governing jihadi (as part of a compensation claim) showing how he wanted to use the money.
the compensation(for being in prison for 5-6 years.. not for being a footsoldier before prison) was spread over multiple months

Another made up lie. What reason would Baghdadi have for compensating someone who wasn’t in his organization until after prison. You also made no attempt at explaining why Jolani would be sending millions of dollars to ISI if there was no affiliation between them. You deflected by bringing up something irrelevant about the style in which things were presented.

lets use an example, it might wake you up to the math manipulation of you emotionally twisting the context

There is no math manipulation needed. Any investigation that has tried to put a number on the civilian casualty rate has found around 70% or greater that are killed are civilians, a rate higher than any recent conflict, except the Rwandan genocide.

[mikeywith]

A friendly reminder; the troll who goes by name Franky1 is a paid troll, he thinks it is okay for Israel to kill women and children just because he thinks Palestinians are less of human beings than anyone else, you can't reason with someone that evil, putting on him on ignore is the only way to deal with him.

[franky1]

lets again deal with finneys meandering misinformation campaign, sethim straight once again

Immediately after mentioning his 50-page essay is when we hear how he was an al-Qaeda commander in Mosul.

that was not al-sharaa.. that was Abu Muslim al-Turkmani

Another made up lie. What reason would Baghdadi have for compensating someone who wasn’t in his organization until after prison.

ha. now heres a thing you definitely dont know. and how it actually highlights something happening in gaza..
i want you to also ask why would hamas compensate innocent palestinians not part of hamas.. (as it relates to why would ISI compensate people not related to ISI)

hamas as a government of an area has a compensation scheme, which gives citizens, and troops and affiliates money for being victims, collateral casualties, martyrs, prisoners of war

you might start learning phrases like "pay to slay" once you start digging into palestinian authority(hamas) fund which sits at a budget of $330m a year for prisoners, martyrs and collateral casualties of the war in gaza.

then go dig into your mindless meander of how other countries like iraq's military government(like ISI/AQI) also have compensation schemes, no matter if the victims of war are part of the regimes or not.

You also made no attempt at explaining why Jolani would be sending millions of dollars to ISI if there was no affiliation between them. You deflected by bringing up something irrelevant about the style in which things were presented.

ok ask yourself this question. (using an example, to maybe give you a different prospective to think about) if tehran supreme leader is not vladimir putins vice president of russia.. why does tehran give money to russia
its called trade deals. and those trade deals does not mean that russia owns iran or runs the iran campaign, nor that iran's leader is some high level second of command of russia

yep try using your head, the answer will surprise you but enlighten you to many things happening in the real world. where separate regimes, different organisations do trade even if they oppose each others ideologies/plans for differently run organisations/regimes
..
(side note: you might learn how there are different organisations, factions, clans, groups... i said might, but its upto you)

lets use an example, it might wake you up to the math manipulation of you emotionally twisting the context

There is no math manipulation needed. Any investigation that has tried to put a number on the civilian casualty rate has found around 70% or greater that are killed are civilians, a rate higher than any recent conflict, except the Rwandan genocide.

as always even hamas(via their health ministry) admit their "gaza death count" death stats, co-mingles numbers of civilians, of troops and includes also the people of affiliation with hamas, including examples such as hamas troops own family members and other coerced, held hostage, human shields used as pawns, etc by hamas..

hamas's health ministry dont reveal biographies of all deaths to categorise whom was troop/citizen or affiliate, but they do admit the <70k number is co-mingled of all those categories

dont you get it yet, hamas use people as human shields, sometimes via bribes, sometimes using promises of compensations, sometimes just coercion, sometimes using threats/malice, sometimes just empty promises that they will be safe to remain beside/inside hamas operation sites(using their lawfare tactics)

EG
coercion/threats/malice= propaganda suggesting that 'evacuations are a form of genocide' and saying people should remain in hamas known strongholds and not evacuate (facepalm)

again reigning the topic back in (from finneys meanders, after i have corrected him yet again..)
al-jazeera used its "journalists" much like how Uber used its drivers. by not classing them as employees when it suits them to avoid compensations, pensions and insurances.. but when events happen that can bring clickbait to companies, suddenly they are highlighting the associations and calling them uber drivers/ al-jazeera journalists.. rather than "citizen vloggers" or "self employed worker"

[DubemIfedigbo001]

A friendly reminder; the troll who goes by name Franky1 is a paid troll, he thinks it is okay for Israel to kill women and children just because he thinks Palestinians are less of human beings than anyone else, you can't reason with someone that evil, putting on him on ignore is the only way to deal with him.

Same thing I thought when he was busy justifying reasons Israel killed over 230 media personnel's covering the war in Gaza simply because they don't want every attrocities they're committing reported in black and white. Justifying Israeli mindless killings of even those not connected to the war and blaming HAMAS involvement for all of it makes me see truly that he has less value for lives lost in the war which their killing is intentional and not accidental.

I believe if it was HAMAS doing the same to Israel, his view would not be the same.

I don't care about the war and I'm not supporting any parties, Israel is committing war crimes repeatedly and innocent people are being affected and the fact that Franky1 justifies those crimes repeatedly keeps in in awe if he's lost his sense of humanity.

[franky1]

A friendly reminder; the troll who goes by name Franky1 is a paid troll, he thinks it is okay for Israel to kill women and children just because he thinks Palestinians are less of human beings than anyone else, you can't reason with someone that evil, putting on him on ignore is the only way to deal with him.

Same thing I thought when he was busy justifying reasons Israel killed over 230 media personnel's covering the war in Gaza simply because they don't want every attrocities they're committing reported in black and white. Justifying Israeli mindless killings of even those not connected to the war and blaming HAMAS involvement for all of it makes me see truly that he has less value for lives lost in the war which their killing is intentional and not accidental.

I believe if it was HAMAS doing the same to Israel, his view would not be the same.

I don't care about the war and I'm not supporting any parties, Israel is committing war crimes repeatedly and innocent people are being affected and the fact that Franky1 justifies those crimes repeatedly keeps in in awe if he's lost his sense of humanity.

"230 media personnel".. really do try to look closer and realise though they wore a press vest for protection(lawfare tactic), not all of them were actual media personnel

your ignorance/avoidance to learn or even acknowledge the usage of "lawfare tactics" is very transparent that you wish to hide hamas's methods/operations
your ignorance/avoidance of hamas involvement in the area shows how you dont know why area's are targeted
your ignorance of international law of how protected area/classifications are dealt with shows you dont know that either
your avoidance to even check on certain journalists history, associations and ideologies and involvement of helping hamas shows you dont know much

did you even know that the recent strike at the nasser hospital was due to a camera on the roof being used to give intel to hamas about IDF movements to allow hamas to plan attacks on IDF troops. did you know who operated the camera. did you know the hospital was not a fully open operating hospital for thousands of patients, but instead a safespace for hamas and others abusing protected site laws for their lawfare tactics
(which by using sites for military actions, declassifies sites from protected to unprotected)

did you know 6 days prior to the strike on the nasser hospital to take out the hamas intel gathering, IDF and other security contractors were actually investigating the "journalists" because they were already aware that the "journalists" had certain ideologies months before, and were mounting evidence to have a strong reason why they should strike the hospitals roof to take out the camera used to give hamas intel.. it was not a mindless killing. it was a strategic strike with a intended target of stopping the hamas intel stream/gathering.. with supported evidence


i know you want people to just be submissive, not investigate, not look into facts, and just plead sympathies and cry crocodile tears, play violins and use certain buzzwords on social media.. but there are some hard truths that need to be learned to ensure ACTUAL innocent casualty numbers are minimised..
and remember.. ITS A WAR. stop pretending that its some peacetime where deaths are surprising.. atleast try to understand these deaths better to know why they happened, dont just be blind
casualties happen in war.. atleast learn about the casualties to learn that its not so peacetime, innocent, "mindless" as social media propaganda wants to indoctrinate you into

if you think hamas should get away with their actions of abusing people as human shields or coercing people into becoming martyrs, then you have no humanity
hamas dont send warnings, hamas dont help citizens evacuate from their strongholds, hamas dont battle away from family, neighbours, affiliates. .. hamas instead use the population

hamas are not some peaceful civilian government. learn their tactics, learn their processes and learn how they use people to become casualties/human shields
not all journalists are independent/unbiased fact finders, nor professional corporate media employees, some are actually doing things to aid hamas and publish their regimes messages through any/all media platforms they can utilise

i also translated what your subtly trying to say:

dont research into whats happening, dont look into hamas, dont talk about hamas, dont look into propagandist vloggers that side with hamas.. instead we want you to just cry, we want you to cry so much you are blind to facts
so please cry, we need you to cry. if you dont cry we will insult you and call you a genocidal maniac, so please cry, wa wa go ge ga ga, mummy please spoonfeed me more buzzwords to copy.

[mikeywith]

I don't care about the war and I'm not supporting any parties, Israel is committing war crimes repeatedly and innocent people are being affected and the fact that Franky1 justifies those crimes repeatedly keeps in in awe if he's lost his sense of humanity.

He is an old fart paid by the Mossad to spread Israeli propaganda and to justify the war crimers commited by the zionist occupation, the only rational way to deal with him is to put him on ignore.

On a side note, he is also anti-bitcoin and he keeps spreading fud against Bitcoin in favour of bank's money, he sides all kind of evil.

[FinneysTrueVision]

lets again deal with finneys meandering misinformation campaign, sethim straight once again

Immediately after mentioning his 50-page essay is when we hear how he was an al-Qaeda commander in Mosul.

that was not al-sharaa.. that was Abu Muslim al-Turkmani

The exact words used, which I already quoted are: "Then, after his release from custody, Jolani became a commander of al-Qaeda forces in Mosul."

There isn’t any possible way you can interpret this as being about anybody other than Jolani. It is on video and published in the transcript. If you are lying this obviously and brazenly, it’s clear you only intend to act in bad faith as an apologist for genocidal regimes along with their terrorist allies and proxies.

[YADAYADA]

A friendly reminder; the troll who goes by name Franky1 is a paid troll, he thinks it is okay for Israel to kill women and children just because he thinks Palestinians are less of human beings than anyone else, you can't reason with someone that evil, putting on him on ignore is the only way to deal with him.

Can you point out the comment where he has stated that it is okay for Israel to kill women and children? Nobody thinks it is "okay" to kill women and children or even innocent men for that matter. This is a war that Hamas has instigated. What is happening to innocent people is a tragedy. Hamas murdered over 1200 innocent people including women and children and kidnapped over 250 others. What is your position on that atrocity?

[franky1]

lets again deal with finneys meandering misinformation campaign, sethim straight once again

Immediately after mentioning his 50-page essay is when we hear how he was an al-Qaeda commander in Mosul.

that was not al-sharaa.. that was Abu Muslim al-Turkmani

The exact words used, which I already quoted are: "Then, after his release from custody, Jolani became a commander of al-Qaeda forces in Mosul."

There isn’t any possible way you can interpret this as being about anybody other than Jolani. It is on video and published in the transcript. If you are lying this obviously and brazenly, it’s clear you only intend to act in bad faith as an apologist for genocidal regimes along with their terrorist allies and proxies.

firstly the only genocidal regimes and their terrorist allies and proxies are that of tehran regime and sponsored proxies like hamas.. but now you have ran out of your own spoonfed buzzwords from your idols, so now you are taking them from the other side. aww didums. are your idols not spoonfeeding you well? should i cry for you for not being spoonfed by your idols and now you want to claim you are starving of buzzwords..?

maybe try something more mentally nutritional, such as facts. because the portions of propaganda you have been eating up the last few months have not fed you well and are not sustainable. especially when hamas are no longer there to supply you with dense treats, oops dunce tweets

to address your meander:
al-sharaa did not say the words you quote or perceived to have transcribed.. else he would say "after i was released i became"
what you are misinterpreting is the narrators words of the documentary.. where even the narrator doesnt even know what al-sharaa actually done in that time
transcript "What he did exactly we don’t know."

again realise that it was 'Abu Muslim' that was a commander in mosul... look it up

..
here is a challenge for you.
a. find the date al-sharaa got out of prison
b. find the date he applied to get compensation
c. find the date he was denied certain wishes by the compensation committee* but only got 6 men
d. find the date he went to syria

*"First, I asked for 100 men to come with me. But many leaders did not like the idea of me heading to Syria. So only six people came with me."

and realise the chronological fact that he had no time to govern/command/lead mosul (unlike abu muslim whom lft prison ears earlier so had time to become mosul commander)

realise there was no time for him to be a governor/commander/leader of AQI/ISI or whatever alphabet brigade you wish.... the only thing that happened was he started al-nusra in syria after prison. as a separate faction. which he had to find his own troops and set himself up in syria

again use a brain cell of logic(possibly more if you can find them). if he was some high rank leader he would have alot more resources to move to syria with. he would have all access and acceptance to any wish he wants.. but that never happened. he was given the minimum because he was not some high ranking member of anything in 2011.

one free tip for you, if you are really interested..
after prison, al-sharaa was not applying to be recruited into a military group with a salary to lead in iraq. he was applying as a victim of war(ex-prisoner) applying to a territories government administration, whoms committee just so happens to be a committee of military leaders of different groups.. which also explains even your and documentarian and US intels unsure nature of if it was AQ,AQI,IS,ISI that the application went to and funding(compensation) came from

its still a shame that idiots like finney waste time trying to find snippets to misinform about events of iraq and syria.. but he cant be bothered to look into the "journalists" past and motives.. yet i manage to do both correctly and informatively

so again to reign the topic back in, emphasising the point incase people got distracted by finneys meander and forgot
the strike on the nasser hospital was not some mindless random strike that just hit random journalist personnel, nurses and patients, blah blah cry me a river.. blah.. it was a planned and investigated strike using intel over many days to make a decision to take out a camera and its operators that were being used to feed hamas intel of IDF locations.

data from june 2025 had a bed capacity of 300 but was operating at 150% capacity, meaning over 540 patients.
data from june 2025 IDF gave an evacuation order of the area
data from july 2025 had stopped admitting patients

so now you know why in late august it was mostly used as a safe haven(lawfare tactic) for "press" vest wearing propagandists and "civil defence workers" where by the total collateral damage caused by the strike was only 20(comingled number) and of those 20, the numbers affiliated to hamas operations and intel gathering was not 0. meaning "innocent lives" were not 20

and with al-jazeera trying to play sympathetic melodies of violins to provoke emotions, for clickbait.. they have no compensation plan for those they wish to try to associate themselves with for said clickbait. nor did they vet many of their commissioned story submissions

[FinneysTrueVision]

again realise that it was 'Abu Muslim' that was a commander in mosul... look it up

..
here is a challenge for you.
a. find the date al-sharaa got out of prison
b. find the date he applied to get compensation
c. find the date he was denied certain wishes by the compensation committee (many leaders denied.. blah) but only got 6 men
d. find the date he went to syria

and realise the chronological fact that he had no time to govern/command/lead mosul

realise there was no time for him to be a governor/commander/leader of AQI/ISI or whatever alphabet brigade you wish.... the only thing that happened was he started al-nusra in syria after prison. as a separate faction. which he had to find his own troops and set himself up in syria

again use a brain cell of logic(possibly more if you can find them). if he was some high rank leader he would have alot more resources to move to syria with. he would have all access and acceptance to any wish he wants.. but that never happened. he was given the minimum because he was not some high ranking member of anything in 2011

Abu Muslim was Baghdadi’s deputy for the Iraq territory. Jolani was a level below as emir/commander of Nineveh Province.

It was not the minimum that he received. According to Jolani himself, ISI gave him half their income, which also lines up with statements made by Baghdadi.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/interview/abu-mohammad-al-jolani/#364

He only got six other high level members to accompany him to Syria, but once there they connected with ISI’s already established Jihadi networks. This was already covered in the source I provided earlier.

"Together, these seven ISI powerhouses arrived in Syria’s northeastern Hasakah governorate during Ramadan in August 2011 and set about linking up with years-old networks of safe houses established by AQI and the ISI in Homs, northern Damascus, and Aleppo."

You keep repeating lies that were completely debunked several pages back in this thread.

[franky1]

7 "power houses" HA - good comedy
7 low level guys(al-sharaa+6), wore bomb vests because they were expendable

ok you quoted something
"arrived in Syria’s northeastern Hasakah governorate during Ramadan in August 2011" (point D of dates i requested)

a. find the date al-sharaa got out of prison
b. find the date he applied to get compensation
c. find the date he was denied certain wishes by the compensation committee (many leaders denied.. blah) but only got 6 men
d. find the date he went to syria

now google what month he was released from prison (point A)
then find point b and c

then figure out how he could be promoted to some high level leader in iraq, and a expendable bomb vest wearing 6man team in syria

i dont need the dates, i know them, i just want you to do the math for your own mental breakdown of realising your own holes you are falling in.. hoping you can realise it before you fall any deeper (im giving you rope to pull yourself out or hang yourself, its upto you)

spoiler:
need a extra inch of rope?.. look into who actually resided in Nineveh Province and was a commander for the territory [Abu Muslim al-Turkmani]


still a sad act to see finney avoid talking about the camera ontop of the nasser hosital in gaza, avoid talking about the strategic strike, avoid talking about the operators of the camera (this topic)