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August 29, 2025, 05:22:12 PM
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With scaling solutions like Lightning maturing post-2024 halving, we’re seeing Bitcoin’s ecosystem expand beyond speculation into practical use cases—think coffee payments, cross-border tips, or even IoT device micropayments. But mainstream adoption still lags and is falling behind.

Have you started using BTC for small daily transactions via Layer 2? What’s the biggest hurdle: UX friction, merchant adoption, or trust in stability?

Let’s discuss real-world wins ( or fails)!


i have tried using lightning for small payments like coffee and it feels exciting but a bit awkward.. sometimes connecting the channels or waiting a few seconds feels weird for daily use.. i think the biggest hurdle right now is merchant adoption and most places still don’t accept it so it’s hard to actually spend.. trust is also there but people need smoother apps & clear steps.. once that improves i think small bitcoin payments could really take off
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August 29, 2025, 05:40:47 PM
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With scaling solutions like Lightning maturing post-2024 halving, we’re seeing Bitcoin’s ecosystem expand beyond speculation into practical use cases—think coffee payments, cross-border tips, or even IoT device micropayments. But mainstream adoption still lags and is falling behind.

Have you started using BTC for small daily transactions via Layer 2? What’s the biggest hurdle: UX friction, merchant adoption, or trust in stability?

Let’s discuss real-world wins ( or fails)!

Today's Lightning Network can address Bitcoin's on-chain weaknesses: transactions will become much more instantaneous and cost nearly zero. This, of course, opens up real-world micropayment opportunities, from paying for coffee and sending tips across borders to automated IoT transactions. In fact, a CoinGate report notes that more than 16% of Bitcoin transactions in 2024 will be conducted via Lightning, the highest figure so far. https://coingate.com/blog/post/lightning-network-year-over-year-data?utm_
Admittedly, there are still obstacles, such as sometimes complicated user interface (UX), the lack of a massive merchant base, and occasional liquidity issues. However, the trend is clearly positive. New wallets are emerging more easily, merchant adoption is growing, and the creator ecosystem has proven the "pay-per-use" model with satoshis.
With Lightning, Bitcoin is no longer just "digital gold" but is transforming into a global payment tool relevant to everyday needs.
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August 30, 2025, 11:28:34 AM
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There was a guy who bought beer using Bitcoin recently in a small local bar in Boracay, Philippines. He paid 1,600 sats for one bottle using Strike App which supports Lightning. It's definitely possible to use Bitcoin for microtransactions, but it depends on the adoption of such merchants if they are willing to accept bitcoin as a primary source of payment.


Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1mmxr6d/paid_for_my_beer_in_bitcoin/
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August 30, 2025, 11:45:54 AM
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The politics of on-chain scaling need a bit of context for explaining because at the time the largest bulk of bitcoin mining equipment was running from China. And China still had plenty of connectivity issues at the time.
You keep spewing lies and bullshit, even when nobody asked you anything. It had nothing to do with China. Just go away dude.

There was a guy who bought beer using Bitcoin recently in a small local bar in Boracay, Philippines. He paid 1,600 sats for one bottle using Strike App which supports Lightning. It's definitely possible to use Bitcoin for microtransactions, but it depends on the adoption of such merchants if they are willing to accept bitcoin as a primary source of payment.
This kind of on boarding best works when people approach individual merchants. If you frequently visit some places and they know you, approach them and try to get them to adopt Lightning. It is actually surprisingly easy to set it up.

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Today at 05:57:38 AM
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There was a guy who bought beer using Bitcoin recently in a small local bar in Boracay, Philippines. He paid 1,600 sats for one bottle using Strike App which supports Lightning. It's definitely possible to use Bitcoin for microtransactions, but it depends on the adoption of such merchants if they are willing to accept bitcoin as a primary source of payment.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1mmxr6d/paid_for_my_beer_in_bitcoin/

Very nice, thank you for the example. Real adoption will help to popularize BTC into masses.

Do what you must and come what may.
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Today at 06:51:27 AM
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There was a guy who bought beer using Bitcoin recently in a small local bar in Boracay, Philippines. He paid 1,600 sats for one bottle using Strike App which supports Lightning. It's definitely possible to use Bitcoin for microtransactions, but it depends on the adoption of such merchants if they are willing to accept bitcoin as a primary source of payment.


Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1mmxr6d/paid_for_my_beer_in_bitcoin/

We just didn't reach such a level of adoption yet, the broadest one, so to speak.

Everybody would still use fiat as the traditional way of things, but BTC will become (probably already is) the best alternative to use besides that, people just need to know more about it and why it can be better for them in the long run.

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Today at 09:43:38 AM
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When SegWit was about to be implemented there was a big argument about how much of a potential bandwidth and storage increase current infrastructure could support.

Those issue mentioned some time before SegWit about to be activated on mainnet. You probably refer to general block size discussion before 2017.

Bitcoin layer 2s are not bitcoin and even the more let's say promoted solutions like the one programmed by Adam Back are flawed in their design.

There's a centralised point of entry and exit for BTC in and out of this system and the issue remains that this ends up being trust based along with all the problems of centralisation.

There are so many project claim to be Bitcoin layer 2. But not all of them are highly centralized, see https://www.bitcoinlayers.org.

Remember, this is the reason we got 2MB SegWit instead of 4!

SegWit does not increase block size to 2MB. SegWit upgrade actually increase block size limit increased from 1MB to 4 million weight unit (or 1 vMB), where theoretically a block can have a size up to 4MB.

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Today at 10:38:56 AM
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When SegWit was about to be implemented there was a big argument about how much of a potential bandwidth and storage increase current infrastructure could support.

The politics of on-chain scaling need a bit of context for explaining because at the time the largest bulk of bitcoin mining equipment was running from China. And China still had plenty of connectivity issues at the time.

But ever since there has been rapid improvement in terms of high speed bandwidth penetration, and China is also a pioneering country in terms of 5G coverage. Moreover bitcoin mining has largely moved to the US now for various reasons. But even for China, lack of bandwidth would no longer be a problem.

Remember, this is the reason we got 2MB SegWit instead of 4!

As of on-chain storage, pruning is an accepted form of running bitcoin now. But even for storing a full chain of a few TBs, memory prices and reliability have improved a lot over the last few years. We could easily handle an increase in block size now. The technology is here.

Some might say that an increase in block size could lead to various parties exploiting this space, similarly to ordinals.

Well... If we're going to be adding changes to bitcoin's base layer that require a soft or hard fork, along with increasing the blocksize, we might as well cut off some slack like the exploits that allowed ordinals in the first place.
Many of the proposed solutions to address bitcoin scaling require forks on the base technology. Might as well just increase the block size, or just do it alongside these changes.

In my view though, if any scaling tech needs a fork to be usable, it mostly makes sense to just increase the blocksize and see if we really need further scaling along with that, before more radical changes on the bitcoin stack.

China’s gone, but US mining is MORE centralized (3 pools control 52% hash -Foundry, Marathon, Riot). Bigger blocks = higher node costs = fewer full nodes (2025 Core v25.0 data). Pruning is not equal security; bandwidth is the bottleneck (98% node saturation during peak blocks ). Ordinals reduced spam by pricing block space. Block size increase failed at NYC Summit 2025 - centralization risk > "simpler" myth. Run a node or admit you’ve never synced one and you have no idea what you are talking about.

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Today at 03:51:25 PM
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You are just wasting your time. Idiots like that never learn. He's been here long enough to learn, and yet he continues to post stupid lies. There are preschool kids that can tell better stories.  Cheesy

China’s gone, but US mining is MORE centralized (3 pools control 52% hash -Foundry, Marathon, Riot). Bigger blocks = higher node costs = fewer full nodes (2025 Core v25.0 data). Pruning is not equal security; bandwidth is the bottleneck (98% node saturation during peak blocks ). Ordinals reduced spam by pricing block space. Block size increase failed at NYC Summit 2025 - centralization risk > "simpler" myth. Run a node or admit you’ve never synced one and you have no idea what you are talking about.
While I generally do agree with you, I would like to see more discussions and analysis on these matter. How much is the real bandwidth consumption during maximum peak times? At what technological improvements could we consider an increase and so forth. Like a state of Bitcoin scaling yearly review, it would be quite interesting. I have nodes but on dedicated servers, where the bandwidth is not a real concern. It is different for those who run at home.

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Today at 04:31:08 PM
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Have you started using BTC for small daily transactions via Layer 2?

No. Are there many places where you can pay with bitcoin where you live? Because where I live, there aren't any. If I search on coinmap, there are some shops where I could buy with bitcoin, but they're not the ones I frequent, not my supermarket, not my hairdresser, not where I fill up with gas.
This is the case and again it is better if you live in a country where bitcoin is given a favorable ground to thrive. In my country the adoption by the government is shaky and if you transact directly from your bank account it  can get your bank account frozen since the central bank has denied traditional banks the right to trade directly with cryptocurrency thereby leaving the smaller businesses that we patronize for little transactions not wanting to accept crypto out of fear. This has also made the local business persons resistant to bitcoin and eliminating various possibilities of little transactions with it and thereby limiting us to only use bitcoin for payment of online services while we still liquidate it to fiat for our daily transactions.

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Today at 04:32:49 PM
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I was for a long time quite a fan of a "soft" block size increase, e.g. to a maximum of 8 MB (similar to Segwit2x). But now with the advances in sidechain and LN technology, I think it is no longer necessary.

The reasoning is quite simple: you should try to bundle all smaller transaction you can. LN and sidechains are nothing more than "bundling" technologies. Major blockchain state changes will still be secured on-chain.

There is however one case we may need a block size increase in the future, and we should reserve this "last resort measure" only for that purpose: post-quantum cryptography. We don't know if it will become a threat in forseeable time. But as the signatures of post-quantum algos are much bigger (most at least 5 times) it would lead to a sharp decrease in capacity if block size was the same.

Now imagine we increase block size now, e.g. to something like 8 MB. People get accustomed to this block size and eventually the blocks will fill. Then the quantum threat emerges and we suddenly need to scale to 20 MB blocks to accomodate the same transaction volume. This would be probably a big problem for non-professional full nodes. Bandwidth is improving, yes, but then your typical "home" internet plan would be consumed almost completely by Bitcoin.

And that only to be able to store every single payment in the blockchain, only to not "bundle" transactions in some way?

Quote from: HardFireMiner
Block size increase failed at NYC Summit 2025
Do you have more info about that? I fail to find information ...


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