Opinion about previous cheater but now doing good

[Xiestar]

I caught someone cheating in the past with multiple account on a single campaign. But when I check his current history, he is intentionally dodging to enroll his multiple on single campaign even though all of them has no active campaign.

Currently, he is contributing great in the forum but I’m having conscience of letting it slide due to his honest behavior now.

I don’t want to be involved on multiple account busting because it might cause someone losing his main source of income especially if the use is from 3rd world countries. I’m completely against cheater and merit farmer but if there’s a sign of betterment I do consider it.

[Despairo]

AFAIK and CMIIW, I haven't see someone forgiven for cheating in the same campaign, what I know people forgive when the case is in grey area e.g. exchange merit, ban evasion, bought account etc. When someone ever cheating, it's like people will see them as a cheater forever.

So if you bust them, then you would see negative feedback on their accounts.

But wait, you said all of them aren't in campaign, why you worried if this forum are their main source of income?

[julerz12]

I caught someone cheating in the past with multiple account on a single campaign. But when I check his current history, he is intentionally dodging to enroll his multiple on single campaign even though all of them has no active campaign.

Currently, he is contributing great in the forum but I’m having conscience of letting it slide due to his honest behavior now.

I don’t want to be involved on multiple account busting because it might cause someone losing his main source of income especially if the use is from 3rd world countries. I’m completely against cheater and merit farmer but if there’s a sign of betterment I do consider it.

People make mistakes, some might be intentional like cheating but all of us do learn from our mistakes ( at least to those who are sincere with changing their bad behavior ). So, if he/she is doing good things now and contributing to the community, a neutral tag can't hurt, just a little reminder for them to keep up the good work and not stray back into doing mischievous things here in the forum.
Also, it might be best to archive whatever proof you have from his/her previous cheating, so when the time comes that he/she decides to do it again, you have multiple proofs that will allow DTs to tag him/her.

[ABCbits]

Responding the thread title, IMO it heavily comes down to the campaign manager. Some may not want to take risk accepting someone with bad history or hesistant to accept someone who received negative feedback or neutral feedback about questionable behavior.

And regarding income, AFAIK there are few campaign that still accept account with negative feedback.

AFAIK and CMIIW, I haven't see someone forgiven for cheating in the same campaign, what I know people forgive when the case is in grey area e.g. exchange merit, ban evasion, bought account etc. When someone ever cheating, it's like people will see them as a cheater forever.

FYI, ban evasion isn't allowed by this forum. So IMO such case isn't in grey area.

25. Ban evasion (using or creating accounts while one of your accounts is banned) is not allowed.[e]

[lovesmayfamilis]

While many believe people don't change, over time, we see countless examples that disprove this. If this user now lives by the forum rules, has changed, and isn't harming anyone, why should you care? We're all imperfect, and everyone is entitled to make mistakes. Fraud is frowned upon, but I think, author, you understand perfectly well that by catching one scammer with multiple accounts who has changed their behavior, you haven't seen dozens of others who still ignore the rules. Therefore, it's better to celebrate one reformed user, because the forum is full of those who are much worse.

[Odohu]

So the essence of your post is that a cheater can actually repent and start living upright not that you want to report the actions of the person. That is fine and commendable if the person actually changed for good. Let me know, if tomorrow you see such person going back to his old ways of cheating, will you bring the evidence forward, that is if what you have is real evidence and not just emotional suspicion?

[Xiestar]

While many believe people don't change, over time, we see countless examples that disprove this. If this user now lives by the forum rules, has changed, and isn't harming anyone, why should you care? We're all imperfect, and everyone is entitled to make mistakes. Fraud is frowned upon, but I think, author, you understand perfectly well that by catching one scammer with multiple accounts who has changed their behavior, you haven't seen dozens of others who still ignore the rules. Therefore, it's better to celebrate one reformed user, because the forum is full of those who are much worse.

Precisely, this is the angle I’m looking for before busting an account. On this scenario he is not cheating for a long time until now as I observe his participation on campaigns behavior using his alt account unlike the merit whores that fearlessly joined same campaign because they knew there’s no evidence for them to be bust.

But wait, you said all of them aren't in campaign, why you worried if this forum are their main source of income?

What I’m trying to emphasize is they are joining on different campaign even if all the accounts doesn’t have campaign. They are dodging to participate on same campaign unlike cheaters that apply all account on same campaign for higher acceptance rate.

That’s the reason I conclude that he is avoiding to cheat on campaign. Accounts is now joined on Hhampuz campaign most of it but I don’t want to bust it now as he is a good contributor.

So the essence of your post is that a cheater can actually repent and start living upright not that you want to report the actions of the person. That is fine and commendable if the person actually changed for good. Let me know, if tomorrow you see such person going back to his old ways of cheating, will you bring the evidence forward, that is if what you have is real evidence and not just emotional suspicion?

100% gonna bust him. Already archived all the proof.

[KingsDen]

While many believe people don't change, over time, we see countless examples that disprove this. If this user now lives by the forum rules, has changed, and isn't harming anyone, why should you care? We're all imperfect, and everyone is entitled to make mistakes. Fraud is frowned upon, but I think, author, you understand perfectly well that by catching one scammer with multiple accounts who has changed their behavior, you haven't seen dozens of others who still ignore the rules. Therefore, it's better to celebrate one reformed user, because the forum is full of those who are much worse.

Sometimes it's impatient and greed that makes people cheat as enrolling their alts in the same campaign.
Afaik, there are no hard rules in the forum, but I wonder why people don't keep to a simple rule. Just because there's an open slot doesn't mean the person should bring in their alts. There are alot of other campaigns they can enrol in.

Meanwhile, no one  as you said is perfect, but it's not always easy for a notorious cheat to repent, especially when anchored on greed and not ignorance.

[lovesmayfamilis]

While many believe people don't change, over time, we see countless examples that disprove this. If this user now lives by the forum rules, has changed, and isn't harming anyone, why should you care? We're all imperfect, and everyone is entitled to make mistakes. Fraud is frowned upon, but I think, author, you understand perfectly well that by catching one scammer with multiple accounts who has changed their behavior, you haven't seen dozens of others who still ignore the rules. Therefore, it's better to celebrate one reformed user, because the forum is full of those who are much worse.

Precisely, this is the angle I’m looking for before busting an account. On this scenario he is not cheating for a long time until now as I observe his participation on campaigns behavior using his alt account unlike the merit whores that fearlessly joined same campaign because they knew there’s no evidence for them to be bust.

If you're on his side and want to help him avoid being cheated, simply tag him on his trust page, showing his other accounts. This will protect him from the temptation to apply for the same company signature. Knowing that his alts are publicly known will also help him stay on track and participate honestly in forum discussions. Otherwise, you're acting like a hunter. Sometimes, only revealing their secrets can save people from their own greed.

[FinneysTrueVision]

I have found some accounts before who were doing something similar but I chose to keep the information private because they weren’t abusing the merit system and weren’t enrolling their alts in the same campaign. There are much more serious offenders out there that I wouldn’t out someone just for having multiple accounts. It is actually somewhat impressive how some people can manage multiple accounts here on Bitcointalk and a few more on Altcoinstalks without resorting to AI and still making posts that are of passable quality.

[yahoo62278]

While many believe people don't change, over time, we see countless examples that disprove this. If this user now lives by the forum rules, has changed, and isn't harming anyone, why should you care? We're all imperfect, and everyone is entitled to make mistakes. Fraud is frowned upon, but I think, author, you understand perfectly well that by catching one scammer with multiple accounts who has changed their behavior, you haven't seen dozens of others who still ignore the rules. Therefore, it's better to celebrate one reformed user, because the forum is full of those who are much worse.

Do you really feel like they are reformed though? That's the big question. Most people who are scamming, stealing, cheating are doing so due to circumstances. If you have knowledge of someone engaging in these activities but notice they have change their behavior, then likely circumstances have changed.

What happens when circumstances change again? Will they revert back to their previous behavior? Most likely yes, but in some rare instances there is true reform.

How many accounts have been tagged for cheating and we never see the tag removed? Those users aren't truly gone from the forum, they just create new accounts and do better to not get caught. Sometimes they hide for awhile and some are caught quick.

OP it sounds like you may know this person and interact with them? Is that a fair assessment? I cannot tell you to burn the person, that is your own moral dilemma but I would ask that as soon as you notice a change in behavior that you consider posting all the proof and protecting the forum from the chaos that may ensue.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Do you really feel like they are reformed though? That's the big question. Most people who are scamming, stealing, cheating are doing so due to circumstances. If you have knowledge of someone engaging in these activities but notice they have change their behavior, then likely circumstances have changed.

That's right, I completely agree. Having accidentally checked one account, my opinion literally changed on the fly. Although this is probably another case, nevertheless, in this situation, I would also like to know how it happened that an account with someone else's wallet number was registered before the owner's.


I also sent a PM to one account and would like to ask if the two accounts are owned by the same user. You can answer here.


https://ninjastic.space/addresses?address=bc1qfynutjj26thyyt7d6ec6cnqkma60kqht82rfyw

https://ninjastic.space/post/62793325


https://ninjastic.space/post/62792838


   @hafiztalha    @Unknown Op

[Xiestar]

While many believe people don't change, over time, we see countless examples that disprove this. If this user now lives by the forum rules, has changed, and isn't harming anyone, why should you care? We're all imperfect, and everyone is entitled to make mistakes. Fraud is frowned upon, but I think, author, you understand perfectly well that by catching one scammer with multiple accounts who has changed their behavior, you haven't seen dozens of others who still ignore the rules. Therefore, it's better to celebrate one reformed user, because the forum is full of those who are much worse.

Precisely, this is the angle I’m looking for before busting an account. On this scenario he is not cheating for a long time until now as I observe his participation on campaigns behavior using his alt account unlike the merit whores that fearlessly joined same campaign because they knew there’s no evidence for them to be bust.

If you're on his side and want to help him avoid being cheated, simply tag him on his trust page, showing his other accounts. This will protect him from the temptation to apply for the same company signature. Knowing that his alts are publicly known will also help him stay on track and participate honestly in forum discussions. Otherwise, you're acting like a hunter. Sometimes, only revealing their secrets can save people from their own greed.

Since I already started this thread, I’m hesitant because DT might tagged him for cheating because we have different opinion and principle on how we can use the trust system.

Even I received a neutral feedback for a post that directly against a DT even though I’m not showing any negative remarks.

I’m glad to receive a support from a user like you that is good on hunting multiple account have a consideration like this when giving trust feedback.

OP it sounds like you may know this person and interact with them? Is that a fair assessment? I cannot tell you to burn the person, that is your own moral dilemma but I would ask that as soon as you notice a change in behavior that you consider posting all the proof and protecting the forum from the chaos that may ensue.

I don’t interact to this user but I frequently read his post which is worthy of my time reading.

It’s just a waste to nuke the account and lower a poster that contribute organically rather than bunch of accounts that merit whoring and post bullshit post on cricket / football thread.

[Unknown Op]

That's right, I completely agree. Having accidentally checked one account, my opinion literally changed on the fly. Although this is probably another case, nevertheless, in this situation, I would also like to know how it happened that an account with someone else's wallet number was registered before the owner's.


I also sent a PM to one account and would like to ask if the two accounts are owned by the same user. You can answer here.

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Sorry dear, I was little busy!

Hahaha that is very old story. Let me explain. I mostly do trades with my community, we have group on TG too.

As far as I remember, something happened that time, hafiztalha wanted to exchange some local money for btc. He sent me address and I copied it for sending btc to him. I also had my own personal address pinned to apply for campaigns easily.

At that time Sinbad Mixer Campaign had opened slots I applied quickly and I remember that I mistakenly pasted his(hafiztalha) address . After that, hafiztalha messaged me and told me I used his address in my application mistakenly. Then I immediately deleted my application.