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November 21, 2025, 12:51:14 PM
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Exchanges and brokers now need to go through strict registration, KYC, AML checks, and more compliance stuff. They say its necessary as it brings protection[[[?]]]]] and legitimacy, but at what cost? These rules slowly kill what made crypto special which is freedom and privacy.

And honestly, it really feels like the more they regulate the market, the less control we actually have over our own money, and its no longer different in banking with fiat. 


This thread and it contained articles rised my very big concerns about adaptation of bitcoin and users "privacies" which eliminations of third party was a core mechanism factor of the blockchain.
To make this short, we can not keep a 100% anonymity with our bitcoin rather, we can only keep self custody of our funds in the decentralized networks. So those with the mentality that you would own bitcoin without the awareness of the public or anyone should take note because, there is absolutely no way you can purchase bitcoin without atleast minimal revealing of your identity or kyc.

This reason is also why scammers can not go scot free when the authorities is actually ready to fish you out where criminal believes bitcoin is a scam free monetary technology.
Non-custodial is the main thing where authority does not decide how you uses your funds while you can not keep total anonymity if you must transact on the p2p.
There are still possible ways to spend bitcoin without revealing your identity which is by using decentralized wallets and trying to make all your payments and transactions through crypto and secondly, if you need to sell, there are people who are ready to risk their identity and maybe you can deal with those people as well and this two guides, can help you stay anonymous while using your bitcoin.
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November 21, 2025, 01:02:27 PM
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This is also part of a misunderstanding of people's discussions, as we clearly state that face-to-face trading is not a safe option for some people living in crime-ridden areas, and conversely, some people prefer to use exchanges as a place to transact. If you were more discerning, perhaps we never mentioned exchanges as a safe place to store assets, but rather, we were discussing a place to conduct transactions. This is another fallacy that may not follow the previous discussion, and you simply say exchanges are not a safe place to store assets, but we didn't discuss that?
Your post clearly states that face to face trades don't provide safety guarantees which creates an implication that this is the case with a CEX. Neither for transacting nor for storing things does a CEX provide any guarantees. A CEX could go bankrupt the moment you deposit something on it. Many have suffered this issue in the past. Therefore, you are creating FUD about face to face trades using a baseless argument. Furthermore, since a CEX has financial data and your KYC -- once it gets hacked then you are fully exposed to thousands or hundreds of thousands of bad individuals around the world. This is not the case with a face to face trade, where your exposure is very limited to a single individual or group of individuals.

This is also completely misplaced in responding to other people's discussions because you're trying to explain something we haven't discussed. I also mentioned that the decision is ultimately up to each individual, and not everyone has to follow me or you. The title clearly states "bitcoin provides self-custody, not anonymity." Are we talking about asset security for CEX users specifically? Isn't that broader for face-to-face affiliated trading and CEX users?
No. It is fine to respond to any sub discussion as long as it is relevant to the original topic. Practically every single person that said something bad about peer-to-peer trades is mistaken, and I am here to highlight that. Anonymity is given in a face-to-face trade and not in a CEX trade. You are exchanging your actual personal data, for your face which someone will forget in a week. Furthermore, the other party does not know whether you are the owner of the funds or you are just a carrier of the money. It is clear that none of you have any idea how P2P works in reality or how large OTC deals are settled this way. Because of that you should stop talking about these things until you gain some practical experience about these subjects.

Perhaps you yourself also use an exchange to conduct a series of transactions, but because you act as if you want to maintain privacy, you don't reveal it. I am not that hypocritical and have also used the exchange for a series of transactions, but I have never stored assets on the exchange. That it means?
No. I have never and will never do any KYC. I have never had a CEX account and I will never have one. I exclusively deal with peer to peer, which is why I know what I am talking about and other users are talking bullshit about things that they don't understand.

There are still possible ways to spend bitcoin without revealing your identity which is by using decentralized wallets and trying to make all your payments and transactions through crypto and secondly, if you need to sell, there are people who are ready to risk their identity and maybe you can deal with those people as well and this two guides, can help you stay anonymous while using your bitcoin.
Using a "decentralized wallet" does not help if you funded it from a place where you used your identity. All someone needs to connect the dots is access to 1 database of information.

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November 21, 2025, 01:18:44 PM
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Exchanges and brokers now need to go through strict registration, KYC, AML checks, and more compliance stuff. They say its necessary as it brings protection[[[?]]]]] and legitimacy, but at what cost? These rules slowly kill what made crypto special which is freedom and privacy.

And honestly, it really feels like the more they regulate the market, the less control we actually have over our own money, and its no longer different in banking with fiat. 


This thread and it contained articles rised my very big concerns about adaptation of bitcoin and users "privacies" which eliminations of third party was a core mechanism factor of the blockchain.
To make this short, we can not keep a 100% anonymity with our bitcoin rather, we can only keep self custody of our funds in the decentralized networks. So those with the mentality that you would own bitcoin without the awareness of the public or anyone should take note because, there is absolutely no way you can purchase bitcoin without atleast minimal revealing of your identity or kyc.

This reason is also why scammers can not go scot free when the authorities is actually ready to fish you out where criminal believes bitcoin is a scam free monetary technology.
Non-custodial is the main thing where authority does not decide how you uses your funds while you can not keep total anonymity if you must transact on the p2p.
You are absolutely right, people complain about stuff they really never fully understood before going into it, personally, I've never known bitcoin to be an anonymity coin, we have anonymity coins like (sorry but I can't even remember the name of any of them), bitcoin from inception has never been about anonymity or privacy, it's all been about self-custody and freedom..

Even before exchanges start this whole kyc thing, we used to trade p2p between ourselfs locally, and when i was to receive bitcoin from a fellow trader, I will have to send him or her my bitcoin address, that trader can decide to scan my address and know how many bitcoin I own, he or she can even keep a tab on that and freely monitor my inflow and outflow of bitcoin on that address , this completely shows that bitcoin was not created/built with holder's privacy in mind, the core feature of bitcoin is self-custody, which simply means that, people can see how much bitcoin you have, but can not have access to it, not even the government.

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November 21, 2025, 01:19:47 PM
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There are still possible ways to spend bitcoin without revealing your identity which is by using decentralized wallets and trying to make all your payments and transactions through crypto and secondly, if you need to sell, there are people who are ready to risk their identity and maybe you can deal with those people as well and this two guides, can help you stay anonymous while using your bitcoin.

Decentralized wallets? You meant services? Wink

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November 21, 2025, 02:35:35 PM
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Even if you decide not to use exchanges for the purchase of crypto, the persons from which you get to buy from may later turn out to be the people who will become the track upon which you will be traced, so we are almost at the verge of complete loss of anonymity.

Are you saying if you buy Bitcoin from  centralized exchange and then decide to send it for me after offering a service for you, the transaction can be trace back to me? Perhaps yes to the address you sent the coin but it can't be trace back to me unless the address I sent to you is link to a centralized exchangs. You can't traced what is not identified but if my address is link to an exchange(centralized in this case) I may be track but even in decentralize I still stand a chance to be private.

Every well understand bitcoineer should have to understand that bitcoin is not just made for invest but to keep Privacies but that it anonymous part of purpose for ruined due to most adoptors are not concerned about the anonymity as they believes that when bitcoin is legal in their respective countries, they'd have nothing to hide about so, they mostly uses the bitcoin to generate incomes which using the centralized exchanges to do their transactions feels better with the low transaction fees and how they can possibly trade their funds. Most especially why they don't care about keep the anonymity is because, they think the KYC requirements in the exchange built a reliable trust because they are still fond of believing regulations is safer.

An average Joe doesn't care but maybe people don't see the need, just normal Joe that have money so where want to buy Bitcoin and sell when the price is high, pay up some tax and enjoys his money, he is happy for the profit and the government is happy for the tax. However, there are profiles that value their privacy, some countries are full of terror government that doesn't like some people, there is no freedom of investments without you becoming a suspect, some government don't want to see Bitcoin because of sponsorship by external organizations that will push unsolicited agendas to their country. You have to protect your privacy to be able to do all this without raising government eyebrows.


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November 21, 2025, 02:46:00 PM
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Even if you decide not to use exchanges for the purchase of crypto, the persons from which you get to buy from may later turn out to be the people who will become the track upon which you will be traced, so we are almost at the verge of complete loss of anonymity.

Are you saying if you buy Bitcoin from  centralized exchange and then decide to send it for me after offering a service for you, the transaction can be trace back to me? Perhaps yes to the address you sent the coin but it can't be trace back to me unless the address I sent to you is link to a centralized exchangs. You can't traced what is not identified but if my address is link to an exchange(centralized in this case) I may be track but even in decentralize I still stand a chance to be private.

If we are paranoid for each transaction we would do, there would be no point to use crypto, imo.. It should be something that eliminates extra steps and bureaucracy.. not add it back up Cool
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November 21, 2025, 04:17:51 PM
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Even if you decide not to use exchanges for the purchase of crypto, the persons from which you get to buy from may later turn out to be the people who will become the track upon which you will be traced, so we are almost at the verge of complete loss of anonymity.

Are you saying if you buy Bitcoin from  centralized exchange and then decide to send it for me after offering a service for you, the transaction can be trace back to me? Perhaps yes to the address you sent the coin but it can't be trace back to me unless the address I sent to you is link to a centralized exchangs. You can't traced what is not identified but if my address is link to an exchange(centralized in this case) I may be track but even in decentralize I still stand a chance to be private.


Zigabel is saying the fact which explains that nomatter how you manage to buy crypto coin whether on chain or off chain because, either you purchase the crypto, your Kyc will either be revealed on exchange or face-to-face trade on non custodial wallet could archive some spot of trace to you that is tending to say anonymous.
And yes, I agree with him because you can only buy crypto when you show interest towards the other party who is selling. So through the endeavoured of the other seller, the buyer can actually have some drip of trace.

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There is nothing to be paranoid about. Expecting to have anonymity while regularly buying and paying with crypto could be limited.



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November 21, 2025, 07:29:01 PM
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It's good to see that we can still all agree to same point of no 100 % anonymity whether using the on-chain or off-chain networks. Just as long you are transacting with bitcoin on the regular basis.
So even if you have to buy bitcoins without the Cex, buying by offline p2p may be achieved by recommendation or one-on-one transactions without an intermediary party, but you must in anyhow be disclosing your ID to build that trust or aligning together before executing the transactions. This reference is mostly effective when there is buyer and a seller of bitcoin.
That's the reason why all bitcoin transactions can be tracked. It might take some time but yes they can surely be tracked giving us no anonymity until and unless any mixers are used. Using mixer is anyways not allowed in most part of countries and that will only arise questions about the ingenuity of the funds and might even raise some serious concerns from the authorities. With bitcoins, it is quite difficult to stay anonymous now but we still have full control over our funds.

If we are compliant with the rules and regulations than there is nothing to worry about. If in case any illicit funds are linked to our bitcoin wallet than we might end up in trouble if not now than maybe in future.

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If we are compliant with the rules and regulations than there is nothing to worry about. If in case any illicit funds are linked to our bitcoin wallet than we might end up in trouble if not now than maybe in future.

Yeah, sure.  But thats not the main point. Yes, you are in charge of your keys and money, and no bank can seize them.  But if you deal with companies that follow the rules, you dont really have privacy.  Having control is good, but it does not shield you from scrutiny.  Compliance doesnt matter if your coins are suddenly flagged as being "tainted".  Even if you have done nothing wrong, it could be tough to prove to an exchange or regulator where your money came from.


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If we are compliant with the rules and regulations than there is nothing to worry about. If in case any illicit funds are linked to our bitcoin wallet than we might end up in trouble if not now than maybe in future.
If you are compliant with regulations, there might be nothing to worry about now how about in future. Let's not forget new rules are made every time and the regulators are more concerned about control and don't really care about the holders' safety, they could wake up any day and bind the law in respect to how it could favour them, the best way to have nothing to worry about is just to stay safe out from the reach of the regulators, if you can avoid linking what ever you own directly to your real life identity.

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November 22, 2025, 01:54:30 AM
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It is very good and important fact that Bitcoin is actually coin of keeping your own money and being open, other than anonymity. You are correct that Bitcoin is using false name, meaning your real name is separate from your address, but all transactions and address balances are open on network, and anyone can watch your money flow, if they know your address. Keeping your own money is real worth of Bitcoin because even though they can see how much you have in terms of BTC, they cannot get to it not even the government if you keep your keys safe, and you can move your money wherever you want without any bank.

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November 22, 2025, 06:11:03 AM
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If we are compliant with the rules and regulations than there is nothing to worry about. If in case any illicit funds are linked to our bitcoin wallet than we might end up in trouble if not now than maybe in future.

Yeah, sure.  But thats not the main point. Yes, you are in charge of your keys and money, and no bank can seize them.  But if you deal with companies that follow the rules, you dont really have privacy.  Having control is good, but it does not shield you from scrutiny.  Compliance doesnt matter if your coins are suddenly flagged as being "tainted".  Even if you have done nothing wrong, it could be tough to prove to an exchange or regulator where your money came from.


Privacy is dead, at this point we might need to settle with regulatory compliant transparent ledger with anonymity to certain extent and I think we're already doing that by using exchange.

The tainted bitcoin thing is really silly for sure but it's just a way for a company to not get entangled into some regulatory problem.

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