SCAMMER - AuroraTrade

[Harderfaster]

What happened:
Scammer answered to my add where I was buying 0.05 btc over paypal. He wanted it to be sent as gift, and that wasnt a problem for me. He said to tell him when I send the money, so he can send btc. I have sent the money and he has not responded since. I have sent him multiple PMs asking him if he will send the btc or not, or if there is any problem at his side. Also I warned him that it seems to me that this is a scam since the time is passing and he isnt responding. (he was online all the time). At the end I gave him additional 30 minutes to send the promised btc. He went offline. The time passed, he came back online, but no answer and no btc from him.
Scammers Profile Link
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=262295
Amount Scammed:
25 usd
Payment Method:
paypal
Additional Notes:

[KWH]

What happened::
Scammer answered to my add where I was buying 0.05 btc over paypal. He wanted it to be sent as gift, and that wasnt a problem for me. He said to tell him when I send the money, so he can send btc. I have sent the money and he has not responded since. I have sent him multiple PMs asking him if he will send the btc or not, or if there is any problem at his side. Also I warned him that it seems to me that this is a scam since the time is passing and he isnt responding. (he was online all the time). At the end I gave him additional 30 minutes to send the promised btc. He went offline. The time passed, he came back online, but no answer and no btc from him.
Scammers Profile Link
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=262295
Amount Scammed:
25 usd
Payment Method:
paypal
Additional Notes:

You need to list more information. PMs, TX IDs, PP transactions.
You made a bunch of mistakes yourself in this trade, I hope you learned from them.

[Harderfaster]

I will once the paypal closes the investigation.
And today/tomorrow I will post PMs.
There was no TxIds since no btc was sent.

I dont see any mistake that I have made in this..Only one (maybe) is that I payed first, but if you have any advice how this could ve gone safer, please share. (Escrow, I dont think would be worth it case of the small amount)

[KWH]

I will once the paypal closes the investigation.
And today/tomorrow I will post PMs.
There was no TxIds since no btc was sent.

I dont see any mistake that I have made in this..Only one (maybe) is that I payed first, but if you have any advice how this could ve gone safer, please share. (Escrow, I dont think would be worth it case of the small amount)

1. You sent first
2. You sent first to a newbie
3. You sent as gift/used PayPal
4. You didn't consider his negative Trust

Don't expect any help from PP.

[Harderfaster]

I am a newbie also.
And he didnt have negative trust until I gave him one.
I still appreciate advice, from 3 trades I had, one went smoothly, first was also a scamming attempt.
Now I will definitely trade only if other party sends first.

[KWH]

I am a newbie also.
And he didnt have negative trust until I gave him one.

You better look again. Click on Untrusted Feedback. Was flagged on 03/05/2014.

[Harderfaster]

Yeah you re right...damn I am blind..
Hope paypal fixes this.

[KWH]

Yeah you re right...damn I am blind..
Hope paypal fixes this.

If you mentioned Bitcoin, highly doubtful. If you funded your payment via credit card, you need to file with them also.

[Harderfaster]

nope just sent as gift thats it.

[KWH]

nope just sent as gift thats it.

Good luck to you. I would strongly suggest not to use PP in the future for these transactions.

[Harderfaster]

nope just sent as gift thats it.

Good luck to you. I would strongly suggest not to use PP in the future for these transactions.

Thank you.
Last time I was scammed it worked..that is actually the reason I still trust paypal.
Hope it will work now also.

[Tomatocage]

I am a newbie also.
And he didnt have negative trust until I gave him one.
I still appreciate advice, from 3 trades I had, one went smoothly, first was also a scamming attempt.
Now I will definitely trade only if other party sends first.

If you use a trusted escrow, you don't have to fight over who goes first.

[itradecurrency]

I was going to trade with him yesterday, he seemed like a nice guy, glad I didn't.

[Light]

If you use a trusted escrow, you don't have to fight over who goes first.

Although, in the case of PP transactions, escrow doesn't stop someone from being chargeback scammed.

@OP: Try to stop dealing with newbies especially those who have been flagged in the past - newbie trades have a tendency to end in tears.

[chrism1]

the forum needs to immediately list negative feedback when you checkout the trust profile until then it will go unnoticed by newbies

[Harderfaster]

the forum needs to immediately list negative feedback when you checkout the trust profile until then it will go unnoticed by newbies

Yup, this could ve saved me, and in future I will know better, but many new users wont.




Here are the pms
paypal meanwhile reversed the payment

http://i57.tinypic.com/2drezdk.png

[itradecurrency]

Wow, looks similar to our pms word for word.  He was messaging me everyday. I haven't heard from him since this blow up.  What a shame, glad you got your money back. I didnt know about the trust link on here.

[chrism1]

This scammer told me to send to a different paypal address.

So I sent a reply to that email address and the guy replied back he didnt even know what a bitcoin was!,....... a stolen mule account the owner did not even know was compromised. That is the trick

[itradecurrency]

Wow, thanks for the heads up.  Still no rebuttal.  He was so desperate to "trade" with me this past weekend.