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April 10, 2014, 08:51:45 AM
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Surely it cant be as hopeless as you say.
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I have been doing a bit of thinking around this subject
The problem is that there isnt enough empathy around
If eg someone has suffered at the hands of their parents - if they have children they may be determined not to repeat their parents behaviour because they now have empathy.
If you break into my home - am I not less likely to break into the home of another person because  because I now know what the emotional consequenses are to the person whose home it is?  Undecided
 
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April 10, 2014, 07:27:35 PM
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People will use you for what they want. I'm sure you're no different really. It's just a human thing but there's always going to be at least one party that gets hurt.

This is oversimplifying and a black & white view on the world. If you make some more effort, I'm sure you can contribute better to the discussion.

There are many relations where both parties give and take, so that both parties are mostly happy with the relation in question.

Some people are mature responsible adults that are able to put themselves in others' shoes and see a situation from several angles.

The problem is that there isnt enough empathy around

Good point. A very simple exercise would be to imagine what it would be like or how it would feel like if what happens to some other people happened to you. If a person is unable to do this, perhaps he's a psychopath? But very many people lack compassion because the affected issues don't affect themselves.

Let us take a very easy example. The war on terror with the drone attacks done by the USG. If everyone involved here realized that the kid losing its parents, or a kid getting hurt for life, they could turn it around and picture this affected child to be their own child, their sister or their brother. And then the very simple and rhetorical question would be: Would you wish this to happen for your own child, or your brother or sister? If not, why are you doing it?

Instead innocent deaths caused by drones are called 'bugsplatter'. So instead of realizing that real innocent people with families, lives and hope and dreams for the future is demolished and killed, it's just called a 'bugsplat'. And on the operator's screen it's not too much detail, so the horror unfolding, a child lying on the ground screaming it's lungs out bleeding out of bodyparts that's blasted of and surrounded with dead relatives, it's not something the operator sees.

The operator might as well be deliberately brainwashed, told he's doing a great service for his country, and that he's conducting surgical drone warfare and that everything is precise and well done. So the brainwashed operator might 'squash a few bugs', then go out with his buddies and have some beers and then watch a soccer game, all the time without thinking about what he really does and realizing the real impact of it.

Any would-ber operator should be put on the ground to see the horrors first hand, and they should be presented for molested childs before they sign up for the job, then they could chose whether they wanted to live off a small wage killing other innocent people in distant countries.

But over to the give-take thing in relations. I think those who are compassionate and considerate will care about other people and also contact them without having selfish motivation for doing so. Those who are cold and just exploit other people will eventually end up lonesome and unhappy. Nobody wants to be around those who only exploit others.

I think what is needed for certain people is to see the other side of the coin to wake up. Some people can on an intellectual level imagine and understand the viewpoint and situation of others, while others needs to be put in their shoes and experience what they experience to try to put themselves in their position and to develop some empathy.

Here's more from the bugsplat article above:

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Bugsplat is the official term used by US authorities when humans are killed by drone missiles. The existence of children's computer games of the same name may lead one to think that the PlayStation analogy with drone warfare is taken too far. But it is deliberately employed as a psychological tactic to dehumanise targets so operatives overcome their inhibition to kill; and so the public remains apathetic and unmoved to act. Indeed, the phrase has far more sinister origins and historical use: In dehumanising their Pakistani targets, the US resorts to Nazi semantics. Their targets are not just computer game-like targets, but pesky or harmful bugs that must be killed.
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April 10, 2014, 10:02:58 PM
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you know I seen people want, and there are less that give.  Giving is the best thing you can do for a person who is not fortunate.

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May 05, 2014, 04:38:45 PM
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Yes, I have had people do that to me. I get onto my kids for it to. It's seems they only call or come around if they need something. I've gotten to were I just say no a lot.
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May 06, 2014, 06:01:04 AM
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everybody knows somebody like that, and society is littered with people like that. and that's why our world is turning to shit. greed and competition.
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May 07, 2014, 04:18:50 AM
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Yes, I have had people do that to me. I get onto my kids for it to. It's seems they only call or come around if they need something. I've gotten to were I just say no a lot.

Did you ever explain to them that this is how you view it? It might be the case that they just take you for granted and just come to you whenever they need something. Perhaps if you explained it to them, they would realize and perhaps be more 'present' and appreciative for what you do?

It's very easy to not appreciate those around us, until they're no longer there. In the daily life it's easy to be caught up in all the stress and chores, and not really see what's around us.

I think we should try to not take those close to us for granted, although sometimes they're really a pain in the ass. And I think it's also a matter of investing into a relationship. When people feel valued and appreciated, we increase their sense of self confidence and self worth.

But I agree that when people exploit you, or you get a feeling that they do, withdrawal is the natural response.

everybody knows somebody like that, and society is littered with people like that. and that's why our world is turning to shit. greed and competition.

Although not being good, that's a good point. However, to keep sane and lead a productive and good life, I think it's necessary not to be bogged down by such toughts, but rather try to change what we can change in our own lives and work to make it better. After all, nobody else is going to do it!
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June 11, 2014, 07:37:35 PM
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Don't be too hard on yourself. You trusted someone that didn't deserve your trust and loved someone that didn't return your love. That doesn't make you stupid or weak. That makes you someone who believes in the goodness of people and has faith in humanity which are really good qualities. So, remember to love yourself, take care of yourself and know that the right person is looking for you. Really!
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June 11, 2014, 07:43:48 PM
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I believe in something, life is like a circle, today you take and not give, tomorrow you will be taken and given nothing.

you are young, and still believe there is some justice in this world, in time u will see that is not the case.
everything we do will not be judged, atleast that is what i believe in.
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June 11, 2014, 07:44:30 PM
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I happen to know such leeches. Only I call them family members. You know the ones that expect you to help them clean their house, watch their kids, provide transport to places, basically for free. After a while, you just have to put your foot down and make it clear to them that you have a life, too, and can't drop everything to do what they want.
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June 12, 2014, 10:09:10 AM
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I happen to know such leeches. Only I call them family members. You know the ones that expect you to help them clean their house, watch their kids, provide transport to places, basically for free. After a while, you just have to put your foot down and make it clear to them that you have a life, too, and can't drop everything to do what they want.

Yes, people are different. Some never say no - those are easy to exploit for others, while some people are good at saying no when it is required, and yet other people never contribute. I think it is very easy to take it for granted when some people always says yes, or does things for you.

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June 12, 2014, 03:20:25 PM
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Parasitic relationship doesn't last regardless if it is physical or emotional.
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