How The Trans-Agenda Seeks To Redefine Everyone

[Wilikon]

The transgender movement has strong totalitarian overtones that Americans don’t fully understand.

[...]
It’s About Control, Not Rights

The transgender movement has strong totalitarian overtones that Americans (especially certain senators) don’t fully understand. How else to describe a crusade with such far-reaching consequences for First Amendment rights? The legal destruction of gender distinctions will inevitably dissolve family autonomy, thereby uprooting freedom of association. Free expression becomes “hate speech” if one doesn’t fall into line with the directives of the transgender lobby or its pronoun protocol. Freedom of religion takes a direct hit any way you look at it.

Under the guise of “rights,” the transgender movement can serve as convenient cover for consolidating and centralizing power under an ever-expanding State. Once we allow the State to refuse to recognize that children result from the male-female union, we grant the State more power to separate us from our children. As power becomes more centralized in the State, the individuals and institutions of the State, inevitably flawed, end up owning our personal relationships. With weakened mediating institutions—family, churches, private associations—we lose the buffer zones that stand between individuals and an encroaching state.

http://thefederalist.com/2014/06/23/how-the-trans-agenda-seeks-to-redefine-everyone/

[pedrog]

Horse shit.

[Littleshop]

The transgender movement has strong totalitarian overtones that Americans don’t fully understand.

[...]
It’s About Control, Not Rights

The transgender movement has strong totalitarian overtones that Americans (especially certain senators) don’t fully understand. How else to describe a crusade with such far-reaching consequences for First Amendment rights? The legal destruction of gender distinctions will inevitably dissolve family autonomy, thereby uprooting freedom of association. Free expression becomes “hate speech” if one doesn’t fall into line with the directives of the transgender lobby or its pronoun protocol. Freedom of religion takes a direct hit any way you look at it.

Under the guise of “rights,” the transgender movement can serve as convenient cover for consolidating and centralizing power under an ever-expanding State. Once we allow the State to refuse to recognize that children result from the male-female union, we grant the State more power to separate us from our children. As power becomes more centralized in the State, the individuals and institutions of the State, inevitably flawed, end up owning our personal relationships. With weakened mediating institutions—family, churches, private associations—we lose the buffer zones that stand between individuals and an encroaching state.

http://thefederalist.com/2014/06/23/how-the-trans-agenda-seeks-to-redefine-everyone/

This article is trash.  It does not even clearly state a point, is wrong about almost everything it says and is almost unreadable. 

[DooMAD]

Yep, that's pretty much the kind of baseless, alarmist, prejudiced tripe I've come to expect from a Wilikon thread.  I'd add you to my ignore list, but feel compelled to keep an eye on this kind of stuff in case anyone's foolish enough to buy into it and needs to be corrected.  Sadly people still seem to fall for the old "they're different and therefore bad, so we should invent some falsehoods to make them sound bad" arguments that bigots like to spread around.

[Lethn]

Horse shit.

Yeah this politics sub on here is just full of crazies.

It's not actually that bad considering, it's just a few religious crazies that hang out here and insist on peddling their bullshit to the naive, thankfully their stupidity is actually more amusing than an annoyance so I just enjoy mocking them once in awhile.

[Wilikon]

Yep, that's pretty much the kind of baseless, alarmist, prejudiced tripe I've come to expect from a Wilikon thread.  I'd add you to my ignore list, but feel compelled to keep an eye on this kind of stuff in case anyone's foolish enough to buy into it and needs to be corrected.  Sadly people still seem to fall for the old "they're different and therefore bad, so we should invent some falsehoods to make them sound bad" arguments that bigots like to spread around.

Thank you for not adding me to your ignore list.... As long as you feel entertained by my threads. Also, do not hesitate to voice your opinion no matter what, everyone is welcome and included, with my genuine globally planetary warming embrace, famous under the ozone layer and our capricious Sun 

No walled garden.

[Wilikon]

Horse shit.

Yeah this politics sub on here is just full of crazies.

It's not actually that bad considering, it's just a few religious crazies that hang out here and insist on peddling their bullshit to the naive, thankfully their stupidity is actually more amusing than an annoyance so I just enjoy mocking them once in awhile.

Yes. Mocking is proof of superior intelligence on the internet. 

[Spendulus]

Horse shit.

Yeah this politics sub on here is just full of crazies.

It's not actually that bad considering, it's just a few religious crazies that hang out here and insist on peddling their bullshit to the naive, thankfully their stupidity is actually more amusing than an annoyance so I just enjoy mocking them once in awhile.

I see your points, but I believe that the far left philosopher and linguist, Noam Chomsky, would agree with the points made in the article (but be in favor of those exact methods which the right wing writer warns about).

In fact, the techniques described for social change read like they are textbook Chomsky.

Therefore I believe you are wrong.  But I could be wrong in that.  Unfortunately these days, every time we see a conspiracy and warn about it we seem to be right....

[protokol]

The transgender movement has strong totalitarian overtones that Americans don’t fully understand.

http://thefederalist.com/2014/06/23/how-the-trans-agenda-seeks-to-redefine-everyone/

This article is trash.  It does not even clearly state a point, is wrong about almost everything it says and is almost unreadable. 

You're right, it basically seems like the ramblings of a madwoman who's paranoid as hell.

I think she's saying that transgender people are going through procedures, not because they have psychological gender issues, but because they are part of a big plan to "erase gender distinctions" and subsequently give more power to the State, and to classify our children as state property.

Or something. I actually feel more stupid after reading that.

[Wilikon]

Horse shit.

Yeah this politics sub on here is just full of crazies.

It's not actually that bad considering, it's just a few religious crazies that hang out here and insist on peddling their bullshit to the naive, thankfully their stupidity is actually more amusing than an annoyance so I just enjoy mocking them once in awhile.

Yes. Mocking is proof of superior intelligence on the internet. 

My bad superior intelligence is a conspiracy that shemales work for the government to get control of your children.

Another conspiracy tells me shemales are pro abortion in general, so they have no use for my already born children... In theory, of course 

[Wilikon]

Horse shit.

Yeah this politics sub on here is just full of crazies.

It's not actually that bad considering, it's just a few religious crazies that hang out here and insist on peddling their bullshit to the naive, thankfully their stupidity is actually more amusing than an annoyance so I just enjoy mocking them once in awhile.

Yes. Mocking is proof of superior intelligence on the internet. 

My bad superior intelligence is a conspiracy that shemales work for the government to get control of your children.

Another conspiracy tells me shemales are pro abortion in general, so they have no use for my already born children... In theory, of course 

....What ? What is your logic in that shemales are pro abortion? Why would anyone no matter their gender give a fuck anything like the details in the OP? (state controlled children?)

.. it's another conspiracy theory... you know... like the OP...

[bryant.coleman]

There is a lot of substance in that article, although written in a bit explosive language. In the past 5-6 years, we are seeing all sort of trans crap. American man becoming pregnant, Swedish male trying to breastfeed his kids.... and finally this:

[hilariousandco]

Yep, that's pretty much the kind of baseless, alarmist, prejudiced tripe I've come to expect from a Wilikon thread.  I'd add you to my ignore list, but feel compelled to keep an eye on this kind of stuff in case anyone's foolish enough to buy into it and needs to be corrected.  Sadly people still seem to fall for the old "they're different and therefore bad, so we should invent some falsehoods to make them sound bad" arguments that bigots like to spread around.

You can add bryant.coleman to that as well.

There is a lot of substance in that article, although written in a bit explosive language. In the past 5-6 years, we are seeing all sort of trans crap. American man becoming pregnant, Swedish male trying to breastfeed his kids.... and finally this:

Oh noez it's the end of society as we know it! That bearded lady guy looks fabulous by the way. My guess is you probably fancy half of these trannies and it disgusts you, just like most homophobes tend to be latent homosexuals.

[Ron~Popeil]

The first step toward the holocaust was public dehumanizing of anyone that happened to have Jewish ancestry. They blamed them for economic policies and societal problems caused by poor leadership and government corruption. This is an old and very dangerous playbook. 

[Wilikon]

The first step toward the holocaust was public dehumanizing of anyone that happened to have Jewish ancestry. They blamed them for economic policies and societal problems caused by poor leadership and government corruption. This is an old and very dangerous playbook. 

Godwin's Law. We meet again after just 17 posts... 

[Wilikon]

Slate: It Is “Insidious” To Have Your Baby Labeled A Boy Or A Girl, Implores People To Swear Off “Infant Gender Assignment”…

[...]
. . . It’s a strange hypothetical scenario to imagine. Pressure to accept a medical treatment, no tangible proof of its necessity, its only benefits conferred by the fact that everyone else already has it, and coming at a terrible expense to those 1 or 2 percent who have a bad reaction. It seems unlikely that doctors, hospitals, parents, or society in general would tolerate a standard practice like this.

Except they already do. The imaginary treatment I described above is real. Obstetricians, doctors, and midwives commit this procedure on infants every single day, in every single country. In reality, this treatment is performed almost universally without even asking for the parents’ consent, making this practice all the more insidious. It’s called infant gender assignment: When the doctor holds your child up to the harsh light of the delivery room, looks between its legs, and declares his opinion: It’s a boy or a girl, based on nothing more than a cursory assessment of your offspring’s genitals.

We tell our children, “You can be anything you want to be.” We say, “A girl can be a doctor, a boy can be a nurse,” but why in the first place must this person be a boy and that person be a girl? Your infant is an infant. Your baby knows nothing of dresses and ties, of makeup and aftershave, of the contemporary social implications of pink and blue. As a newborn, your child’s potential is limitless. The world is full of possibilities that every person deserves to be able to explore freely, receiving equal respect and human dignity while maximizing happiness through individual expression.

With infant gender assignment, in a single moment your baby’s life is instantly and brutally reduced from such infinite potentials down to one concrete set of expectations and stereotypes, and any behavioral deviation from that will be severely punished—both intentionally through bigotry, and unintentionally through ignorance. That doctor (and the power structure behind him) plays a pivotal role in imposing those limits on helpless infants, without their consent, and without your informed consent as a parent. This issue deserves serious consideration by every parent, because no matter what gender identity your child ultimately adopts, infant gender assignment has effects that will last through their whole life.

We see more and more and more high-profile stories about transgender people in the news. The shame and the mysticism surrounding them is fading at an exponential rate, as public consciousness matures from the depths of exploiting puerile stereotypes and bigoted joke depictions of the trans experience into a more complex awareness of, and sensitivity to, the humanity and emotions of non-cis people. Every parent today knows there is a chance their child might be transgender. A small chance, perhaps, but a chance higher than zero.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/06/26/infant_gender_assignment_unnecessary_and_potentially_harmful.html

[commandrix]

^^That is almost amusing. Boys play with dolls only we call them "action figures," and I've watched girls play with Legos and didn't think it was weird. That doesn't mean they're transgender. About the only times I have problems with the LGBT crowd is when they're trying to throw their private lives in my face or making an unwanted come-on. Otherwise, I just pretty much ignore them.

[Cicero2.0]

Slate: It Is “Insidious” To Have Your Baby Labeled A Boy Or A Girl, Implores People To Swear Off “Infant Gender Assignment”…

[...]
. . . It’s a strange hypothetical scenario to imagine. Pressure to accept a medical treatment, no tangible proof of its necessity, its only benefits conferred by the fact that everyone else already has it, and coming at a terrible expense to those 1 or 2 percent who have a bad reaction. It seems unlikely that doctors, hospitals, parents, or society in general would tolerate a standard practice like this.

Except they already do. The imaginary treatment I described above is real. Obstetricians, doctors, and midwives commit this procedure on infants every single day, in every single country. In reality, this treatment is performed almost universally without even asking for the parents’ consent, making this practice all the more insidious. It’s called infant gender assignment: When the doctor holds your child up to the harsh light of the delivery room, looks between its legs, and declares his opinion: It’s a boy or a girl, based on nothing more than a cursory assessment of your offspring’s genitals.

We tell our children, “You can be anything you want to be.” We say, “A girl can be a doctor, a boy can be a nurse,” but why in the first place must this person be a boy and that person be a girl? Your infant is an infant. Your baby knows nothing of dresses and ties, of makeup and aftershave, of the contemporary social implications of pink and blue. As a newborn, your child’s potential is limitless. The world is full of possibilities that every person deserves to be able to explore freely, receiving equal respect and human dignity while maximizing happiness through individual expression.

With infant gender assignment, in a single moment your baby’s life is instantly and brutally reduced from such infinite potentials down to one concrete set of expectations and stereotypes, and any behavioral deviation from that will be severely punished—both intentionally through bigotry, and unintentionally through ignorance. That doctor (and the power structure behind him) plays a pivotal role in imposing those limits on helpless infants, without their consent, and without your informed consent as a parent. This issue deserves serious consideration by every parent, because no matter what gender identity your child ultimately adopts, infant gender assignment has effects that will last through their whole life.

We see more and more and more high-profile stories about transgender people in the news. The shame and the mysticism surrounding them is fading at an exponential rate, as public consciousness matures from the depths of exploiting puerile stereotypes and bigoted joke depictions of the trans experience into a more complex awareness of, and sensitivity to, the humanity and emotions of non-cis people. Every parent today knows there is a chance their child might be transgender. A small chance, perhaps, but a chance higher than zero.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/06/26/infant_gender_assignment_unnecessary_and_potentially_harmful.html

I am all for equality and respect for others but when a baby is born if it has certain parts or a lack of certain parts it is either male of female. Nothing but genetics and chance assign that.

[jjdub7]

^^That is almost amusing. Boys play with dolls only we call them "action figures," and I've watched girls play with Legos and didn't think it was weird. That doesn't mean they're transgender. About the only times I have problems with the LGBT crowd is when they're trying to throw their private lives in my face or making an unwanted come-on. Otherwise, I just pretty much ignore them.

Dude, believe me...odds are most of us homo folk really aren't interested and will tend to just leave you alone once its been communicated to fuck off.  Not trying to throw a dig at you or anything, its just been that in my experience, most gay guys who still go after straight guys by the time they're adults usually had a rough time coming out/never came out.  Now, I'm pretty far from the stereotype, but then again, that also makes me pretty observant.