***NEM*** Should NEM organize the second stakeholder list auditing ?

[patmast3r]

Well Pat - as I've said before, it's not clear to people whether there is a limit on the AE or not.  I was under the impression that limit of two tokens was lifted a long time ago (since it represents trading which would had happened if NEM launched), but there's some vagueness on that subject.

I'm pretty sure we're not going to stick to that rule. There's no real way of enforcing it anway and also the AE is to be considered the free market and we shouldn't try to regulate that. 
I can't say 100% sure since this hasn't been discussed with everyone.

[nemjp]

I'm not going to engage in any of the FUD I had to read through in this thread. We've addressed this stuff on multiple occasions.

What I do want to address is the whole second audit thing. There will be no second audit of the list as it is at least not from the core team. It just doesn't make any sense.
We're certainly not going to consider any results from NODE since little information is revealed on how they are identifying puppets and imho what they're doing isn't the right way to handle such things.
We are however in the process of desgining how stakes will be claimed. We're looking to make it as hard as possible and as time consuming as possible to claim multiple stakes from one machine. We all know that this isn't a 100% deterrent but we think it's the only thing left that makes sense and is fair.

Think about what puppets will do with their stakes anyway. They're going to sell them which is only distributing NEM further. As long as there are no huge whales around (which is exactly what we're trying to avoid with a technical approach) a few puppets won't hurt NEM. What will hurt NEM is starting this puppet hunt all over again.

Why open up votes on btt ? Every single person on btt can vote even the ones who haven't heared about NEM before - how much sense does that make ? Wanna have a vote among the community do it in our forum

YES: NEM have many socks and second auditing is needed.



This does not make sense as I buy off AE exchange. So you want to bother me as much as possible if I buy and support NEMstake in the AE exchange? You guys should be clear about what you want. If you don't want me to buy more than 2 then say it then I am going to sell off everything I have but be clear about it.

I thought we were talking about the stakeholderlist are we not ? If you bought on the NXT AE then you are not on that list.
Obviously we're not going to regulate the free market.

Okay. Thanks.

YES: NEM have many socks and second auditing is needed.
Many socks are voting.It is not fair.

[patmast3r]

I'm not going to engage in any of the FUD I had to read through in this thread. We've addressed this stuff on multiple occasions.

What I do want to address is the whole second audit thing. There will be no second audit of the list as it is at least not from the core team. It just doesn't make any sense.
We're certainly not going to consider any results from NODE since little information is revealed on how they are identifying puppets and imho what they're doing isn't the right way to handle such things.
We are however in the process of desgining how stakes will be claimed. We're looking to make it as hard as possible and as time consuming as possible to claim multiple stakes from one machine. We all know that this isn't a 100% deterrent but we think it's the only thing left that makes sense and is fair.

Think about what puppets will do with their stakes anyway. They're going to sell them which is only distributing NEM further. As long as there are no huge whales around (which is exactly what we're trying to avoid with a technical approach) a few puppets won't hurt NEM. What will hurt NEM is starting this puppet hunt all over again.

Why open up votes on btt ? Every single person on btt can vote even the ones who haven't heared about NEM before - how much sense does that make ? Wanna have a vote among the community do it in our forum

YES: NEM have many socks and second auditing is needed.



This does not make sense as I buy off AE exchange. So you want to bother me as much as possible if I buy and support NEMstake in the AE exchange? You guys should be clear about what you want. If you don't want me to buy more than 2 then say it then I am going to sell off everything I have but be clear about it.

I thought we were talking about the stakeholderlist are we not ? If you bought on the NXT AE then you are not on that list.
Obviously we're not going to regulate the free market.

Okay. Thanks.

YES: NEM have many socks and second auditing is needed.
Many socks are voting.It is not fair.

Yeah, prove it or shut the fuck up.

[nutildah]

YES: NEM have many socks and second auditing is needed.
Many socks are voting.It is not fair.[/size]

Yeah, prove it or shut the fuck up.

You know very well he can't prove it.

I can understand you guys can reach your limits with the constant questioning and accusations. Why not just passively endorse a "3rd party" audit conducted by fellow NEM enthusiasts in the community who have nothing to do with you on a personal level. As was pointed out earlier its easy for anyone to conduct most of the audit on their own, they just have to take charge.

At this point I don't care, I read the last 20 pages of the moderated thread and agree with Kod that people with skills who want to help out might better put their time to use working on NEM-related projects. If I was a programmer, well I'd make my own software for my own assets first but later I'd work on NEM stuff too.

[patmast3r]

YES: NEM have many socks and second auditing is needed.
Many socks are voting.It is not fair.[/size]

Yeah, prove it or shut the fuck up.

You know very well he can't prove it.

I can understand you guys can reach your limits with the constant questioning and accusations. Why not just passively endorse a "3rd party" audit conducted by fellow NEM enthusiasts in the community who have nothing to do with you on a personal level. As was pointed out earlier its easy for anyone to conduct most of the audit on their own, they just have to take charge.

At this point I don't care, I read the last 20 pages of the moderated thread and agree with Kod that people with skills who want to help out might better put their time to use working on NEM-related projects. If I was a programmer, well I'd make my own software for my own assets first but later I'd work on NEM stuff too.

We've seen many people claiming that there are a lot of puppets but so far noone has shown any form of proof. That's why I reacted like I did. Just post proof or shut the hell up. What's the point ?

Usually I would support projects from the community but this is something that will do nothing but make another fuzz about socks and piss people off.

[lordoliver]

It doesn't make sence, to do anything about that now.
Face it: its too late! The coin is already on the market. The market should be able to freely trade it.

The team should concentrate on going further with the coin and promoting it.
Threads like this only hurt the coin. Please close it.

[nutildah]

Dude you guys need to stop getting nuts over at Lets Talk Bitcoin.

There's an air of civility over there that you're clouding in an attempt to defend your coin. Calling their author's articles "crap" (even if they are) isn't going to win you any favors.

[nutildah]

Dude you guys need to stop getting nuts over at Lets Talk Bitcoin.

There's an air of civility over there that you're clouding in an attempt to defend your coin. Calling their author's articles "crap" (even if they are) isn't going to win you any favors.

removed the crap bit. its a joke that they would release an article with such an amount of miss information and not do one single ounce or research. and now everyone reading it will believe that nem is a clone and nothing new has been done with it. theres nothing in it that makes nem stand out from any other coin.

sometimes you just gotta let people believe what they want to believe. hopefully others who are serious will put in their due diligence and own research and come to their own conclusions.

in general i thought the story kind of had a shystery air to it but i didnt want to say anything.

some say that any press is good press, so don't let it bother you too much

[TaunSew]

I consider it good publicity.  Many people came into Bitcoin just from all the news about it hitting $1000+ in late 2013.

Yes his article is full of misinformation. Mind you - there's no centralized page detailing NEM.  To understand NEM, you have to go through a hundred pages of posts and download an alpha and frankly that's too much work in this day and age where people have an attention span of 5 seconds. There needs to be a media package or an information website.  Even a Wikipedia article would be a start (Ethereum and NxT has one..)