FBI has a success rate of 50% when it comes to stopping domestic terrorism.

[zolace]

to more precisely address your other points:

"boohoo the fbi only stops 50% of terrorist attacks"

the data used to make this conclusion is completely fabricated bc you wouldnt know about any terrorist attacks the fbi has successfully helped prevent

"FBI IS 50% of TERRORIS TATTAKS11"

thats an extraordinary claim, requiring more evidence than excerpts from some (unsourced) article you found on the internet

"fbi is focusing on terrorism to the detriment of national lawfulness"

has interstate criminal enterprise grown since the fbi has reprioritized? where are the stats?

we still have the cia whose overt mission has always been what you're complaining the fbi is doing. for your own emotional wellbeing, just pretend theyve merged together.

unless your problem is not that the fbi is inefficient, but that you inherently dislike terrorism prevention

are you muslim and why do you hate freedom?

As usual, you're wrong here too.

The FBI is not shy when it comes to bragging about stopping terrorist plots. The report I cited shows that every single high profile terrorist plot in which the FBI has been involved was a plot that was fabricated by the FBI themselves -- with the exception of four incidents, and of those 4, the FBI only stopped 2.

how do you figure? every loser municipal cop has had this attitude since the inception of cops, and you think fbi faggots dont think the same way unless theyre told to go after terrorists? a certain type of person is attracted to law enforcement and 'intelligence'.
that's an interesting qualifier, 'high profile.'

realize how nothing is said of 'all terrorist plots.'

again, you're using a shit metric for rhetorical effect.

think about what makes a terrorist plot 'high profile.' the media covers the plot because it either directly affects or has the capacity to frighten a lot of people. by nature of being foiled, foiled terrorist plots have neither of these qualities, and so naturally most of the 'high profile' plots are going to be ones that succeeded, regardless of how well terrorism of comparable severity is prevented.

[noviapriani]

I'm glad that you find the qualifier to be interesting. I thought it was interesting too. So did one of the largest human rights watchdog groups in the world. In fact, they thought it was so interesting that they wrote about it in a 200+ page report on human rights abuses in US terrorism prosecutions. As usual, you're wrong. The report closely examines 27 cases with 77 total defendants.

[zolace]

"FBI IS 50% of TERRORIS TATTAKS11"

thats an extraordinary claim, requiring more evidence than excerpts from some (unsourced) article you found on the internet

It's sourced. If you can make it ~5 words into the first sentence of the first post, you'll find the report. Good luck!

"fbi is focusing on terrorism to the detriment of national lawfulness"

has interstate criminal enterprise grown since the fbi has reprioritized? where are the stats?

This is irrelevant to the discussion. I made no claims about whether their focus on terrorism was "to the detriment of national lawfulness." You're a liar.

sorry, missed that. like i said, your presentation begs for disregard.

but lol @ lending authority to a 200 page document of liberal law student propaganda. on the first page of a document ostensibly about the treatment of terrorism, there's a picture of an ashamed black guy being led into a cop car.

this shit is amateur, and if you bothered to actually skim the literature you cite instead of re-pasting the juicy paragraphs you find on libertarian support forums, you'd see that the entire document is basically a whinefest about torture and abusive judicial practices, not evidence on the efficacy of fbi procedures. that part was tacked on so faggots like you could make headlines out of it.

[noviapriani]

"FBI IS 50% of TERRORIS TATTAKS11"

thats an extraordinary claim, requiring more evidence than excerpts from some (unsourced) article you found on the internet

It's sourced. If you can make it ~5 words into the first sentence of the first post, you'll find the report. Good luck!

"fbi is focusing on terrorism to the detriment of national lawfulness"

has interstate criminal enterprise grown since the fbi has reprioritized? where are the stats?

This is irrelevant to the discussion. I made no claims about whether their focus on terrorism was "to the detriment of national lawfulness." You're a liar.

sorry, missed that. like i said, your presentation begs for disregard.

but lol @ lending authority to a 200 page document of liberal law student propaganda. on the first page of a document ostensibly about the treatment of terrorism, there's a picture of an ashamed black guy being led into a cop car.

this shit is amateur, and if you bothered to actually skim the literature you cite instead of re-pasting the juicy paragraphs you find on libertarian support forums, you'd see that the entire document is basically a whinefest about torture and abusive judicial practices, not evidence on the efficacy of fbi procedures. that part was tacked on so faggots like you could make headlines out of it.

I did read it. My first post takes a one-sentence jab at the 50% success rate "of actual domestic terrorism plots." The rest of it highlights prosecutorial misconduct, mistreatment of prisoners, and other abuses. I even put the parts I found interesting in bold.

[zolace]

Really?

"Time for the FBI to go back to law enforcement imo."

Were you not actually trying to say something there? Or were you just in need of a cocky one liner for purely stylistic purposes?

[noviapriani]

Really?

"Time for the FBI to go back to law enforcement imo."

Were you not actually trying to say something there? Or were you just in need of a cocky one liner for purely stylistic purposes?

Yes, really. Your hypocritically cocky riposte here fails miserably. I was not suggesting that the FBI's focus on national security has been to the detriment of national crime rates. I'm not even sure how anyone would interpret it that way. It's very clear that I'm saying that it's "time for the FBI to go back to law enforcement" because it is not very good at national security. Its idea of national security is fabricating terrorist plots and preying on mentally ill people. The many paragraphs that precede my "cocky one-liner" serve as clear evidence that this is what I meant. Only an intellectually dishonest shitbag (read: "a liar") would fail to read it in this context.

So to reiterate: Yes, really. And you are a liar. Deal with it.

[zolace]

I'm (roughly) throwing around two numbers.

"All of the high-profile domestic terrorism plots of the last decade, with four exceptions"

And

"four exceptions"


The 50% stems from the fact that of those four exceptions, two were successfully carried out.

ie. you cherry picked 4 cases that result in an impressive statistic for you to throw around (the 50%), then in the title of your thread imply that this statistic also applies for all domestic terrorism.

in the segment of my post you quote here, i analyzed exactly how you cherry picked this and why it is misleading.

[Rigon]

I'm (roughly) throwing around two numbers.

"All of the high-profile domestic terrorism plots of the last decade, with four exceptions"

And

"four exceptions"


The 50% stems from the fact that of those four exceptions, two were successfully carried out.

ie. you cherry picked 4 cases that result in an impressive statistic for you to throw around (the 50%), then in the title of your thread imply that this statistic also applies for all domestic terrorism.

in the segment of my post you quote here, i analyzed exactly how you cherry picked this and why it is misleading.

I don't think he is cherry picking at all: he is separating the data based on specific and important qualifiers / details. That's done all of the time in statistics and is a perfectly acceptable analytical tool. Those four cases are important because they represent the FBI dealing with a terrorist threat that rests outside of the ones that they construct from the ground up in order to ensnare potential terrorists.