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August 22, 2014, 07:20:49 AM
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This is where I'm coming from...

Once I can no longer profit from mining, I'm done with BTC. I'm simply not an investment speculator. And I see no real advantages with buying BTC on an exchange and using it to make purchases. I'd rather just use a credit card and have consumer protection.

I'm not a libertarian and bank failures and politics scare me less than BTC potentially dropping to zero.

In my opinion, the extinction of home miners will ultimately cause the failure of BTC. Home miners actually use their BTC stash as it's intended, to make purchases. Although they just usually spend their saved BTC on new mining gear, lol. They also hoard their earnings while large-scale mining operations continually dump their BTC and exchange for fiat. Which will ultimately causes the price to crash once home miners are completely out of the picture.

This retard doesnt even know mining is also speculating. He thinks that because he didnt pay for those mined btc, its free!.

LOL

Why are you such a despicable, hateful twat?

Speculating and mining are entirely different. Just because there is also an element of risk in buying mining equipment doesn't make it the same as speculating on the price of bitcoin.

I think you're the retarded one.
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August 22, 2014, 02:26:56 PM
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this is gamble..

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August 22, 2014, 05:38:06 PM
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In my opinion, the extinction of home miners will ultimately cause the failure of BTC.

I don't agree with this. BTC has nothing to do with the failure or success of home miners.

I'm going to side with roadstress here - just because I run an large mining operation that doesn't mean i'm cashing out to fiat right away - perhaps I DONT want to flash crash everything so I have an incentive to sell it slowly at an average pace - keeping a large chunk for later. 

I think the end-game for BTC happens when we all aggressively leave BTC because a new system occurs that has higher monetary incentive than bitcoin, with current gen asic hardware.  So far as I can tell, nothing on earth could disrupt BTC's place unless a country is willing to go so far as to actually back a new type of cryptocurrency that can use existing POW sha256 mining power and can back real world value like current fiat - that is unlikely to happen though as no practical national leader would take such a great risk on a new experimental technology.  Could you imagine the countless deviants trying to 51% it?

I bet that will see such an experiment in Argentina.

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August 24, 2014, 12:57:21 AM
Last edit: August 24, 2014, 01:15:17 AM by TrevorS
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This is where I'm coming from...

Once I can no longer profit from mining, I'm done with BTC. I'm simply not an investment speculator. And I see no real advantages with buying BTC on an exchange and using it to make purchases. I'd rather just use a credit card and have consumer protection.

I'm not a libertarian and bank failures and politics scare me less than BTC potentially dropping to zero.

In my opinion, the extinction of home miners will ultimately cause the failure of BTC. Home miners actually use their BTC stash as it's intended, to make purchases. Although they just usually spend their saved BTC on new mining gear, lol. They also hoard their earnings while large-scale mining operations continually dump their BTC and exchange for fiat. Which will ultimately causes the price to crash once home miners are completely out of the picture.

This retard doesnt even know mining is also speculating. He thinks that because he didnt pay for those mined btc, its free!.

LOL

Why are you such a despicable, hateful twat?

Speculating and mining are entirely different. Just because there is also an element of risk in buying mining equipment doesn't make it the same as speculating on the price of bitcoin.

I think you're the retarded one.

Dumbfck, i'm not talking about the risk in buying mining rig. The whole mining expense and ROI are based on fiat. So you're hoping the price of btc doesnt fall.

Both mining difficulty and price of btc affect your mining business. But dumb fcks like you dont see it.
As the OP, I request you no longer respond to this thread.  Your attitude and language is far too abusive to be tolerable.  Well considered argument as in respectful debate/rebuttal/discussion is entirely welcome, but what you are providing is not.  Please move on!

Thanks -- Trevor!

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August 24, 2014, 09:38:10 AM
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This is where I'm coming from...

Once I can no longer profit from mining, I'm done with BTC. I'm simply not an investment speculator. And I see no real advantages with buying BTC on an exchange and using it to make purchases. I'd rather just use a credit card and have consumer protection.

I'm not a libertarian and bank failures and politics scare me less than BTC potentially dropping to zero.

In my opinion, the extinction of home miners will ultimately cause the failure of BTC. Home miners actually use their BTC stash as it's intended, to make purchases. Although they just usually spend their saved BTC on new mining gear, lol. They also hoard their earnings while large-scale mining operations continually dump their BTC and exchange for fiat. Which will ultimately causes the price to crash once home miners are completely out of the picture.

This retard doesnt even know mining is also speculating. He thinks that because he didnt pay for those mined btc, its free!.

LOL

Why are you such a despicable, hateful twat?

Speculating and mining are entirely different. Just because there is also an element of risk in buying mining equipment doesn't make it the same as speculating on the price of bitcoin.

I think you're the retarded one.

Dumbfck, i'm not talking about the risk in buying mining rig. The whole mining expense and ROI are based on fiat. So you're hoping the price of btc doesnt fall.

Both mining difficulty and price of btc affect your mining business. But dumb fcks like you dont see it.
As the OP, I request you no longer respond to this thread.  Your attitude and language is far too abusive to be tolerable.  Well considered argument as in respectful debate/rebuttal/discussion is entirely welcome, but what you are providing is not.  Please move on!

Thanks -- Trevor!

Yeah that's really uncalled for.  I noticed he has been railing on xstr8guy in multiple threads.  Remember that people have sold Bitcointalk accounts so it's possible his account was sold or hijacked.
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August 24, 2014, 10:41:56 AM
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As mining becomes more and more difficult and expensive, fewer and fewer people will mine.
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Am I missing something? (Hopefully!)

Both of these things can't be true at the same time, if more mining power is leaving than joining then mining gets less difficult and less expensive.
So I've learned, as hash power is reduced, difficulty likewise reduces.  On the other hand, the halving process continues doesn't it?  Doesn't that have the same net effect as increasing difficulty?

It depends on what portion of the mining payout is block reward and fees. If fees are a very small part then yes the halfing has the same effect as difficulty doubling - miners will make half of what they did before. This already happened once, and yet mining hashrate continued to grow - why? because bitcoin is still growing, more users == higher price == more incentive to mine.

One of the common failures when analysing bitcoin is to consider future events but assume that the state of the ecosystem will be the same as today. If Bitcoin keeps growing, when future halvings occur the price per coin will be much higher, and the transaction fees will be a bigger part of the mining reward - some day they will exceed the block reward.

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