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January 12, 2015, 05:44:25 AM
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Nagle?
More or less, yes. I still haven't seen a convincing use case for Bitcoin. The Silk Road and China bubbles only lasted until the relevant regulators could stop them. As a payment mechanism, Bitcoin is mediocre. Bitcoin for remittances didn't go anywhere.
Bitcoin never became the petty cash of the Internet. And Bitcoin is an ever bigger crook magnet than I expected. There's still no Bitcoin exchange with proper auditing, and the failure rate of Bitcoin exchanges is well over 50% now.

I was expecting Bitcoin to become a currency used for little stuff like music tracks and in-game purchases. That would be useful, but it never happened.




Clifford, is that you? http://www.newsweek.com/clifford-stoll-why-web-wont-be-nirvana-185306

These things take time. A lot more than 6 years. Sheesh.

(you're also wrong about various assertions, but I tire of dissecting your posts)

The Newsweek article is awesome, thanks.   Smiley
How can one short article be wrong about so many details?


You're welcome. It's easy to forget for how long the internet sucked. Arpanet launched in 1969. Mr. Stoll was writing in 1995, seeing effectively no material influence on society having occurred in the intervening 25 years, despite the grandiose predictions of myriad visionaries.

I'll bet Mr. Stoll wishes he'd waited another 5 years or so before declaring defeat.

The optimists are often right; but it does often take longer than they expect.


And ICYMI, here's the famous "fax machine" quote from Nobel Laureate Paul Krugman from mid-1998 (which, unlike Mr. Stoll, is inexcusably late):

Quote from: Krugman
By 2005 or so, it will become clear that the Internet's impact on the economy has been no greater than the fax machine's.
http://web.archive.org/web/19980610100009/www.redherring.com/mag/issue55/economics.html



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January 12, 2015, 05:57:18 AM
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Nagle?
More or less, yes. I still haven't seen a convincing use case for Bitcoin. The Silk Road and China bubbles only lasted until the relevant regulators could stop them. As a payment mechanism, Bitcoin is mediocre. Bitcoin for remittances didn't go anywhere.
Bitcoin never became the petty cash of the Internet. And Bitcoin is an ever bigger crook magnet than I expected. There's still no Bitcoin exchange with proper auditing, and the failure rate of Bitcoin exchanges is well over 50% now.

I was expecting Bitcoin to become a currency used for little stuff like music tracks and in-game purchases. That would be useful, but it never happened.




Clifford, is that you? http://www.newsweek.com/clifford-stoll-why-web-wont-be-nirvana-185306

These things take time. A lot more than 6 years. Sheesh.

(you're also wrong about various assertions, but I tire of dissecting your posts)

The Newsweek article is awesome, thanks.   Smiley
How can one short article be wrong about so many details?

O give Clifford Stoll a break. The only reason that as late as 1995 he thought that people would never do (gasp) commerce over the Internet was because .... drumroll .... he was waiting for bitcoin!

Even if there were a trustworthy way to send money over the Internet—which there isn't ....

Wink

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January 12, 2015, 05:59:39 AM
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Nagle?
More or less, yes. I still haven't seen a convincing use case for Bitcoin. The Silk Road and China bubbles only lasted until the relevant regulators could stop them. As a payment mechanism, Bitcoin is mediocre. Bitcoin for remittances didn't go anywhere.
Bitcoin never became the petty cash of the Internet. And Bitcoin is an ever bigger crook magnet than I expected. There's still no Bitcoin exchange with proper auditing, and the failure rate of Bitcoin exchanges is well over 50% now.

I was expecting Bitcoin to become a currency used for little stuff like music tracks and in-game purchases. That would be useful, but it never happened.




Clifford, is that you? http://www.newsweek.com/clifford-stoll-why-web-wont-be-nirvana-185306

These things take time. A lot more than 6 years. Sheesh.

(you're also wrong about various assertions, but I tire of dissecting your posts)

The Newsweek article is awesome, thanks.   Smiley
How can one short article be wrong about so many details?

O give Clifford Stoll a break. The only reason that as late as 1995 he thought that people would never do (gasp) commerce over the Internet was because .... drumroll .... he was waiting for bitcoin!

Even if there were a trustworthy way to send money over the Internet—which there isn't ....

Wink


If memory serves, Robert Metcalfe also pointed to the lack of an insecure online payment method as a critical flaw with the thesis that the internet would transform commerce.

Bitcoin is the first monetary system to credibly offer perfect information to all economic participants.
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