How to discuss hardware manufacturers was Re: BFL fucked us over again

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

While I have questioned the forums rules in the past I have come to the conclusion that the mods/admins have acted in a proper manner whether you like it or not. Try to look at everything from another angle than yours.

Try posting a link to Theymos' dox located at blockchain.info and see how quickly your opinion changes.

Yep. Seriously, RoadStress, go post theymos' dox (google and you'll find it) and see what happens.

[sbogovac]

I am all for free speech.

That is the (origine and) nature of fora.

As long as everybody stays "civil" (and more or less on topic) anything goes (even ad hominem et al).

If you would like the "facts" please bookmark the court filings page and read them yourself.

If you like discussion put your big boy pants on and go through the whole nine yards...  

[Rampton]

While I have questioned the forums rules in the past I have come to the conclusion that the mods/admins have acted in a proper manner whether you like it or not. Try to look at everything from another angle than yours.

Try posting a link to Theymos' dox located at blockchain.info and see how quickly your opinion changes.

Yep. Seriously, RoadStress, go post theymos' dox (google and you'll find it) and see what happens.

What will happen? I thought the policy was not to remove dox? If the info is out there or on google what would it matter anyhow?

[JorgeStolfi]

This thread is to discuss what kind of stuff is admissible in the other thread, and other thread policy issues.  That is why it is in the "Meta" section of the forum.  Substantive posts and factual material about the BFL case should go the other thread.

[JorgeStolfi]

ANYTHING goes in that BFL fucks us over again so whats the point of this really! @ jorge - So yes, Another pointless thread!

That's the point, people interested in the BFL case were tired of reading posts with zero useful information.  This thread is to discuss what belongs there (or in other threads that may be created for subtopics, I don't know).  No one has to read this thread.  I myself am glad that the issue is being discussed, but I won't be paying much attention to this thread.

[Xian01]

While I have questioned the forums rules in the past I have come to the conclusion that the mods/admins have acted in a proper manner whether you like it or not. Try to look at everything from another angle than yours.

Try posting a link to Theymos' dox located at blockchain.info and see how quickly your opinion changes.

Yep. Seriously, RoadStress, go post theymos' dox (google and you'll find it) and see what happens.

What will happen? I thought the policy was not to remove dox? If the info is out there or on google what would it matter anyhow?

If it's an indication, I was banned for 45 days for doing so.

Fact: Joshua "Inaba" / "Nitrowolf" Zerlan of Butterfly Labs made it part of his career to dox and intimidate vocal people in the community that spoke out against them.

Fact: Josh Zerlan of Butterfly Labs paid Michael "Theymos" Marquardt significant advertising funds over the course of perpetuating their fraud^[1].

Fact: Michael Marquardt did nothing to remove the dox that Joshua Zerlan posted despite protestations of his victims.

Fact: Michael Marquardt bans people that post his dox, and removes the offending posts while allowing Butterfly Labs' intimidation dox to remain.

Ergo, Michael Marquardt is a profiteering hypocrite who materially benefitted from Butterfly Labs and others that defrauded this community, while taking their advertising monies, looking the other way, and allows them to continue their bad behavior while he bans others for the same bad behavior.

Finally, I need to again call attention to the fact Michael Marquardt is paying out, by his own admission, an absolutely asinine sum of $100,000^[2] per month for development of new forums software.

-Christian "Xian" / "Xian01" Antkow

[1]: http://ia802308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.docket.html
[2]: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2m6zmi/mark_karpeles_attorneys_are_legally_laundering/cm1tjmk

[JorgeStolfi]

It seems that this community views anonymity as a sacred right, and discovering the real identity of ("doxxing") of someone as a mortal sin.  Sorry, I don't buy that.

While it may be OK for people to use pseudonyms, it is also OK for people to blow them.  In any significant personal interaction each party has the right to know the identity of the other.  In commercial business, in particular, it is foolish to make a deal without knowing the other party's real name and photo, and the address where the police can be sent to; and without checking his professional history and legal record.  That applies not only to the principals of companies, but also to key employees.  The "right to dox" also applies to anyone who accuses or insults someone.   

In particular, I think it is quite appropriate for BFL clients to try to uncover the identity of the "SLoK" who managed the BFL forum (under a deal that has not been clarified) and may hold assets that should be surrendered to the receiver.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

While I have questioned the forums rules in the past I have come to the conclusion that the mods/admins have acted in a proper manner whether you like it or not. Try to look at everything from another angle than yours.

Try posting a link to Theymos' dox located at blockchain.info and see how quickly your opinion changes.

Yep. Seriously, RoadStress, go post theymos' dox (google and you'll find it) and see what happens.

What will happen? I thought the policy was not to remove dox? If the info is out there or on google what would it matter anyhow?

If it's an indication, I was banned for 45 days for doing so.

Fact: Joshua "Inaba" / "Nitrowolf" Zerlan of Butterfly Labs made it part of his career to dox and intimidate vocal people in the community that spoke out against them.

Fact: Josh Zerlan of Butterfly Labs paid Michael "Theymos" Marquardt significant advertising funds over the course of perpetuating their fraud^[1].

Fact: Michael Marquardt did nothing to remove the dox that Joshua Zerlan posted despite protestations of his victims.

Fact: Michael Marquardt bans people that post his dox, and removes the offending posts while allowing Butterfly Labs' intimidation dox to remain.

Ergo, Michael Marquardt is a profiteering hypocrite who materially benefitted from Butterfly Labs and others that defrauded this community, while taking their advertising monies, looking the other way, and allows them to continue their bad behavior while he bans others for the same bad behavior.

Finally, I need to again call attention to the fact Michael Marquardt is paying out, by his own admission, an absolutely asinine sum of $100,000^[2] per month for development of new forums software.

-Christian "Xian" / "Xian01" Antkow

[1]: http://ia802308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.docket.html
[2]: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2m6zmi/mark_karpeles_attorneys_are_legally_laundering/cm1tjmk

What "reason" did theymos give you?

It's quite funny how the OP of this thread, PuertoLibre (iirc) was one of those that Josh Zerlan dox'd..

It seems that this community views anonymity as a sacred right, and discovering the real identity of ("doxxing") of someone as a mortal sin.  Sorry, I don't buy that.

While it may be OK for people to use pseudonyms, it is also OK for people to blow them.  In any significant personal interaction each party has the right to know the identity of the other.  In commercial business, in particular, it is foolish to make a deal without knowing the other party's real name and photo, and the address where the police can be sent to; and without checking his professional history and legal record.  That applies not only to the principals of companies, but also to key employees.  The "right to dox" also applies to anyone who accuses or insults someone.   

In particular, I think it is quite appropriate for BFL clients to try to uncover the identity of the "SLoK" who managed the BFL forum (under a deal that has not been clarified) and may hold assets that should be surrendered to the receiver.

We basically all agree with that. We're talking about theymos banning anyone that posts his dox.

[Xian01]

What "reason" did theymos give you?

Trolling - 45 days