Potential Scammer - JonnyQuid

[Quickseller]

Even the most reputable members of the forum always offer escrow (even if they are on the top 8 escrow list). JonnyQuid was offering to use escrow that he thought to be safe (LBC) while you demanded that he send first. You may have a difference in opinion on what kind of escrow service can be relied upon however he was offering to use some kind of escrow. I am not endorsing LBC nor saying that you cannot scam via LBC however a lot of successful trades are done via LBC

Fair enough. I've never interacted with LBC escrow, and I just assumed it was less than legit (Or at least not as secure as a normal forum escrow).

If it was a little huge to open a scam accusation thread then so be it, but there's two things here that aren't right:

1: JonnyQuid left false feedback stating that I have multiple accounts and try to scam sellers. There's no evidence of that.

2: I got a slice of negative feedback for asking that a new user "send first". That doesn't make sense.

Shipitbuddy is another user who does business fairly often - Tomato left him a neutral Trust stating "Use escrow", etc. That would be more appropriate here than getting "neg repped". I got the message - it seems just as shady (less, actually) when I ask -anyone- to send a non-refundable currency to me without escrow, but I hardly think that deserves negative trust from a big name around here.

I dunno. This is just a bit irksome that when I open a thread on someone else, I get neg repped. Obviously I won't be doing that any more, but if you check my post history, I've made scam accusations before that were spot on.

You should never ask a trading partner to send first. If you are not comfortable sending first then you should say something along the lines of the fact that you will accept escrow if they are not comfortable sending first. When I am trading with someone I will say something like this:

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Please confirm that you are comfortable sending first and i will send you a payment address, or if not then please contact an escrow service of your choice via a group PM to get escrow setup

[WorldWideBTC]

You should never ask a trading partner to send first. If you are not comfortable sending first then you should say something along the lines of the fact that you will accept escrow if they are not comfortable sending first. When I am trading with someone I will say something like this:

Fair enough. If they refuse escrow or push sending first, then it's scammy as hell. I get the point.

We ALL know bitcointalk is full of scammers, long term and short term. This could very much be a hacked or sold account with the scammer being smart and waiting instead of trying to scam right away.

My account has never been hacked or sold. I've used the same wallet address since I opened the account last year.

The only proof I have of this is that I can tell you the exact mailing address from which I shipped those PCI-E riser cables last year.

[FFrankie]

I'm not taking sides or accusing anyone of anything but how is it fair that JonnyQuid gets negative feedback from both redsn0w and Tomatocage but WorldWideBTC doesn't.

JonnyQuid was willing to use escrow through localbitcoins. This is not a surprise. There are quite a few people here who prefer localbitcoins over trusted forum members. I myself dealt with trusted members here who wouldn't use escrow through forum members but had no problems with localbitcoins.

Tomato and redsn0w, did you miss this message from WorldWideBTC:

My Trust is flawless. If you're serious about selling your coins, send the 1.25 BTC to: 1DVNbLRM8q65D7moYJWcNTLHpPLmVUGsR7

He wanted JonnyQuid to send first, no escrow. Right?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=205881 - Last trust was left in March 2014. WorldWideBTC was away for awhile, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=550247.msg6016121#msg6016121 posted on April 1, 2014 and his next post was on December 12, 2014, unless I'm missing something like deleted posts.

We ALL know bitcointalk is full of scammers, long term and short term. This could very much be a hacked or sold account with the scammer being smart and waiting instead of trying to scam right away.

Like I said at the beginning, I'm not accusing anyone but if this was a scam, it could have gone either way.

if WWBTC is a scammer,

[WorldWideBTC]

I'm not taking sides or accusing anyone of anything but how is it fair that JonnyQuid gets negative feedback from both redsn0w and Tomatocage but WorldWideBTC doesn't.

JonnyQuid was willing to use escrow through localbitcoins. This is not a surprise. There are quite a few people here who prefer localbitcoins over trusted forum members. I myself dealt with trusted members here who wouldn't use escrow through forum members but had no problems with localbitcoins.

Tomato and redsn0w, did you miss this message from WorldWideBTC:

My Trust is flawless. If you're serious about selling your coins, send the 1.25 BTC to: 1DVNbLRM8q65D7moYJWcNTLHpPLmVUGsR7

He wanted JonnyQuid to send first, no escrow. Right?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=205881 - Last trust was left in March 2014. WorldWideBTC was away for awhile, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=550247.msg6016121#msg6016121 posted on April 1, 2014 and his next post was on December 12, 2014, unless I'm missing something like deleted posts.

We ALL know bitcointalk is full of scammers, long term and short term. This could very much be a hacked or sold account with the scammer being smart and waiting instead of trying to scam right away.

Like I said at the beginning, I'm not accusing anyone but if this was a scam, it could have gone either way.

if WWBTC is a scammer, then he is a pretty shitty one because me and him were going to do a trade, but it didnt work out, and I have his phone number, first and last name, facebook, and physical addresses and we didnt even trade

1: Our trade didn't work out because you tried to use a credit card to pay for WU and couldn't get authorized. The same with MG. You claimed to have $1300 in cash but never offered to pay cash. You updated your thread stating you had cash and attempted to use a credit card for about two hours.

2: That isn't my phone number. That's a dump phone. I would never give out my cell line to anyone on a forum (No offense, but that's a great way to get spam calls).

3: You don't have my physical address. You have a city/state/zip.

4: You saying things like that could be interpreted as you farming users for their identities.

[WorldWideBTC]

I was going to rant and yell at you a bit about privacy, but I don't really care. You didn't get my address from the credentials you had. I'd just like to point out that many members of the Bitcoin community wouldn't be happy if you skim their personal details like that. Someone's name is given to you for business reasons, and that's where it should end. Unless a bounty is posted on someone, you really shouldn't be advertising that you have someone's details. It's simply rude.

/endrant

[FFrankie]

im sorry, I wont be telling anyone, even if theres a bounty ill edit my post. sent you a pm about how i got it tho

[WorldWideBTC]

I'd like to point out this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=914784.0

This user is "allowing" escrow for orders over $1000, but specifically forcing users to send first if it's under a certain dollar amount.

I received negative trust from TomatoCage for insisting that a new account with a suspicious checklist of conditions send first.

Why hasn't this user also received negative trust for this thread?