Anything sustainable worth of investing?

[Minerjoe]

Hey guys,

I post these questions a lot recently on different forums but I ve not been able to receive a satisfactory answer. Has BTC economy really turned into a sea of ponzies and scam?
Is there ANYTHING worth of investing these days? Anything which might provide sustainable dividend, regardless of how low it might be?

Pls do not post cryptodublers, pyramid schemes, 5% per day ROI websites and similar junk. Only verifiable and transparent options pls.

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Hey guys,

I post these questions a lot recently on different forums but I ve not been able to receive a satisfactory answer. Has BTC economy really turned into a sea of ponzies and scam?
Is there ANYTHING worth of investing these days? Anything which might provide sustainable dividend, regardless of how low it might be?

Pls do not post cryptodublers, pyramid schemes, 5% per day ROI websites and similar junk. Only verifiable and transparent options pls.

No , not at all. Unless a legal framework isnt set up for bitcoin businesses and bitcoin stock exchanges  , its really hard to find a sustainable ( paying dividends more than +1 years ) bitcoin business.

And it seems at least 2-3 years we have to wait for that.

[BrianM]

There are honest and noble people left in bitcoin.
They can be a bit hard to find but they are there.
I have both encountered nasty scammers and very nice honest and friendly people.
But in real life it is the same, I am 48, and I have meet many people in my life that I would not trust with one single dollar,
but I have also meet people that I would trust my life to.

[Minerjoe]

There are honest and noble people left in bitcoin.
They can be a bit hard to find but they are there.
I have both encountered nasty scammers and very nice honest and friendly people.
But in real life it is the same, I am 48, and I have meet many people in my life that I would not trust with one single dollar,
but I have also meet people that I would trust my life to.

I fully agree but I would appreciate examples inside the BTC economy. So we can help these honest people can funding for their projects and deny the same to scammers.

[Timetwister]

I wish there was. The only decent investment that I have found is Bitfinex (lending BTC/USD there), and I'm not even sure about that one.

[Minerjoe]

I wish there was. The only decent investment that I have found is Bitfinex (lending BTC/USD there), and I'm not even sure about that one.

How can we expect BTC ecosystem to develop then. If there s nothing we can actually invest in??

[runam0k]

I'm hoping the new SEC crowdfunding rules (i.e. start-ups are now able to raise up to $50m from non-accredited investors) will help.

Part of the problem, put simply, is that only people willing to break the law have been involved in offering BTC securities to date (because, duh, public offer rules are enormously restrictive -- 99% of BTC offerings are illegal).  Invaraibly, inevitably, they are exactly the sort of people willing to run with funds or otherwise shaft investors.  Welcome to Libertaria.

Hopefully we'll see more bona fide start-ups raising BTC funding in legit public offerings in future.  Start-ups with real people who make real disclosures and who are subject to real due diligence.  Some will fail, of course, but that's the nature of high risk, high return investments.

[gogxmagog]

put simply; NOP

[medUSA]

Has BTC economy really turned into a sea of ponzies and scam?
Is there ANYTHING worth of investing these days?

I afraid so. A business which looks profitable and sustainable could turn into a scam any minute. An investor had no way to know that beforehand. The only way to verify authenticity of a business is to make a visit to the address and see for yourself. This is difficult since bitcoin businesses could be anywhere in the world.

It is not the time yet for bitcoin denominated investments. I expect them to be more a few years down the road.

[Lboss]

Hey guys,

I post these questions a lot recently on different forums but I ve not been able to receive a satisfactory answer. Has BTC economy really turned into a sea of ponzies and scam?
Is there ANYTHING worth of investing these days? Anything which might provide sustainable dividend, regardless of how low it might be?

Pls do not post cryptodublers, pyramid schemes, 5% per day ROI websites and similar junk. Only verifiable and transparent options pls.

I dont think there are no sustainable crypto currency denominated stocks.

They dont have to be  scam but sometimes its just lack of management skills or changing nature of BTC related businesses (mining: wrong design ; late delivery).
So, even if you find some company which seems pretty legit and trusthworthy, this doesnt mean it will go forever.

Im not taking this risk anymore. Trading altcoin , investing innovative altcoin make much more sense and less risky to me. Before investor protection by laws, I will just stay away from BTC stocks or businesses.

[Minerjoe]

So you are telling me this entire industry consist of mining, exchanges and hoarding???

[Phildo]

For something to be sustainable you need a company that can actually generate bitcoins AND that you can trust to not screw you over. You need to trust them not to screw you over, in general, which appears to be hard enough, AND you need to find someone so trustworthy that they won't screw you over under the immense pressure to screw you over that would come up if the price goes up significantly.

It doesn't really make sense to invest in someone that's going to sell the coins to get cash to do something, because they will not be able to pay back your coins if the price goes up. And it appears that it's been almost if not completely impossible to find someone trustworthy enough.

[Minerjoe]

I have to say I am really worried about this entire economy. It s true that we re still in the early stages of development of meaningfull crypto securities markets but NOTHING. I guess it s in human nature to scam if allowed to do so.

[Branny]

I have to say I am really worried about this entire economy. It s true that we re still in the early stages of development of meaningfull crypto securities markets but NOTHING. I guess it s in human nature to scam if allowed to do so.

If you look at most hashing organizations, and then look at historical difficulty, growth of bitcoin and the like it SHOULD be pretty apparent to people that if you want a solid investment (Not one for churn and burn) then there really aren't any mining companies out there that has a sustainable business, because mining in of itself isn't overly sustainable in a long term way unless you have severe capital and hardware infrastructure. Usually if you have those two you don't have to rely on internet investors in exchanges.

I certainly wouldn't say that all businesses are in violation of the SEC rules, believe it or not, some companies on the market do retain legal advisory and they've indicated that deals CAN be structured legally to accept investment.

SEC's A+ system is by far one of the best things to happen to crowdfunding in the US. The requirements are absolutely fantastic, and terms are great to small businesses who are starting up. Granted, out of all the businesses on HL, cryptostocks and the like, very few will be able to meet the requirements (We will be one of the few that is eligible and will go for A+ as soon as the SEC rules are finalized in 60 days).

Additionally, it hasn't helped the bitcoin ecosystem that most investors as well as issuers want to retain as much anonymity as possible. A honest question that people need to ask is how many issuers can you think of could be reached by phone or physical mail during the startup and issuing phases of business? I can't think of many, almost all of them were email addresses, and websites and nothing more. Sure some had names, but most people successfully faded into the background once their scam was complete, or the business faltered.

With A+ there's certainly going to be more investor protections, but people will need to realize that the average startup failure is in the 60% range already, and with new tech it's even higher. Rewards are certainly high, but i can't think of any bitcoin-specific entities that have done quite well, granted a few  are still establishing themselves and haven't collapsed yet.

[Bonam]

Hey guys,

I post these questions a lot recently on different forums but I ve not been able to receive a satisfactory answer. Has BTC economy really turned into a sea of ponzies and scam?
Is there ANYTHING worth of investing these days? Anything which might provide sustainable dividend, regardless of how low it might be?

Short answer: No.

Long answer: Definitely not.

[PeterB]

Hey guys,

I post these questions a lot recently on different forums but I ve not been able to receive a satisfactory answer. Has BTC economy really turned into a sea of ponzies and scam?
Is there ANYTHING worth of investing these days? Anything which might provide sustainable dividend, regardless of how low it might be?

Pls do not post cryptodublers, pyramid schemes, 5% per day ROI websites and similar junk. Only verifiable and transparent options pls.

Possibly there are a few out of the hundreds of scams.  The problem is that you won't know until after the fact.

[Minerjoe]

Hey guys,

I post these questions a lot recently on different forums but I ve not been able to receive a satisfactory answer. Has BTC economy really turned into a sea of ponzies and scam?
Is there ANYTHING worth of investing these days? Anything which might provide sustainable dividend, regardless of how low it might be?

Pls do not post cryptodublers, pyramid schemes, 5% per day ROI websites and similar junk. Only verifiable and transparent options pls.

Possibly there are a few out of the hundreds of scams.  The problem is that you won't know until after the fact.

Hah, yes, I understand crypto s a very fertile ground for scams and ponzies. This is the reason why we have such a limited growth after all.

[RAXS]

No!

If you stay away from bitcoin securities you'll have more money.

[Little P 1]

if you do your research you can find a few gems.

[nwfella]

Hey guys,

I post these questions a lot recently on different forums but I ve not been able to receive a satisfactory answer. Has BTC economy really turned into a sea of ponzies and scam?
Is there ANYTHING worth of investing these days? Anything which might provide sustainable dividend, regardless of how low it might be?

Short answer: No.

Long answer: Definitely not.

lmao.  too true too true!

The few and far between legitimate stocks that I've come across (cryptsy, rentalstarter) haven't even really ROI'd at this point nor are they likely too anytime soon.  If your fortunate enough to know a big enough fish that has the wherewithall to pull off the next coinbase and manage to invest in him/her early then you might get lucky, but no, for the most part majority of bitcoin related securities in my experience have been mostly booty.

[Branny]

Hey guys,

I post these questions a lot recently on different forums but I ve not been able to receive a satisfactory answer. Has BTC economy really turned into a sea of ponzies and scam?
Is there ANYTHING worth of investing these days? Anything which might provide sustainable dividend, regardless of how low it might be?

Short answer: No.

Long answer: Definitely not.

lmao.  too true too true!

The few and far between legitimate stocks that I've come across (cryptsy, rentalstarter) haven't even really ROI'd at this point nor are they likely too anytime soon.  If your fortunate enough to know a big enough fish that has the wherewithall to pull off the next coinbase and manage to invest in him/her early then you might get lucky, but no, for the most part majority of bitcoin related securities in my experience have been mostly booty.

The big problem with the big ventures (Specifically something like coinbase) is they USUALLY have access to quality VC, which means there's no reason to deal with crowd investors.

With RS, we have had little options up until recently with alternative investments, so bitcoin was a very viable way of attracting reasonable investment in a short time frame. Additionally with being a real estate startup, and one that isn't simply property management or a simple leveraged property, ROIs are much longer term, but still there.

[Minerjoe]

Hey guys,

I post these questions a lot recently on different forums but I ve not been able to receive a satisfactory answer. Has BTC economy really turned into a sea of ponzies and scam?
Is there ANYTHING worth of investing these days? Anything which might provide sustainable dividend, regardless of how low it might be?

Short answer: No.

Long answer: Definitely not.

lmao.  too true too true!

The few and far between legitimate stocks that I've come across (cryptsy, rentalstarter) haven't even really ROI'd at this point nor are they likely too anytime soon.  If your fortunate enough to know a big enough fish that has the wherewithall to pull off the next coinbase and manage to invest in him/her early then you might get lucky, but no, for the most part majority of bitcoin related securities in my experience have been mostly booty.

The big problem with the big ventures (Specifically something like coinbase) is they USUALLY have access to quality VC, which means there's no reason to deal with crowd investors.

With RS, we have had little options up until recently with alternative investments, so bitcoin was a very viable way of attracting reasonable investment in a short time frame. Additionally with being a real estate startup, and one that isn't simply property management or a simple leveraged property, ROIs are much longer term, but still there.

Rentalstarter? How does that work?

[Branny]

We used bitcoin investment to buy cheap houses to renovate and then rent out to people in the midwest US.

We're on Havelock, have been in operation since July 2013.

[cryptojumper]

if you are talking about big amounts like thousands of dollars then i don't think its worth to invest anywhere in crypto securities or mining, because profit is small these days and risk is huge. but its ok to play with small amounts, i will invest as soon as i have 1 btc

[damiano]

I wish there was. The only decent investment that I have found is Bitfinex (lending BTC/USD there), and I'm not even sure about that one.

Bitfinex is probably the safest currently. 

[Minerjoe]

I wish there was. The only decent investment that I have found is Bitfinex (lending BTC/USD there), and I'm not even sure about that one.

Bitfinex is probably the safest currently. 

What exactly? Lending?

[Minerjoe]

We used bitcoin investment to buy cheap houses to renovate and then rent out to people in the midwest US.

We're on Havelock, have been in operation since July 2013.

ROI data s not so encouraging, if I m not mistaking. Also, after current Amhash disaster, I m reluctant to deal with Havelock ever again.

[Branny]

We used bitcoin investment to buy cheap houses to renovate and then rent out to people in the midwest US.

We're on Havelock, have been in operation since July 2013.

ROI data s not so encouraging, if I m not mistaking. Also, after current Amhash disaster, I m reluctant to deal with Havelock ever again.

Are you confusing company ROI and ROE with dividends?

[Minerjoe]

We used bitcoin investment to buy cheap houses to renovate and then rent out to people in the midwest US.

We're on Havelock, have been in operation since July 2013.

ROI data s not so encouraging, if I m not mistaking. Also, after current Amhash disaster, I m reluctant to deal with Havelock ever again.

Are you confusing company ROI and ROE with dividends?

No, I would like to know what is my expected monthly return on 10 BTC investment? I know this depends on several elements but I m searching for your best guess based on previous performance. Also, is there a website or a thread with more info I can take a look at?

[BrianM]

I wish there was. The only decent investment that I have found is Bitfinex (lending BTC/USD there), and I'm not even sure about that one.

How can we expect BTC ecosystem to develop then. If there s nothing we can actually invest in??

Buy bitcoin and hold them?

Well, just trolling, honestly:
I think that some of those dice sites are a good choice, just-dice has this investment option.
Just-dice has been in the game for long enough time to be called "trusted".
But there is always a chance that the site is hacked or the owners (or some of the programmers) take all the coins and run.
In real life there are also risk, there are many who was scammed on stocks, buying a promissing stock that was just a pump'n'dump with no real potential,
that happen all the time. Saw a documentary about it.
I think the key is to invest in many different things so you can take a hit or two and still be ahead.

[superbit]

I wish there was. The only decent investment that I have found is Bitfinex (lending BTC/USD there), and I'm not even sure about that one.

Bitfinex is probably the safest currently. 

What exactly? Lending?

Lending in BTC and/or USD.  I don't have a lot in there at all but have been doing it for over 2 years, never had a problem.

[Minerjoe]

I wish there was. The only decent investment that I have found is Bitfinex (lending BTC/USD there), and I'm not even sure about that one.

Bitfinex is probably the safest currently. 

What exactly? Lending?

Lending in BTC and/or USD.  I don't have a lot in there at all but have been doing it for over 2 years, never had a problem.

Lending seems as an interesting option. Have also checked BTClend and other similar sites. The main problem is collateral. None of lending sites has managed to solve this issue.

[gogxmagog]

the problem is, even if you run an honest business
disaster can happen
and there is no guarantee that the investor will be protected.

what if a tornado wiped out RS's properties?

sorry to paint a gloomy picture
but everything in this sub has disappointed so far
and i'm nothing but cynical now

if you invest here
in any offering
no matter what
expect to lose

[Branny]

the problem is, even if you run an honest business
disaster can happen
and there is no guarantee that the investor will be protected.

what if a tornado wiped out RS's properties?

sorry to paint a gloomy picture
but everything in this sub has disappointed so far
and i'm nothing but cynical now

if you invest here
in any offering
no matter what
expect to lose

Insurance

[nickallot]

ok the only trustable guys I have found are www.bizingit.com they offer a messily 6.5% Per annum account, but interest is calculated daily so its really 6.95% per annum

but here's the kick in the guts the account minimum needs to be $5000 USD which is way to steep and they base the value and payment of interest of all accounts on the USD and not bitcoin which means if bitcoin skyrockets your left with a guaranteed 7% profit so theoretically you could lose bitcoins by investing with these guys  a good start but im sure others could do better

[crazyivan]

ok the only trustable guys I have found are www.bizingit.com they offer a messily 6.5% Per annum account, but interest is calculated daily so its really 6.95% per annum

but here's the kick in the guts the account minimum needs to be $5000 USD which is way to steep and they base the value and payment of interest of all accounts on the USD and not bitcoin which means if bitcoin skyrockets your left with a guaranteed 7% profit so theoretically you could lose bitcoins by investing with these guys  a good start but im sure others could do better

Yeah, really trustable guys. The domain expired a few days ago. Pls do not post this kind of junk anymore.

[nickallot]

sorry dude I was only trying to help I just knew they were legit they are a small consulting company from Australia, isn't there a bitcoin bank on tor that offers 20% a month returns does anyone know of the name and or tor web address cheers nick

[nickallot]

can someone create a list of proven reputable investment products for bitcoins and or investment opportunities i.e like current ipos, can you buy shares with bitcoins of current trading companies and is there a marketplace for this and/or is there any reputable forex companies as well that offers bitcoin as a deposit method do your worst people

[majeis]

Risk management learned through a trial by fire and diversification so you don't lose all your eggs in one go will be your only saving grace in the world of crypto if you want investments that are "worth it." Sustainable? Probably not. They come and go with the flow of events. Move with the tide.

[crazyivan]

can someone create a list of proven reputable investment products for bitcoins and or investment opportunities i.e like current ipos, can you buy shares with bitcoins of current trading companies and is there a marketplace for this and/or is there any reputable forex companies as well that offers bitcoin as a deposit method do your worst people

Its impossible to do that. Even the most legit companies could go bad. I tend to avoid anything with ROI under a year, 99% of those are scams.

[crowetic]

We are offering BURST assets that are based around the function of our company and our new products. We also base our assets on trading. We have enough power in mining to back them all and we keep adding more. Right now the ROI is around a year, but we're constantly adding more to give more to everyone. Our main asset is called ByteEnt. Backed by fee on our pool (second largest currently in the world for BURST.)

We also offer a more risky investment that is based off our altcoin trading. Then another that pays interest of 2% a month.

They are trusted investments that we will continue to build and make better.

We have a great team and continue to release new projects.

(currently the block explorer is down for some maintenance and switching to a new server as the coder for this is currently out of town.)


I know this isn't a BTC investment, (well, aside from the most risky asset which we only accept BTC for as to not dump BURST.) But I just wanted to show that there are a few people still trying to offer legit investments for people in the crypto market.

http://byte.enterprises

edit: we also plan to offer a true cloudmining operation that is based in BURST. The reason this can work is due to BURST being mined on hard drives. The model is completely different than someone mining BTC. The power consumption is MUCH lower. Only issue currently is BURST price causing ROI to be longer than a year, so I can't price anything exactly right to work for everyone quite yet. But that is down the line we still plan to offer this as well. If we can make it feasible.

If we do offer any cloud setups, proof will be provided in forms of accounts you can watch mining on our pool, and pictures of the farm given to those who ask in PM. Could also arrange for video.

But this is still a ways off yet.

[nickallot]

thank you its good to hear, to many people want to build pyramids or play magic games and expect to double there money over night a  one year Return on Investment for me is an amazing return I have never heard of BURST though

[crazyivan]

We are offering BURST assets that are based around the function of our company and our new products. We also base our assets on trading. We have enough power in mining to back them all and we keep adding more. Right now the ROI is around a year, but we're constantly adding more to give more to everyone. Our main asset is called ByteEnt. Backed by fee on our pool (second largest currently in the world for BURST.)

We also offer a more risky investment that is based off our altcoin trading. Then another that pays interest of 2% a month.

They are trusted investments that we will continue to build and make better.

We have a great team and continue to release new projects.

(currently the block explorer is down for some maintenance and switching to a new server as the coder for this is currently out of town.)


I know this isn't a BTC investment, (well, aside from the most risky asset which we only accept BTC for as to not dump BURST.) But I just wanted to show that there are a few people still trying to offer legit investments for people in the crypto market.

http://byte.enterprises

edit: we also plan to offer a true cloudmining operation that is based in BURST. The reason this can work is due to BURST being mined on hard drives. The model is completely different than someone mining BTC. The power consumption is MUCH lower. Only issue currently is BURST price causing ROI to be longer than a year, so I can't price anything exactly right to work for everyone quite yet. But that is down the line we still plan to offer this as well. If we can make it feasible.

If we do offer any cloud setups, proof will be provided in forms of accounts you can watch mining on our pool, and pictures of the farm given to those who ask in PM. Could also arrange for video.

But this is still a ways off yet.

This sounds interesting. What are up to date results of the fund? Is there any table where we can see how did you do in the past?

[ensurance982]

I think the only things that are quite reliable in the Bitcoin space to make some money still are the casinos... They're sustainable in a way that, well, they have a mathematical house-edge on their side. But still, it's a questionable business and they can still run away with the money..

[MultiDice]

You might consider investing in MultiDice. We are looking for investors to increase our bankroll. Every investment increases maximum win percentage for the players.

[nickallot]

ok the only trustable guys I have found are www.bizingit.com they offer a messily 6.5% Per annum account, but interest is calculated daily so its really 6.95% per annum

but here's the kick in the guts the account minimum needs to be $5000 USD which is way to steep and they base the value and payment of interest of all accounts on the USD and not bitcoin which means if bitcoin skyrockets your left with a guaranteed 7% profit so theoretically you could lose bitcoins by investing with these guys  a good start but im sure others could do better

Yeah, really trustable guys. The domain expired a few days ago. Pls do not post this kind of junk anymore.

I didn't know what you were going on about I checked their website last night and just now this morning and its live but there home page has changed 

[nickallot]

We are offering BURST assets that are based around the function of our company and our new products. We also base our assets on trading. We have enough power in mining to back them all and we keep adding more. Right now the ROI is around a year, but we're constantly adding more to give more to everyone. Our main asset is called ByteEnt. Backed by fee on our pool (second largest currently in the world for BURST.)

We also offer a more risky investment that is based off our altcoin trading. Then another that pays interest of 2% a month.

They are trusted investments that we will continue to build and make better.

We have a great team and continue to release new projects.

(currently the block explorer is down for some maintenance and switching to a new server as the coder for this is currently out of town.)


I know this isn't a BTC investment, (well, aside from the most risky asset which we only accept BTC for as to not dump BURST.) But I just wanted to show that there are a few people still trying to offer legit investments for people in the crypto market.

http://byte.enterprises

edit: we also plan to offer a true cloudmining operation that is based in BURST. The reason this can work is due to BURST being mined on hard drives. The model is completely different than someone mining BTC. The power consumption is MUCH lower. Only issue currently is BURST price causing ROI to be longer than a year, so I can't price anything exactly right to work for everyone quite yet. But that is down the line we still plan to offer this as well. If we can make it feasible.

If we do offer any cloud setups, proof will be provided in forms of accounts you can watch mining on our pool, and pictures of the farm given to those who ask in PM. Could also arrange for video.

But this is still a ways off yet.

man I just checked your website out and its awesome,this is exactly what Im after but for bitcoin im going to study BURST and I might invest

[crowetic]

We are offering BURST assets that are based around the function of our company and our new products. We also base our assets on trading. We have enough power in mining to back them all and we keep adding more. Right now the ROI is around a year, but we're constantly adding more to give more to everyone. Our main asset is called ByteEnt. Backed by fee on our pool (second largest currently in the world for BURST.)

We also offer a more risky investment that is based off our altcoin trading. Then another that pays interest of 2% a month.

They are trusted investments that we will continue to build and make better.

We have a great team and continue to release new projects.

(currently the block explorer is down for some maintenance and switching to a new server as the coder for this is currently out of town.)


I know this isn't a BTC investment, (well, aside from the most risky asset which we only accept BTC for as to not dump BURST.) But I just wanted to show that there are a few people still trying to offer legit investments for people in the crypto market.

http://byte.enterprises

edit: we also plan to offer a true cloudmining operation that is based in BURST. The reason this can work is due to BURST being mined on hard drives. The model is completely different than someone mining BTC. The power consumption is MUCH lower. Only issue currently is BURST price causing ROI to be longer than a year, so I can't price anything exactly right to work for everyone quite yet. But that is down the line we still plan to offer this as well. If we can make it feasible.

If we do offer any cloud setups, proof will be provided in forms of accounts you can watch mining on our pool, and pictures of the farm given to those who ask in PM. Could also arrange for video.

But this is still a ways off yet.

This sounds interesting. What are up to date results of the fund? Is there any table where we can see how did you do in the past?

The assets were all just released, as it took us a few months to get built up and build our projects and sites and have something to show. We have just done our first payout for ByteEnt asset, and it came out to about 5% for the month for everyone. This will soon go up.

The other asset ByteBank, paid its 2% for the month.

The third asset hasn't really been pushed for investors yet, and we will be pushing that more in the future. As of right now we're mostly focused on the first two assets. However, if we had a sizeable investor that wanted to give the project a kick-start, it would be welcomed.

[crowetic]

We are offering BURST assets that are based around the function of our company and our new products. We also base our assets on trading. We have enough power in mining to back them all and we keep adding more. Right now the ROI is around a year, but we're constantly adding more to give more to everyone. Our main asset is called ByteEnt. Backed by fee on our pool (second largest currently in the world for BURST.)

We also offer a more risky investment that is based off our altcoin trading. Then another that pays interest of 2% a month.

They are trusted investments that we will continue to build and make better.

We have a great team and continue to release new projects.

(currently the block explorer is down for some maintenance and switching to a new server as the coder for this is currently out of town.)


I know this isn't a BTC investment, (well, aside from the most risky asset which we only accept BTC for as to not dump BURST.) But I just wanted to show that there are a few people still trying to offer legit investments for people in the crypto market.

http://byte.enterprises

edit: we also plan to offer a true cloudmining operation that is based in BURST. The reason this can work is due to BURST being mined on hard drives. The model is completely different than someone mining BTC. The power consumption is MUCH lower. Only issue currently is BURST price causing ROI to be longer than a year, so I can't price anything exactly right to work for everyone quite yet. But that is down the line we still plan to offer this as well. If we can make it feasible.

If we do offer any cloud setups, proof will be provided in forms of accounts you can watch mining on our pool, and pictures of the farm given to those who ask in PM. Could also arrange for video.

But this is still a ways off yet.

man I just checked your website out and its awesome,this is exactly what Im after but for bitcoin im going to study BURST and I might invest

Thank you! We are doing our best to let people know that there really are honest people in the crypto world. We decided to use BURST because it is a coin that contains all of the features that every coin is looking for, Built in Escrow, Asset Exchange, Built in marketplace, and also the first coin to have WORKING automated Transactions that include the ability for trustless contracts on the blockchain. Because of this, BURST has potential to be one of the longstanding coins. I believe in it wholeheartedly, and with also the invention of HARD DRIVE MINING specifically for this coin (still being the only coin to have this algo) you know it's something special.

We will continue to provide honest and transparent investment services for our clients, and everything will grow and continue to make more and more for everyone.

I hope you get involved in BURST and come check us out. That goes for anyone! Thanks for letting me have my piece here.

[crazyivan]

We are offering BURST assets that are based around the function of our company and our new products. We also base our assets on trading. We have enough power in mining to back them all and we keep adding more. Right now the ROI is around a year, but we're constantly adding more to give more to everyone. Our main asset is called ByteEnt. Backed by fee on our pool (second largest currently in the world for BURST.)

We also offer a more risky investment that is based off our altcoin trading. Then another that pays interest of 2% a month.

They are trusted investments that we will continue to build and make better.

We have a great team and continue to release new projects.

(currently the block explorer is down for some maintenance and switching to a new server as the coder for this is currently out of town.)


I know this isn't a BTC investment, (well, aside from the most risky asset which we only accept BTC for as to not dump BURST.) But I just wanted to show that there are a few people still trying to offer legit investments for people in the crypto market.

http://byte.enterprises

edit: we also plan to offer a true cloudmining operation that is based in BURST. The reason this can work is due to BURST being mined on hard drives. The model is completely different than someone mining BTC. The power consumption is MUCH lower. Only issue currently is BURST price causing ROI to be longer than a year, so I can't price anything exactly right to work for everyone quite yet. But that is down the line we still plan to offer this as well. If we can make it feasible.

If we do offer any cloud setups, proof will be provided in forms of accounts you can watch mining on our pool, and pictures of the farm given to those who ask in PM. Could also arrange for video.

But this is still a ways off yet.

This sounds interesting. What are up to date results of the fund? Is there any table where we can see how did you do in the past?

The assets were all just released, as it took us a few months to get built up and build our projects and sites and have something to show. We have just done our first payout for ByteEnt asset, and it came out to about 5% for the month for everyone. This will soon go up.

The other asset ByteBank, paid its 2% for the month.

The third asset hasn't really been pushed for investors yet, and we will be pushing that more in the future. As of right now we're mostly focused on the first two assets. However, if we had a sizeable investor that wanted to give the project a kick-start, it would be welcomed.

Wait, I see only two assents on the website, the bank and the fund. What s the third one and which are operational ATM?

[crowetic]

We are offering BURST assets that are based around the function of our company and our new products. We also base our assets on trading. We have enough power in mining to back them all and we keep adding more. Right now the ROI is around a year, but we're constantly adding more to give more to everyone. Our main asset is called ByteEnt. Backed by fee on our pool (second largest currently in the world for BURST.)

We also offer a more risky investment that is based off our altcoin trading. Then another that pays interest of 2% a month.

They are trusted investments that we will continue to build and make better.

We have a great team and continue to release new projects.

(currently the block explorer is down for some maintenance and switching to a new server as the coder for this is currently out of town.)


I know this isn't a BTC investment, (well, aside from the most risky asset which we only accept BTC for as to not dump BURST.) But I just wanted to show that there are a few people still trying to offer legit investments for people in the crypto market.

http://byte.enterprises

edit: we also plan to offer a true cloudmining operation that is based in BURST. The reason this can work is due to BURST being mined on hard drives. The model is completely different than someone mining BTC. The power consumption is MUCH lower. Only issue currently is BURST price causing ROI to be longer than a year, so I can't price anything exactly right to work for everyone quite yet. But that is down the line we still plan to offer this as well. If we can make it feasible.

If we do offer any cloud setups, proof will be provided in forms of accounts you can watch mining on our pool, and pictures of the farm given to those who ask in PM. Could also arrange for video.

But this is still a ways off yet.

This sounds interesting. What are up to date results of the fund? Is there any table where we can see how did you do in the past?

The assets were all just released, as it took us a few months to get built up and build our projects and sites and have something to show. We have just done our first payout for ByteEnt asset, and it came out to about 5% for the month for everyone. This will soon go up.

The other asset ByteBank, paid its 2% for the month.

The third asset hasn't really been pushed for investors yet, and we will be pushing that more in the future. As of right now we're mostly focused on the first two assets. However, if we had a sizeable investor that wanted to give the project a kick-start, it would be welcomed.

Wait, I see only two assents on the website, the bank and the fund. What s the third one and which are operational ATM?

Up higher, middle of the page, one that covers company is called ByteEnt (ByteEnterprises)

They're all 3 "operational" there just has been no real push on ByteFund yet. ByteBank and ByteEnt have made their first official payouts as of 2 days ago on the first of the month.

[9000]

When it comes to bitcoin securities the consensus seems to be they're all scams!

[Cult]

Maybe casino bankroll?

[crazyivan]

We are offering BURST assets that are based around the function of our company and our new products. We also base our assets on trading. We have enough power in mining to back them all and we keep adding more. Right now the ROI is around a year, but we're constantly adding more to give more to everyone. Our main asset is called ByteEnt. Backed by fee on our pool (second largest currently in the world for BURST.)

We also offer a more risky investment that is based off our altcoin trading. Then another that pays interest of 2% a month.

They are trusted investments that we will continue to build and make better.

We have a great team and continue to release new projects.

(currently the block explorer is down for some maintenance and switching to a new server as the coder for this is currently out of town.)


I know this isn't a BTC investment, (well, aside from the most risky asset which we only accept BTC for as to not dump BURST.) But I just wanted to show that there are a few people still trying to offer legit investments for people in the crypto market.

http://byte.enterprises

edit: we also plan to offer a true cloudmining operation that is based in BURST. The reason this can work is due to BURST being mined on hard drives. The model is completely different than someone mining BTC. The power consumption is MUCH lower. Only issue currently is BURST price causing ROI to be longer than a year, so I can't price anything exactly right to work for everyone quite yet. But that is down the line we still plan to offer this as well. If we can make it feasible.

If we do offer any cloud setups, proof will be provided in forms of accounts you can watch mining on our pool, and pictures of the farm given to those who ask in PM. Could also arrange for video.

But this is still a ways off yet.

This sounds interesting. What are up to date results of the fund? Is there any table where we can see how did you do in the past?

The assets were all just released, as it took us a few months to get built up and build our projects and sites and have something to show. We have just done our first payout for ByteEnt asset, and it came out to about 5% for the month for everyone. This will soon go up.

The other asset ByteBank, paid its 2% for the month.

The third asset hasn't really been pushed for investors yet, and we will be pushing that more in the future. As of right now we're mostly focused on the first two assets. However, if we had a sizeable investor that wanted to give the project a kick-start, it would be welcomed.

Wait, I see only two assents on the website, the bank and the fund. What s the third one and which are operational ATM?

Up higher, middle of the page, one that covers company is called ByteEnt (ByteEnterprises)

They're all 3 "operational" there just has been no real push on ByteFund yet. ByteBank and ByteEnt have made their first official payouts as of 2 days ago on the first of the month.

Ok, thx. Another question I always ask related to new investments projects. What about transparency, who s behind this? What guarantee do investors have you will not run away next week with out money? Pls do not get me wrong but I am sure you are aware of the number of scams in the BTC economy. 8 out of 10 projects are scams, IMHO.

[crowetic]

We are offering BURST assets that are based around the function of our company and our new products. We also base our assets on trading. We have enough power in mining to back them all and we keep adding more. Right now the ROI is around a year, but we're constantly adding more to give more to everyone. Our main asset is called ByteEnt. Backed by fee on our pool (second largest currently in the world for BURST.)

We also offer a more risky investment that is based off our altcoin trading. Then another that pays interest of 2% a month.

They are trusted investments that we will continue to build and make better.

We have a great team and continue to release new projects.

(currently the block explorer is down for some maintenance and switching to a new server as the coder for this is currently out of town.)


I know this isn't a BTC investment, (well, aside from the most risky asset which we only accept BTC for as to not dump BURST.) But I just wanted to show that there are a few people still trying to offer legit investments for people in the crypto market.

http://byte.enterprises

edit: we also plan to offer a true cloudmining operation that is based in BURST. The reason this can work is due to BURST being mined on hard drives. The model is completely different than someone mining BTC. The power consumption is MUCH lower. Only issue currently is BURST price causing ROI to be longer than a year, so I can't price anything exactly right to work for everyone quite yet. But that is down the line we still plan to offer this as well. If we can make it feasible.

If we do offer any cloud setups, proof will be provided in forms of accounts you can watch mining on our pool, and pictures of the farm given to those who ask in PM. Could also arrange for video.

But this is still a ways off yet.

This sounds interesting. What are up to date results of the fund? Is there any table where we can see how did you do in the past?

The assets were all just released, as it took us a few months to get built up and build our projects and sites and have something to show. We have just done our first payout for ByteEnt asset, and it came out to about 5% for the month for everyone. This will soon go up.

The other asset ByteBank, paid its 2% for the month.

The third asset hasn't really been pushed for investors yet, and we will be pushing that more in the future. As of right now we're mostly focused on the first two assets. However, if we had a sizeable investor that wanted to give the project a kick-start, it would be welcomed.

Wait, I see only two assents on the website, the bank and the fund. What s the third one and which are operational ATM?

Up higher, middle of the page, one that covers company is called ByteEnt (ByteEnterprises)

They're all 3 "operational" there just has been no real push on ByteFund yet. ByteBank and ByteEnt have made their first official payouts as of 2 days ago on the first of the month.

Ok, thx. Another question I always ask related to new investments projects. What about transparency, who s behind this? What guarantee do investors have you will not run away next week with out money? Pls do not get me wrong but I am sure you are aware of the number of scams in the BTC economy. 8 out of 10 projects are scams, IMHO.

It is mostly me, and I'm fully transparent, my team working with me don't necessarily like to be out in the open like me, but I never hide. You can look me up based on pretty much anything. My name is Jason Crowe. in NV USA.

I also post my mining addresses, and anything related to the assets are announced on the BURST ann, and in burstforum.com.

I don't like to have a HUGE team, I have a small dedicated team of people that I work closely with. I am also well respected in the BURST community, and on this forum, even though I am not super long standing here.

I'm also part of the BURST core PR team, so that shows my respect in that community as well.

I try to be as fully transparent as possible, and I will take suggestions from people on what I could to to make things moreso.


We are still building everything up to the potential we know is there.


I will more than happily chat with anyone about any concerns they have, and address them.

I'm not looking for big things fast, I'm looking for long-term and awesome things that will benefit everyone greatly in the future. I can only promise that I will do my best to make things go the way they should to be mutually beneficial.

Hopefully this answers you well enough. Anything else feel free to ask.

as far as not running away... I suppose aside from the fact that I don't hide, all you have to go on is my word, and previous posts to see that I'm building something truly legit here, and that I will do what I say I will do. My team respects me, and I them. We are all in this with upstanding goals in mind, and have no intention to do anything negative. But that I guess is hard to believe in BTC community, which is understandable as well.

I am the one who is managing the actual coin, my team is development and marketing.

we're not trying to grow super fast, we don't advertise at all right now as we're still just getting started. Soon we will but modestly. We would prefer most of the investors to come right from the BURST community.

[crazyivan]

Ok, thx, will definitely dip a toe into this. For more serious investments, we ll have to talk privately.

I would also suggest you make all that info about you, the actual mining address and everything else related to transparency easily accessible via the website. Most of people avoid these kind of investments due to so many scams around and are generally not ready to dig forums up searching for this info.

Thx

[crowetic]

Ok, thx, will definitely dip a toe into this. For more serious investments, we ll have to talk privately.

I would also suggest you make all that info about you, the actual mining address and everything else related to transparency easily accessible via the website. Most of people avoid these kind of investments due to so many scams around and are generally not ready to dig forums up searching for this info.

Thx

Sure, I can definitely make that happen. I'll make the changes this week. Thank you for the suggestions. Feel free to contact me with any other questions.

[crazyivan]

Ok, thx, will definitely dip a toe into this. For more serious investments, we ll have to talk privately.

I would also suggest you make all that info about you, the actual mining address and everything else related to transparency easily accessible via the website. Most of people avoid these kind of investments due to so many scams around and are generally not ready to dig forums up searching for this info.

Thx

Sure, I can definitely make that happen. I'll make the changes this week. Thank you for the suggestions. Feel free to contact me with any other questions.

Great to hear that. I will be testing it this week, if you do need some kind of honest review or anything similar, pls do let me know. Always glad to help out.

[ensurance982]

I wonder, if you look at all Bitcoin securities, if they really are that more likely to fail than others. I mean it is far easier to fund your company using Bitcoin and even in the regular financial world most start-ups simply fail.

[sporket]

I wonder, if you look at all Bitcoin securities, if they really are that more likely to fail than others. ...

Bitcoin startups were, and remain, extremely successful.
Not always for the investors, but certainly for the issuers.

[bitwho]

might i suggest Alcurex exchange. it offer share with %50 of profit dividend on weekly basis. It had an Ipo a year ago and has finally launched and its a new upcoming exchange seeking out to take a spot on exchanges space.

Click picture to go directly to Alcurex Share market


Registered in Finland.
https://alcurex.org/index.php/crypto/alcurexinfo
halibit
Tero Halinen CEO
ALCUREX OY


Recently launched gold market.
https://alcurex.org/index.php/crypto/market?pair=genius_btc  
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=966917.20

Offering user to buy Bittiraha IPO shares with Bitcoins
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=999928.msg11005479#msg11005479
https://alcurex.org/index.php/crypto/market?pair=btrha_btc

Soon will open USD markets. (at this time you can wire fiat via bank transfer)

Soon will open Local markets - Where users can trade goods for fiat or btcs

Soon to open registering alcurex shares for legal company Alcurex_oy shares

IPO thread for those who care to review the process and who wish to ask question about it.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=458732.1360


Alcurex exchange has been on spot on paying shares dividends. %50 of fee profit for Bitcoin, Litecoin and Microcoin


Who

[crazyivan]

I wonder, if you look at all Bitcoin securities, if they really are that more likely to fail than others. I mean it is far easier to fund your company using Bitcoin and even in the regular financial world most start-ups simply fail.

Every business can run into difficulties and fail. However, there is a big difference between a business running into difficulties, trying to overcome those and if unsuccessful, fail AND a business which was established with an intention to scam its clients.

[crazyivan]

might i suggest Alcurex exchange. it offer share with %50 of profit dividend on weekly basis. It had an Ipo a year ago and has finally launched and its a new upcoming exchange seeking out to take a spot on exchanges space.

Registered in Finland.
https://alcurex.org/index.php/crypto/alcurexinfo

Recently launched gold market.
https://alcurex.org/index.php/crypto/market?pair=genius_btc 
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=966917.20

Offering user to buy Bittiraha IPO shares with Bitcoins
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=999928.msg11005479#msg11005479
https://alcurex.org/index.php/crypto/market?pair=btrha_btc

Soon will open USD markets. (at this time you can wire fiat via bank transfer)

Soon will open Local markets - Where users can trade goods for fiat or btcs

Soon to open registering alcurex shares for legal company Alcurex_oy shares

IPO thread for those who care to review the process and who wish to ask question about it.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=458732.1360


Alcurex exchange has been on spot on paying shares dividends. %50 of fee profit for Bitcoin, Litecoin and Microcoin


Who

This also looks nice. Are you connected in any way to this exchange? I would like to contact the dev team.

[bitwho]

might i suggest Alcurex exchange. it offer share with %50 of profit dividend on weekly basis. It had an Ipo a year ago and has finally launched and its a new upcoming exchange seeking out to take a spot on exchanges space.

Registered in Finland.
https://alcurex.org/index.php/crypto/alcurexinfo

Recently launched gold market.
https://alcurex.org/index.php/crypto/market?pair=genius_btc  
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=966917.20

Offering user to buy Bittiraha IPO shares with Bitcoins
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=999928.msg11005479#msg11005479
https://alcurex.org/index.php/crypto/market?pair=btrha_btc

Soon will open USD markets. (at this time you can wire fiat via bank transfer)

Soon will open Local markets - Where users can trade goods for fiat or btcs

Soon to open registering alcurex shares for legal company Alcurex_oy shares

IPO thread for those who care to review the process and who wish to ask question about it.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=458732.1360


Alcurex exchange has been on spot on paying shares dividends. %50 of fee profit for Bitcoin, Litecoin and Microcoin


Who

This also looks nice. Are you connected in any way to this exchange? I would like to contact the dev team.

sorry. updated to add info of company. yes the dev is halibit https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=106120

I also recently joined them to help spread the word around. I like this exchange and i have invested in some shares.

Halibit is very active in the troll box chat. You can ask questions there, email him or also PM him here.

We should open an thread here for alcurex.

[ensurance982]

I wonder, if you look at all Bitcoin securities, if they really are that more likely to fail than others. I mean it is far easier to fund your company using Bitcoin and even in the regular financial world most start-ups simply fail.

Every business can run into difficulties and fail. However, there is a big difference between a business running into difficulties, trying to overcome those and if unsuccessful, fail AND a business which was established with an intention to scam its clients.

Sure, but there are a lot of businesses in the 'regular' realm of companies that have comparably adventurous business plans. But the amount of scamming companies does seem higher, when it comes to Bitcoin, true...

[crowetic]

I'm having my web developer add an about us page with all of my information there.


Also, in case anyone is interested, we just did another release to keep the prices from going out of the ROI range, another release has just been done at 25 BURST, so you can buy directly from us right now if you jump on it!

[crazyivan]

I'm having my web developer add an about us page with all of my information there.


Also, in case anyone is interested, we just did another release to keep the prices from going out of the ROI range, another release has just been done at 25 BURST, so you can buy directly from us right now if you jump on it!

A responsive and active dev team with positive trust ration. So rare in the crypto world. I wish you best of luck and I will be joining this week.

[ensurance982]

I'm having my web developer add an about us page with all of my information there.


Also, in case anyone is interested, we just did another release to keep the prices from going out of the ROI range, another release has just been done at 25 BURST, so you can buy directly from us right now if you jump on it!

A responsive and active dev team with positive trust ration. So rare in the crypto world. I wish you best of luck and I will be joining this week.

Investors Relations is what's missing every well-run company in the Bitcoin space, I believe. It's funny: If the company is legit and may make you a profit, the communication is bogus. If the communication is active and reassuring in its nature, the company is most likely a scam or very badly run.

[crowetic]

I'm having my web developer add an about us page with all of my information there.


Also, in case anyone is interested, we just did another release to keep the prices from going out of the ROI range, another release has just been done at 25 BURST, so you can buy directly from us right now if you jump on it!

A responsive and active dev team with positive trust ration. So rare in the crypto world. I wish you best of luck and I will be joining this week.

Investors Relations is what's missing every well-run company in the Bitcoin space, I believe. It's funny: If the company is legit and may make you a profit, the communication is bogus. If the communication is active and reassuring in its nature, the company is most likely a scam or very badly run.

Not sure I appreciate what you're inferring. I do believe there are truly honest people in the world, albeit not many. I take pride in my honesty and that will never change. Just because I happen to be giving communication to people, you say I'm most likely a scammer? That's some odd logic.

[crazyivan]

Ok, lots of nice options posted here. What else is there worth of checking out?

[litedoge]

might i suggest Alcurex exchange. it offer share with %50 of profit dividend on weekly basis. It had an Ipo a year ago and has finally launched and its a new upcoming exchange seeking out to take a spot on exchanges space.

Click picture to go directly to Alcurex Share market


Registered in Finland.
https://alcurex.org/index.php/crypto/alcurexinfo
halibit
Tero Halinen CEO
ALCUREX OY


Recently launched gold market.
https://alcurex.org/index.php/crypto/market?pair=genius_btc  
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=966917.20

Offering user to buy Bittiraha IPO shares with Bitcoins
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=999928.msg11005479#msg11005479
https://alcurex.org/index.php/crypto/market?pair=btrha_btc

Soon will open USD markets. (at this time you can wire fiat via bank transfer)

Soon will open Local markets - Where users can trade goods for fiat or btcs

Soon to open registering alcurex shares for legal company Alcurex_oy shares

IPO thread for those who care to review the process and who wish to ask question about it.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=458732.1360


Alcurex exchange has been on spot on paying shares dividends. %50 of fee profit for Bitcoin, Litecoin and Microcoin

I have used this exchange - trustworthy owner and good service.

[crazyivan]

might i suggest Alcurex exchange. it offer share with %50 of profit dividend on weekly basis. It had an Ipo a year ago and has finally launched and its a new upcoming exchange seeking out to take a spot on exchanges space.

Click picture to go directly to Alcurex Share market


Registered in Finland.
https://alcurex.org/index.php/crypto/alcurexinfo
halibit
Tero Halinen CEO
ALCUREX OY


Recently launched gold market.
https://alcurex.org/index.php/crypto/market?pair=genius_btc  
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=966917.20

Offering user to buy Bittiraha IPO shares with Bitcoins
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=999928.msg11005479#msg11005479
https://alcurex.org/index.php/crypto/market?pair=btrha_btc

Soon will open USD markets. (at this time you can wire fiat via bank transfer)

Soon will open Local markets - Where users can trade goods for fiat or btcs

Soon to open registering alcurex shares for legal company Alcurex_oy shares

IPO thread for those who care to review the process and who wish to ask question about it.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=458732.1360


Alcurex exchange has been on spot on paying shares dividends. %50 of fee profit for Bitcoin, Litecoin and Microcoin

I have used this exchange - trustworthy owner and good service.

Has anyone invested, what is expected ROI? I ve tried to contact the owner but no response so far.

[bitwho]

might i suggest Alcurex exchange. it offer share with %50 of profit dividend on weekly basis. It had an Ipo a year ago and has finally launched and its a new upcoming exchange seeking out to take a spot on exchanges space.

Click picture to go directly to Alcurex Share market


Registered in Finland.
https://alcurex.org/index.php/crypto/alcurexinfo
halibit
Tero Halinen CEO
ALCUREX OY


Recently launched gold market.
https://alcurex.org/index.php/crypto/market?pair=genius_btc  
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=966917.20

Offering user to buy Bittiraha IPO shares with Bitcoins
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=999928.msg11005479#msg11005479
https://alcurex.org/index.php/crypto/market?pair=btrha_btc

Soon will open USD markets. (at this time you can wire fiat via bank transfer)

Soon will open Local markets - Where users can trade goods for fiat or btcs

Soon to open registering alcurex shares for legal company Alcurex_oy shares

IPO thread for those who care to review the process and who wish to ask question about it.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=458732.1360


Alcurex exchange has been on spot on paying shares dividends. %50 of fee profit for Bitcoin, Litecoin and Microcoin

I have used this exchange - trustworthy owner and good service.

Has anyone invested, what is expected ROI? I ve tried to contact the owner but no response so far.

hmm depends on volumes really. as of now alcurex is slowly rising. i mean the tech is there, but when you are a new exchange not a lot of people(coin community) jump on it. On the outside they say 'is it secure?" but on the inside they just want to join an exchange that has high volume and hope that volume will move over to their coin. Understandable really.

why did i say this? well to tell you that it depends as of now. its kind of random. some times Alcurex has a good week some times is does not.

The profit of shares is  = (Profit fees -server cost )x (Your shares/total shares)

my shares are worth around 1.3 btcs right now. and last dividend i got :
share profit paid
2015-04-05    0.00007281    BTC
2015-04-01    0.00025125    BTC

i think that was a volume of 30 btcs at the end of the week.

So its hard to say really. because of the huge %50 profit shared. if for example alcurex jumps into the same category as an exchange with 100-400 daily btc volume then the pay put would make roi fast. not to mention the worth of the shares. just  week ago they were worth x3 times..



also alcurex is very active in the troll chat in alcurex or telegram. you can pm me questions and i can forward them too

[ensurance982]

I'm having my web developer add an about us page with all of my information there.


Also, in case anyone is interested, we just did another release to keep the prices from going out of the ROI range, another release has just been done at 25 BURST, so you can buy directly from us right now if you jump on it!

A responsive and active dev team with positive trust ration. So rare in the crypto world. I wish you best of luck and I will be joining this week.

Investors Relations is what's missing every well-run company in the Bitcoin space, I believe. It's funny: If the company is legit and may make you a profit, the communication is bogus. If the communication is active and reassuring in its nature, the company is most likely a scam or very badly run.

Not sure I appreciate what you're inferring. I do believe there are truly honest people in the world, albeit not many. I take pride in my honesty and that will never change. Just because I happen to be giving communication to people, you say I'm most likely a scammer? That's some odd logic.

No, it merely sums up the experience I have gathered from watching different companies in the BTC world act and communicate with their investors or customers. AM mostly kept a low profile and was kind of quiet, but they delivered and were honest. A lot of scams, on the other hand, always reassured the investors that everything was alright.
Now it's pretty easy: Every stock seems to be unprofitable, anyways. Just don't go and invest in BTC-denominated stocks.

[btcfinans]

Nothing exciting yet.

[RodeoX]

So you are telling me this entire industry consist of mining, exchanges and hoarding???

No. There are all sorts of businesses and even some opportunities to "invest". But you will find that doing your homework is everything. Don't look at some amateur online investing portal, go and meet people. Find out who has a good idea then scheduled a meeting and have them demonstrate their business model and check out their books. Ask yourself if they are capable of following their plan and look at what factors will challenge their plans. Investing is a lot of work if your doing it right.

[crazyivan]

So you are telling me this entire industry consist of mining, exchanges and hoarding???

No. There are all sorts of businesses and even some opportunities to "invest". But you will find that doing your homework is everything. Don't look at some amateur online investing portal, go and meet people. Find out who has a good idea then scheduled a meeting and have them demonstrate their business model and check out their books. Ask yourself if they are capable of following their plan and look at what factors will challenge their plans. Investing is a lot of work if your doing it right.

We ve had a few interesting proposals in this thread. I hope we get a few more. I would be happier if BTC economy would have some sort of consumer protection mechanism, we would have much less scammers around and much easier task in selecting good projects.

[OgNasty]

I would be happier if BTC economy would have some sort of consumer protection mechanism, we would have much less scammers around and much easier task in selecting good projects.

Like what?

[crazyivan]

I would be happier if BTC economy would have some sort of consumer protection mechanism, we would have much less scammers around and much easier task in selecting good projects.

Like what?

Well, a step forward would be to have some kind of appropriate legislative framework. I know most of people would not agree with this but I really think BTC investors/users/community need to have someone to turn to if things go south with their investments. For example, if you invest in a cloud mining contract and the company shuts down the website and runs, who are you going to turn to? Most of usual consumer protection agencies are going to say Bitcoin what?

But let us please stay on topic. Would you maybe share a bit more info about your offer?

[ensurance982]

I would be happier if BTC economy would have some sort of consumer protection mechanism, we would have much less scammers around and much easier task in selecting good projects.

Like what?

Well, a step forward would be to have some kind of appropriate legislative framework. I know most of people would not agree with this but I really think BTC investors/users/community need to have someone to turn to if things go south with their investments. For example, if you invest in a cloud mining contract and the company shuts down the website and runs, who are you going to turn to? Most of usual consumer protection agencies are going to say Bitcoin what?

But let us please stay on topic. Would you maybe share a bit more info about your offer?

BTC-based investments/fundings would have to be directly incorporated in existing regulative structures, actually. FIAT companies simply don't just run away, because there actually are repercussions and laws.

[crazyivan]

I would be happier if BTC economy would have some sort of consumer protection mechanism, we would have much less scammers around and much easier task in selecting good projects.

Like what?

Well, a step forward would be to have some kind of appropriate legislative framework. I know most of people would not agree with this but I really think BTC investors/users/community need to have someone to turn to if things go south with their investments. For example, if you invest in a cloud mining contract and the company shuts down the website and runs, who are you going to turn to? Most of usual consumer protection agencies are going to say Bitcoin what?

But let us please stay on topic. Would you maybe share a bit more info about your offer?

BTC-based investments/fundings would have to be directly incorporated in existing regulative structures, actually. FIAT companies simply don't just run away, because there actually are repercussions and laws.

Agree but let us please stay on topic. Are there any other interesting and SUSTAINABLE BTC project you currently use?

[ensurance982]

I would be happier if BTC economy would have some sort of consumer protection mechanism, we would have much less scammers around and much easier task in selecting good projects.

Like what?

Well, a step forward would be to have some kind of appropriate legislative framework. I know most of people would not agree with this but I really think BTC investors/users/community need to have someone to turn to if things go south with their investments. For example, if you invest in a cloud mining contract and the company shuts down the website and runs, who are you going to turn to? Most of usual consumer protection agencies are going to say Bitcoin what?

But let us please stay on topic. Would you maybe share a bit more info about your offer?

BTC-based investments/fundings would have to be directly incorporated in existing regulative structures, actually. FIAT companies simply don't just run away, because there actually are repercussions and laws.

Agree but let us please stay on topic. Are there any other interesting and SUSTAINABLE BTC project you currently use?

No, not anymore. Sustainable things are quite difficult to be done with BTC, due to the big fluctuations. Even funding for "real-world" projects is difficult due to that :/

[Lincoln6Echo]

By "big fluctuations" you mean the founder running away with peoples money, right? Sad but true. Best example that there is no exception: Friedcat

Keep your Btc!

[crazyivan]

By "big fluctuations" you mean the founder running away with peoples money, right? Sad but true. Best example that there is no exception: Friedcat

Keep your Btc!

Haha. Yes, there are lot of unfortunate examples but there are also several good and profitable services. Bitcoin investing s not dead. Keep the good stuff flowing in. What else is there?

[crowetic]

I'm having my web developer add an about us page with all of my information there.


Also, in case anyone is interested, we just did another release to keep the prices from going out of the ROI range, another release has just been done at 25 BURST, so you can buy directly from us right now if you jump on it!

As promised http://byte.enterprises/

At the botom of the page, the company and my name, and a contact form, anyone is welcome to submit there or email me at Jason@crowetic.com and I will be glad to provide other information. (with relevance.)

[crazyivan]

I'm having my web developer add an about us page with all of my information there.


Also, in case anyone is interested, we just did another release to keep the prices from going out of the ROI range, another release has just been done at 25 BURST, so you can buy directly from us right now if you jump on it!

As promised http://byte.enterprises/

At the botom of the page, the company and my name, and a contact form, anyone is welcome to submit there or email me at Jason@crowetic.com and I will be glad to provide other information. (with relevance.)

Tried to use the form, getting error.

[KrLos]

We are working on a long term investment, A commercial timberland in Colombia

Check the info and ask me any questions if you are interested.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1022414.0

[llanillo]

Hey guys,

I post these questions a lot recently on different forums but I ve not been able to receive a satisfactory answer. Has BTC economy really turned into a sea of ponzies and scam?
Is there ANYTHING worth of investing these days? Anything which might provide sustainable dividend, regardless of how low it might be?

Pls do not post cryptodublers, pyramid schemes, 5% per day ROI websites and similar junk. Only verifiable and transparent options pls.

Not everything in the world of bitcoins is a scam or scheme pozi, what happens is that the bitcoin has been used to scams, thats why iit has a bad reputation, my recommendation for investment is hold, holding you can earn good money, and helping bitcoin structure

[crazyivan]

Hey guys,

I post these questions a lot recently on different forums but I ve not been able to receive a satisfactory answer. Has BTC economy really turned into a sea of ponzies and scam?
Is there ANYTHING worth of investing these days? Anything which might provide sustainable dividend, regardless of how low it might be?

Pls do not post cryptodublers, pyramid schemes, 5% per day ROI websites and similar junk. Only verifiable and transparent options pls.

Not everything in the world of bitcoins is a scam or scheme pozi, what happens is that the bitcoin has been used to scams, thats why iit has a bad reputation, my recommendation for investment is hold, holding you can earn good money, and helping bitcoin structure

BTC economy s not gonna develop if we old hold coins. Somebody s gotta invest into crypto businesses. I do not accept this hold argument.

[crowetic]

I'm having my web developer add an about us page with all of my information there.


Also, in case anyone is interested, we just did another release to keep the prices from going out of the ROI range, another release has just been done at 25 BURST, so you can buy directly from us right now if you jump on it!

As promised http://byte.enterprises/

At the botom of the page, the company and my name, and a contact form, anyone is welcome to submit there or email me at Jason@crowetic.com and I will be glad to provide other information. (with relevance.)

Tried to use the form, getting error.

I haven't tested it yet, let me get my web guy to take a look.

[crazyivan]

More people, give me more. What about PoS coins. Any success with that?

[thy]

We are working on a long term investment, A commercial timberland in Colombia

Check the info and ask me any questions if you are interested.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1022414.0

Will you be working sustainable by replanting trees after cutting down timber ?
Whats the normal prices prices per ha/acre for timberland in Colombia, whats the salerylevel, fuelcosts and such things in Colombia, how does that comepare to other big timber countrys ?
Do you have any prognoses of profitabillity for the next five, ten, twenty, fifty years and so ?

[Amph]

More people, give me more. What about PoS coins. Any success with that?

nothing at the moment, or nothing that is worth mentioning, but a good investement seems dashcoin based on the chart

[crazyivan]

More people, give me more. What about PoS coins. Any success with that?

nothing at the moment, or nothing that is worth mentioning, but a good investement seems dashcoin based on the chart

I did think about some join venture to invest into dash Masternodes. This coin does not stop to surprise me.

[waterpile]

More people, give me more. What about PoS coins. Any success with that?

nothing at the moment, or nothing that is worth mentioning, but a good investement seems dashcoin based on the chart

I did think about some join venture to invest into dash Masternodes. This coin does not stop to surprise me.

well don't let your expectations be too high. I invested some money in dash and its been doing good for me atm

[The Sceptical Chymist]

How about a grammar textbook? 

[OgNasty]

Agree but let us please stay on topic. Are there any other interesting and SUSTAINABLE BTC project you currently use?

NastyMining will be hitting our 3rd anniversary in a few weeks.  NastyFans is interesting and has become a very diversified project.  I don't believe it will be going away anytime soon.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.0

[crazyivan]

Agree but let us please stay on topic. Are there any other interesting and SUSTAINABLE BTC project you currently use?

NastyMining will be hitting our 3rd anniversary in a few weeks.  NastyFans is interesting and has become a very diversified project.  I don't believe it will be going away anytime soon.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.0

I do see a bit decreasing trend when looking at your reports. How do you expect this to develop in the future.
Regarding transparency I give you A+. Very few projects are so open and informative.

[flyingplows]

More people, give me more. What about PoS coins. Any success with that?

Want some PoS coins? Take a look at Paycon It looks promising, way better than Paycoin

[crazyivan]

More people, give me more. What about PoS coins. Any success with that?

Want some PoS coins? Take a look at Paycon It looks promising, way better than Paycoin

No thx, just the name makes want to skip it. I wont invest into Pay-anything anymore.

[KrLos]

We are working on a long term investment, A commercial timberland in Colombia

Check the info and ask me any questions if you are interested.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1022414.0

Will you be working sustainable by replanting trees after cutting down timber ?
Whats the normal prices prices per ha/acre for timberland in Colombia, whats the salerylevel, fuel costs and such things in Colombia, how does that comepare to other big timber countrys?
Do you have any prognoses of profitabillity for the next five, ten, twenty, fifty years and so ?

Will you be working sustainable by replanting trees after cutting down timber?

This a member driven project, so if at the end of the 10 years the members vote to replant, we will do it, also in any case we will leave 5% of all the lands with uncuted trees.
(This project will gain about 300% of the investement so, even if the members wants to replant, there's going to be some dividends to give to the investors-members)

Whats the normal prices prices per ha/acre for timberland in Colombia

Precio Actual Madera (Usd/m3) - 239.13
But you can check more detailed information here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i1-DkWfXx0P-lEbMFzyjDo0ItscZv36Rd3ZH6OfUXl8/edit#gid=922610014

fuel costs and such things in Colombia, how does that comepare to other big timber countrys?

This costs aren't a problem, once again check the spreadsheet.
We don't have big funds, so we could yield more profit if we started with 100 hectares instead 10 hectares, also Colombia produces very good wood thanks to the good soil.

Do you have any prognoses of profitabillity for the next five, ten, twenty, fifty years and so ?

We have measured the profitability on a 10 year range.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i1-DkWfXx0P-lEbMFzyjDo0ItscZv36Rd3ZH6OfUXl8/edit#gid=1510925716

[Branny]

$239 USD per square meter of land?

[KrLos]

$239 USD per square meter of land?

Is for a cubic metre of wood

[OgNasty]

Agree but let us please stay on topic. Are there any other interesting and SUSTAINABLE BTC project you currently use?

NastyMining will be hitting our 3rd anniversary in a few weeks.  NastyFans is interesting and has become a very diversified project.  I don't believe it will be going away anytime soon.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.0

I do see a bit decreasing trend when looking at your reports. How do you expect this to develop in the future.
Regarding transparency I give you A+. Very few projects are so open and informative.

I can't control the market price, but our product and service offerings continue to develop and grow.

[crowetic]

Agree but let us please stay on topic. Are there any other interesting and SUSTAINABLE BTC project you currently use?

NastyMining will be hitting our 3rd anniversary in a few weeks.  NastyFans is interesting and has become a very diversified project.  I don't believe it will be going away anytime soon.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.0

I do see a bit decreasing trend when looking at your reports. How do you expect this to develop in the future.
Regarding transparency I give you A+. Very few projects are so open and informative.

I can't control the market price, but our product and service offerings continue to develop and grow.

OgNasty is a great person and I fully support his projects.

Too bad I no longer have any BTC miners on his pool (well, nothing to speak of) but I will continue to be involved with any option he's got available. He's one of the few trustworthy people in crypto.

[flyingplows]

Agree but let us please stay on topic. Are there any other interesting and SUSTAINABLE BTC project you currently use?

NastyMining will be hitting our 3rd anniversary in a few weeks.  NastyFans is interesting and has become a very diversified project.  I don't believe it will be going away anytime soon.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.0

I do see a bit decreasing trend when looking at your reports. How do you expect this to develop in the future.
Regarding transparency I give you A+. Very few projects are so open and informative.

I can't control the market price, but our product and service offerings continue to develop and grow.

I checked the website nastyfans.org, but it's a bit unclear to me - is it some kind of cloudmining service or what? You can buy some seats (=shares?) then get dividends based on them or just how it works?

[OgNasty]

Agree but let us please stay on topic. Are there any other interesting and SUSTAINABLE BTC project you currently use?

NastyMining will be hitting our 3rd anniversary in a few weeks.  NastyFans is interesting and has become a very diversified project.  I don't believe it will be going away anytime soon.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.0

I do see a bit decreasing trend when looking at your reports. How do you expect this to develop in the future.
Regarding transparency I give you A+. Very few projects are so open and informative.

I can't control the market price, but our product and service offerings continue to develop and grow.

I checked the website nastyfans.org, but it's a bit unclear to me - is it some kind of cloudmining service or what? You can buy some seats (=shares?) then get dividends based on them or just how it works?

Check out the thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.0

It should be more clear there.  NastyFans definitely isn't cloudmining.  Seats never expire, don't have costs, and don't depend on mining alone for BTC.

[Fabrizio89]

There's trading
Forex, commodities and bitcoin of course. Leave this satoshi stocks out of your portfolio and you'll be fine.

[crazyivan]

I m more and more interested in staking. I will be testing a few coins myself and report back my results.

Can anyone share their experience with supernet asset? Any ROI data there?

[crazyivan]

Cmmon people, more good ideas, let us fire up these BTC investments, what else s out there?

[flyingplows]

Cmmon people, more good ideas, let us fire up these BTC investments, what else s out there?

Was interested in staking (but not cloudstaking of course) too lately, but I looked through the coins, wanted to stake HYP at first, but then read through all the stuff and was like ''damn... I'm too late and it's kinda complicated to jump in now with this''.
I stake PayCon at the moment and I'm very excited about it. It's still cheap, so you can grab a considerable amount at c-cex or directly from people that are involved in it (see PayCon thread). It's a relatively new PoS coin with a lot of features aleady, don't be misled by its name or origins... Stake on

[crazyivan]

Cmmon people, more good ideas, let us fire up these BTC investments, what else s out there?

Was interested in staking (but not cloudstaking of course) too lately, but I looked through the coins, wanted to stake HYP at first, but then read through all the stuff and was like ''damn... I'm too late and it's kinda complicated to jump in now with this''.
I stake PayCon at the moment and I'm very excited about it. It's still cheap, so you can grab a considerable amount at c-cex or directly from people that are involved in it (see PayCon thread). It's a relatively new PoS coin with a lot of features aleady, don't be misled by its name or origins... Stake on

PayCon? Very bad name. First it resembles Paycoin and the word "Con" does not help it a lot.

What s the PoS rate and is there sufficient volume to play with it?

[flyingplows]

Cmmon people, more good ideas, let us fire up these BTC investments, what else s out there?

Was interested in staking (but not cloudstaking of course) too lately, but I looked through the coins, wanted to stake HYP at first, but then read through all the stuff and was like ''damn... I'm too late and it's kinda complicated to jump in now with this''.
I stake PayCon at the moment and I'm very excited about it. It's still cheap, so you can grab a considerable amount at c-cex or directly from people that are involved in it (see PayCon thread). It's a relatively new PoS coin with a lot of features aleady, don't be misled by its name or origins... Stake on

PayCon? Very bad name. First it resembles Paycoin and the word "Con" does not help it a lot.

What s the PoS rate and is there sufficient volume to play with it?

The name is on purpose
Btw it's exactly the name that caught my attention for this coin in the first place. Anyway I've read they are willing to change it if need be.
I think if you grab like 30k-60k you're good to go. The thing is trading volume on exchanges is still low, so you can buy directly from someone, not me though, I am looking myself to stash a few more.

POS Block Rewards
2 day Minimum Stake age
14 day Maximum Stake age
POS Starts at block 7200 at 50% reward per year
POS changed to 30 Coins per Block at Block 50,000 (Feb 3rd, 2015)

You can find more info in their thread if you are interested
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=937480.0

[crazyivan]

Cmmon people, more good ideas, let us fire up these BTC investments, what else s out there?

Was interested in staking (but not cloudstaking of course) too lately, but I looked through the coins, wanted to stake HYP at first, but then read through all the stuff and was like ''damn... I'm too late and it's kinda complicated to jump in now with this''.
I stake PayCon at the moment and I'm very excited about it. It's still cheap, so you can grab a considerable amount at c-cex or directly from people that are involved in it (see PayCon thread). It's a relatively new PoS coin with a lot of features aleady, don't be misled by its name or origins... Stake on

PayCon? Very bad name. First it resembles Paycoin and the word "Con" does not help it a lot.

What s the PoS rate and is there sufficient volume to play with it?

The name is on purpose
Btw it's exactly the name that caught my attention for this coin in the first place. Anyway I've read they are willing to change it if need be.
I think if you grab like 30k-60k you're good to go. The thing is trading volume on exchanges is still low, so you can buy directly from someone, not me though, I am looking myself to stash a few more.

POS Block Rewards
2 day Minimum Stake age
14 day Maximum Stake age
POS Starts at block 7200 at 50% reward per year
POS changed to 30 Coins per Block at Block 50,000 (Feb 3rd, 2015)

You can find more info in their thread if you are interested
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=937480.0

This is fine but market capitalization is next to nothing, 23 BTC in total. I think I ll stick to DMD Diamond, it offers the same stake rate and 20x more market cap. It s important to have large market cap to be able to sell staked coins.

[flyingplows]

This is fine but market capitalization is next to nothing, 23 BTC in total. I think I ll stick to DMD Diamond, it offers the same stake rate and 20x more market cap. It s important to have large market cap to be able to sell staked coins.

Fair point... But I am among those that believes the price will increase as development goes rapidly and devs seem to know that they are doing.
I somehow missed that DMD Diamond thing at all. Is it popular and would I not be late to stake some? I mean I really like what I do with PayCON and would eagerly expand my portfolio in PoS if I see a good coin.

[crazyivan]

This is fine but market capitalization is next to nothing, 23 BTC in total. I think I ll stick to DMD Diamond, it offers the same stake rate and 20x more market cap. It s important to have large market cap to be able to sell staked coins.

Fair point... But I am among those that believes the price will increase as development goes rapidly and devs seem to know that they are doing.
I somehow missed that DMD Diamond thing at all. Is it popular and would I not be late to stake some? I mean I really like what I do with PayCON and would eagerly expand my portfolio in PoS if I see a good coin.

I think you still can snatch a few k DMD, even though supply has been drastically reduced due to recent PoW reward reduction from 1 DMD to 0.2 DMD per block.
People like to hoard this coin, hamster mentality. Still, market cap is $120k, lots of place to grow.

[drawingthesun]

Hey guys,

I post these questions a lot recently on different forums but I ve not been able to receive a satisfactory answer. Has BTC economy really turned into a sea of ponzies and scam?
Is there ANYTHING worth of investing these days? Anything which might provide sustainable dividend, regardless of how low it might be?

Pls do not post cryptodublers, pyramid schemes, 5% per day ROI websites and similar junk. Only verifiable and transparent options pls.

Nope, nothing.

The only worthwhile investment is to leave the "securities" sub forum and never come back.

[crazyivan]

Hey guys,

I post these questions a lot recently on different forums but I ve not been able to receive a satisfactory answer. Has BTC economy really turned into a sea of ponzies and scam?
Is there ANYTHING worth of investing these days? Anything which might provide sustainable dividend, regardless of how low it might be?

Pls do not post cryptodublers, pyramid schemes, 5% per day ROI websites and similar junk. Only verifiable and transparent options pls.

Nope, nothing.

The only worthwhile investment is to leave the "securities" sub forum and never come back.

Not true. Managed to dig out a few interesting options. Still searching.

[flyingplows]

Hey guys,

I post these questions a lot recently on different forums but I ve not been able to receive a satisfactory answer. Has BTC economy really turned into a sea of ponzies and scam?
Is there ANYTHING worth of investing these days? Anything which might provide sustainable dividend, regardless of how low it might be?

Pls do not post cryptodublers, pyramid schemes, 5% per day ROI websites and similar junk. Only verifiable and transparent options pls.

Nope, nothing.

The only worthwhile investment is to leave the "securities" sub forum and never come back.

Not true. Managed to dig out a few interesting options. Still searching.

Don't be shy, keep us informed. I have lost hope in this after AMHash scam
Not even sure I would be willing to invest anything on havelock platform either... Any other options worth to take a look?

[crazyivan]

Hey guys,

I post these questions a lot recently on different forums but I ve not been able to receive a satisfactory answer. Has BTC economy really turned into a sea of ponzies and scam?
Is there ANYTHING worth of investing these days? Anything which might provide sustainable dividend, regardless of how low it might be?

Pls do not post cryptodublers, pyramid schemes, 5% per day ROI websites and similar junk. Only verifiable and transparent options pls.

Nope, nothing.

The only worthwhile investment is to leave the "securities" sub forum and never come back.

Not true. Managed to dig out a few interesting options. Still searching.

Don't be shy, keep us informed. I have lost hope in this after AMHash scam
Not even sure I would be willing to invest anything on havelock platform either... Any other options worth to take a look?

Let me just have a few more days to test the stuff I ve added to my investment list and then I would gladly share everything. I do not feel comfortable enough sharing stuff until I double check potential profitability.

[EternalWingsofGod]

Hey guys,

I post these questions a lot recently on different forums but I ve not been able to receive a satisfactory answer. Has BTC economy really turned into a sea of ponzies and scam?
Is there ANYTHING worth of investing these days? Anything which might provide sustainable dividend, regardless of how low it might be?

Pls do not post cryptodublers, pyramid schemes, 5% per day ROI websites and similar junk. Only verifiable and transparent options pls.

Just Just-Dice in my opinion, I haven't seen a service where there is a non-guaranteed but solid chance of return other than that gambling site, not that their aren't good investments around the problem is that they aren't IPO or fundraising at this time.
In my opinion its a good time to wait or sit in cash/btc while waiting for investment opportunities to spring up.

I presumed you wanted an interest bearing investment in the entire crytocurrency sphere that can then be reconverted back to Bitcoin with a solid chance of a positive return in a future point in time.

Since there wasn't much mentioned in the Bitcoin sphere I think the whole crytocurrency system + conversions seems like a better area to look at and we might get some interesting ideas if anyone has any suggestions.

[crazyivan]

Hey guys,

I post these questions a lot recently on different forums but I ve not been able to receive a satisfactory answer. Has BTC economy really turned into a sea of ponzies and scam?
Is there ANYTHING worth of investing these days? Anything which might provide sustainable dividend, regardless of how low it might be?

Pls do not post cryptodublers, pyramid schemes, 5% per day ROI websites and similar junk. Only verifiable and transparent options pls.

Just Just-Dice in my opinion, I haven't seen a service where there is a non-guaranteed but solid chance of return other than that gambling site, not that their aren't good investments around the problem is that they aren't IPO or fundraising at this time.
In my opinion its a good time to wait or sit in cash/btc while waiting for investment opportunities to spring up.

I presumed you wanted an interest bearing investment in the entire crytocurrency sphere that can then be reconverted back to Bitcoin with a solid chance of a positive return in a future point in time.

Since there wasn't much mentioned in the Bitcoin sphere I think the whole crytocurrency system + conversions seems like a better area to look at and we might get some interesting ideas if anyone has any suggestions.

Interesting, could you elaborate a bit on just-dice. How does all this investment process work? What is your personal ROI experience with them?

[thy]

Hey guys,

I post these questions a lot recently on different forums but I ve not been able to receive a satisfactory answer. Has BTC economy really turned into a sea of ponzies and scam?
Is there ANYTHING worth of investing these days? Anything which might provide sustainable dividend, regardless of how low it might be?

Pls do not post cryptodublers, pyramid schemes, 5% per day ROI websites and similar junk. Only verifiable and transparent options pls.

Just Just-Dice in my opinion, I haven't seen a service where there is a non-guaranteed but solid chance of return other than that gambling site, not that their aren't good investments around the problem is that they aren't IPO or fundraising at this time.
In my opinion its a good time to wait or sit in cash/btc while waiting for investment opportunities to spring up.

I presumed you wanted an interest bearing investment in the entire crytocurrency sphere that can then be reconverted back to Bitcoin with a solid chance of a positive return in a future point in time.

Since there wasn't much mentioned in the Bitcoin sphere I think the whole crytocurrency system + conversions seems like a better area to look at and we might get some interesting ideas if anyone has any suggestions.

Interesting, could you elaborate a bit on just-dice. How does all this investment process work? What is your personal ROI experience with them?

Your investing in the bankroll of the site on just-dice and gets % of the earned profit  depending on your % of the total bankroll, i think the sites part of the profit is 20% so 80% of the profits goes to those staking the bankroll if it works the same as it did back when the site was btc based.

[Chef Ramsay]

CryptoVest Financial Services (CVFS) is a startup that has been paying divs the last 5 months in a row and they're still trying to close out their IPO. They have a live Q & A this Friday at 2p est if you're interested in asking any questions - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1026880.0. Check out their website to see their prospectus and what not.

[EternalWingsofGod]

Hey guys,

I post these questions a lot recently on different forums but I ve not been able to receive a satisfactory answer. Has BTC economy really turned into a sea of ponzies and scam?
Is there ANYTHING worth of investing these days? Anything which might provide sustainable dividend, regardless of how low it might be?

Pls do not post cryptodublers, pyramid schemes, 5% per day ROI websites and similar junk. Only verifiable and transparent options pls.

Just Just-Dice in my opinion, I haven't seen a service where there is a non-guaranteed but solid chance of return other than that gambling site, not that their aren't good investments around the problem is that they aren't IPO or fundraising at this time.
In my opinion its a good time to wait or sit in cash/btc while waiting for investment opportunities to spring up.

I presumed you wanted an interest bearing investment in the entire crytocurrency sphere that can then be reconverted back to Bitcoin with a solid chance of a positive return in a future point in time.

Since there wasn't much mentioned in the Bitcoin sphere I think the whole crytocurrency system + conversions seems like a better area to look at and we might get some interesting ideas if anyone has any suggestions.

Interesting, could you elaborate a bit on just-dice. How does all this investment process work? What is your personal ROI experience with them?

Your investing in the bankroll of the site on just-dice and gets % of the earned profit  depending on your % of the total bankroll, i think the sites part of the profit is 20% so 80% of the profits goes to those staking the bankroll if it works the same as it did back when the site was btc based.

That's about right but since the coin in question is Clam Coin and it uses proof of stake coins are staked and investors also recieve a portion of the mining revenue from each block staked on the chain.

So two revenue streams one for mining/proof of ownership and one for gambling with a 1% set house edge meaning that while volatile total volume will result in a return on income by staking and through gambling.

In terms of clams about 0.1BTC at the 0.005 / Clam price using the free Clam coins I recieved for having an old Bitcoin address that had balance back in the day (It utilizes Proof Of Chain) then turned into Proof of Stake to clarify.

(Percentage wise 30% APR (But it's still less than a year since the site has been put back online. Before that Doog stored a heck of a lot more bitcoins) so far most of my return has been from staking revenues and some from the gambling side the balance does grow over time and the price has been stable explaining the growth that said the % and ROI varies based on the conversion rate back into Bitcoins)
https://poloniex.com/exchange/btc_clam

JD is run by dooglus so you can check out their thread if your interested crazyivan (And have fun with all the pretty charts ha-ha)

[flyingplows]

It's kind of a bit risky I would say, because you risk even investing in BTC, but here you also risk investing in a casino and an altcoin which depends on a success of a single project (Just-Dice.com). There seems to be some other little projects, but they would hardly save the day if something would happen to Just-Dice.
Bla bla, ok I'm gonna grab some CLAMS and try this

[EternalWingsofGod]

It's kind of a bit risky I would say, because you risk even investing in BTC, but here you also risk investing in a casino and an altcoin which depends on a success of a single project (Just-Dice.com). There seems to be some other little projects, but they would hardly save the day if something would happen to Just-Dice.
Bla bla, ok I'm gonna grab some CLAMS and try this

True enough but if JD still had a Bitcoin bankroll I would use their site.
Nothing like getting a portion of the gambling revenues from the whales eventually (variance and all) but at least with Clams the coins value is smaller but it has a stake so an addtional revenue model is nice, it does add two additonal layers of risk verus Bitcoin one it adds an Altcoin to the mix then the price of Bitcoin as an additional relation, and second operator risk, still it is better than most of the ideas I've seen in the thread so far, conversion considered its been pretty stable.

Old members  can just claim free clams and turn them to BTC using their old Bitcoin addresses and move any balance in them to a new address without even needing to buy any clams from an exchange so free BTC in a sense (And I won't get in trouble for saying its practically a giveaway for oldies whistle) all it requires is a 2.53 percent increase in effort to be precise ha-ha
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147.msg11264272#msg11264272

[crazyivan]

It's kind of a bit risky I would say, because you risk even investing in BTC, but here you also risk investing in a casino and an altcoin which depends on a success of a single project (Just-Dice.com). There seems to be some other little projects, but they would hardly save the day if something would happen to Just-Dice.
Bla bla, ok I'm gonna grab some CLAMS and try this

True enough but if JD still had a Bitcoin bankroll I would use their site.
Nothing like getting a portion of the gambling revenues from the whales eventually (variance and all) but at least with Clams the coins value is smaller but it has a stake so an addtional revenue model is nice, it does add two additonal layers of risk verus Bitcoin one it adds an Altcoin to the mix then the price of Bitcoin as an additional relation, and second operator risk, still it is better than most of the ideas I've seen in the thread so far, conversion considered its been pretty stable.

Old members  can just claim free clams and turn them to BTC using their old Bitcoin addresses and move any balance in them to a new address without even needing to buy any clams from an exchange so free BTC in a sense (And I won't get in trouble for saying its practically a giveaway for oldies whistle) all it requires is a 2.53 percent increase in effort to be precise ha-ha
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147.msg11264272#msg11264272

Why clams? All these other elements seem OK but clams??? Using BTC or some other more prominent alt would be much easier option.

[flyingplows]

It's kind of a bit risky I would say, because you risk even investing in BTC, but here you also risk investing in a casino and an altcoin which depends on a success of a single project (Just-Dice.com). There seems to be some other little projects, but they would hardly save the day if something would happen to Just-Dice.
Bla bla, ok I'm gonna grab some CLAMS and try this

True enough but if JD still had a Bitcoin bankroll I would use their site.
Nothing like getting a portion of the gambling revenues from the whales eventually (variance and all) but at least with Clams the coins value is smaller but it has a stake so an addtional revenue model is nice, it does add two additonal layers of risk verus Bitcoin one it adds an Altcoin to the mix then the price of Bitcoin as an additional relation, and second operator risk, still it is better than most of the ideas I've seen in the thread so far, conversion considered its been pretty stable.

Old members  can just claim free clams and turn them to BTC using their old Bitcoin addresses and move any balance in them to a new address without even needing to buy any clams from an exchange so free BTC in a sense (And I won't get in trouble for saying its practically a giveaway for oldies whistle) all it requires is a 2.53 percent increase in effort to be precise ha-ha
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147.msg11264272#msg11264272

Why clams? All these other elements seem OK but clams??? Using BTC or some other more prominent alt would be much easier option.

They get a few things in one shot using clams. Yes, it increases the risk for you to invest, but at the same time they promote an altcoin of their choice and probably reduce the risk of catching any legal troubles. BTC gambling I would think is under closer attention by authorities than gambling with some relatively unknown asset... Especially having in mind the way they distributed that asset.
As I mentioned I really gonna try it. And might report any experiences or luck/unluck later

[crazyivan]

It's kind of a bit risky I would say, because you risk even investing in BTC, but here you also risk investing in a casino and an altcoin which depends on a success of a single project (Just-Dice.com). There seems to be some other little projects, but they would hardly save the day if something would happen to Just-Dice.
Bla bla, ok I'm gonna grab some CLAMS and try this

True enough but if JD still had a Bitcoin bankroll I would use their site.
Nothing like getting a portion of the gambling revenues from the whales eventually (variance and all) but at least with Clams the coins value is smaller but it has a stake so an addtional revenue model is nice, it does add two additonal layers of risk verus Bitcoin one it adds an Altcoin to the mix then the price of Bitcoin as an additional relation, and second operator risk, still it is better than most of the ideas I've seen in the thread so far, conversion considered its been pretty stable.

Old members  can just claim free clams and turn them to BTC using their old Bitcoin addresses and move any balance in them to a new address without even needing to buy any clams from an exchange so free BTC in a sense (And I won't get in trouble for saying its practically a giveaway for oldies whistle) all it requires is a 2.53 percent increase in effort to be precise ha-ha
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147.msg11264272#msg11264272

Why clams? All these other elements seem OK but clams??? Using BTC or some other more prominent alt would be much easier option.

They get a few things in one shot using clams. Yes, it increases the risk for you to invest, but at the same time they promote an altcoin of their choice and probably reduce the risk of catching any legal troubles. BTC gambling I would think is under closer attention by authorities than gambling with some relatively unknown asset... Especially having in mind the way they distributed that asset.
As I mentioned I really gonna try it. And might report any experiences or luck/unluck later

Pls do report back. I m also thinking of testing these waters but clams....
Even if I make some money, getting paid in such unknown alt makes me uncomfortable.

[DavidMc0]

As people here are looking for sustainable, low-risk, low-return crypto investment opportunities, what do you think of the concept I've posted here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1042591.0

It's basically enabling people to self-issue legally secured mortgage debt as crypto-bonds.  Interest payments are made periodically to bond holders, and the issuer re-pays the mortgage by re-purchasing the assets.

These assets would be readily exchangeable for Bitcoin or other cryptocurrencies.

If there were demand for such assets, a huge supply of them could be established if we could find ways of minimising risks to acceptable levels.

I'd appreciate any thoughts.

[crazyivan]

As people here are looking for sustainable, low-risk, low-return crypto investment opportunities, what do you think of the concept I've posted here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1042591.0

It's basically enabling people to self-issue legally secured mortgage debt as crypto-bonds.  Interest payments are made periodically to bond holders, and the issuer re-pays the mortgage by re-purchasing the assets.

These assets would be readily exchangeable for Bitcoin or other cryptocurrencies.

If there were demand for such assets, a huge supply of them could be established if we could find ways of minimising risks to acceptable levels.

I'd appreciate any thoughts.

Issuing secured mortgage debt? It does seem interesting, people would go for anything which is potentially profitable.

Wouldn't you need some form of permit to do this?

[Technomage]

Our company has a long term vision for Bitcoin, cryptocurrencies and building profitable & sustainable services on top of them. This is the core idea behind our company. A "complete ecosystem" approach.

Lots of projects are attempts at get-rich-quick, we are not one of those. We have steady revenue growth for 3 years now.

More information can be found from here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=999928.0

[crazyivan]

Our company has a long term vision for Bitcoin, cryptocurrencies and building profitable & sustainable services on top of them. This is the core idea behind our company. A "complete ecosystem" approach.

Lots of projects are attempts at get-rich-quick, we are not one of those. We have steady revenue growth for 3 years now.

More information can be found from here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=999928.0

Details pls. How does your payouts system works, I suppose dividends. How often, based on what, pls give us a short overview.

Thx

[flyingplows]

Seems like just buying some shares of a company doing various business in bitcoin.. Any guarantees? If not seems a bit risky and not very informative where you're putting your money in.. just sayin..

[Technomage]

Details pls. How does your payouts system works, I suppose dividends. How often, based on what, pls give us a short overview.

Thx

If you're looking for constant dividend payments, we're not the right investment. We are a startup company focusing on growth which means we have very little focus on dividends. Not at this stage, at least. Right now we're putting our money in investments that support our growth plan.

[Technomage]

Seems like just buying some shares of a company doing various business in bitcoin.. Any guarantees? If not seems a bit risky and not very informative where you're putting your money in.. just sayin..

No guarantees. However we're a solid, real company with a successful 3-year history behind us. So in that sense we're much less random than most Bitcoin investment opportunities.

[DavidMc0]

Issuing secured mortgage debt? It does seem interesting, people would go for anything which is potentially profitable.

Wouldn't you need some form of permit to do this?

Thanks for your feedback.  For now, I'm mostly asking to see if there would be demand for such assets.  The profit would be low, but reliable, and the assets would be a stable store of value relative to the fiat currency the mortgage is denominated in.

The concept I have is for people to arrange it as a person to person loan, involving no intermediaries who would be able to be regulated.  I don't know about in the US, but in the UK, the FCA only regulate businesses, and people are free to lend money to other individuals, and agreements in this context are legally binding & enforceable.  

If there seems to be demand, then I'll see if others are interested so we can look more deeply into mechanisms to enable this to work within legislation (hopefully in the US and EU at least, worldwide if possible), and so that interest & repayments are legally enforceable to give confidence to lenders / asset holders.

[ironman80]

It is very difficult to find good place to invest bitcoins online...Maybe bitcoin casinos,like just-dice,satoshi-dice,diggit.io...Maybe buying domain names for bitcoins,and then flipping them?

[crazyivan]

It is very difficult to find good place to invest bitcoins online...Maybe bitcoin casinos,like just-dice,satoshi-dice,diggit.io...Maybe buying domain names for bitcoins,and then flipping them?

Buying domains for BTC s not really BTC investment. You just use BTC to do so.

Your re wrong, there are several profitable BTC ventures.

[thy]

It's kind of a bit risky I would say, because you risk even investing in BTC, but here you also risk investing in a casino and an altcoin which depends on a success of a single project (Just-Dice.com). There seems to be some other little projects, but they would hardly save the day if something would happen to Just-Dice.
Bla bla, ok I'm gonna grab some CLAMS and try this

True enough but if JD still had a Bitcoin bankroll I would use their site.
Nothing like getting a portion of the gambling revenues from the whales eventually (variance and all) but at least with Clams the coins value is smaller but it has a stake so an addtional revenue model is nice, it does add two additonal layers of risk verus Bitcoin one it adds an Altcoin to the mix then the price of Bitcoin as an additional relation, and second operator risk, still it is better than most of the ideas I've seen in the thread so far, conversion considered its been pretty stable.

Old members  can just claim free clams and turn them to BTC using their old Bitcoin addresses and move any balance in them to a new address without even needing to buy any clams from an exchange so free BTC in a sense (And I won't get in trouble for saying its practically a giveaway for oldies whistle) all it requires is a 2.53 percent increase in effort to be precise ha-ha
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147.msg11264272#msg11264272

Why clams? All these other elements seem OK but clams??? Using BTC or some other more prominent alt would be much easier option.

Dooglus the owner of JD had to stop the old casino witch used BTC as gambling currency because of regulatory changes as new laws were directed towards BTC in Canada. But maby it would be possibe for him to in paralell to claims run a few other currencys like LTC and such also if the demand for gambling in other currencys is large enouth.

[crazyivan]

It's kind of a bit risky I would say, because you risk even investing in BTC, but here you also risk investing in a casino and an altcoin which depends on a success of a single project (Just-Dice.com). There seems to be some other little projects, but they would hardly save the day if something would happen to Just-Dice.
Bla bla, ok I'm gonna grab some CLAMS and try this

True enough but if JD still had a Bitcoin bankroll I would use their site.
Nothing like getting a portion of the gambling revenues from the whales eventually (variance and all) but at least with Clams the coins value is smaller but it has a stake so an addtional revenue model is nice, it does add two additonal layers of risk verus Bitcoin one it adds an Altcoin to the mix then the price of Bitcoin as an additional relation, and second operator risk, still it is better than most of the ideas I've seen in the thread so far, conversion considered its been pretty stable.

Old members  can just claim free clams and turn them to BTC using their old Bitcoin addresses and move any balance in them to a new address without even needing to buy any clams from an exchange so free BTC in a sense (And I won't get in trouble for saying its practically a giveaway for oldies whistle) all it requires is a 2.53 percent increase in effort to be precise ha-ha
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147.msg11264272#msg11264272

Why clams? All these other elements seem OK but clams??? Using BTC or some other more prominent alt would be much easier option.

Dooglus the owner of JD had to stop the old casino witch used BTC as gambling currency because of regulatory changes as new laws were directed towards BTC in Canada. But maby it would be possibe for him to in paralell to claims run a few other currencys like LTC and such also if the demand for gambling in other currencys is large enouth.

Yes, my point exactly. If he had to ditch BTC, why clams, there are several more prominent and more secure currencies available.

[thy]

It's kind of a bit risky I would say, because you risk even investing in BTC, but here you also risk investing in a casino and an altcoin which depends on a success of a single project (Just-Dice.com). There seems to be some other little projects, but they would hardly save the day if something would happen to Just-Dice.
Bla bla, ok I'm gonna grab some CLAMS and try this

True enough but if JD still had a Bitcoin bankroll I would use their site.
Nothing like getting a portion of the gambling revenues from the whales eventually (variance and all) but at least with Clams the coins value is smaller but it has a stake so an addtional revenue model is nice, it does add two additonal layers of risk verus Bitcoin one it adds an Altcoin to the mix then the price of Bitcoin as an additional relation, and second operator risk, still it is better than most of the ideas I've seen in the thread so far, conversion considered its been pretty stable.

Old members  can just claim free clams and turn them to BTC using their old Bitcoin addresses and move any balance in them to a new address without even needing to buy any clams from an exchange so free BTC in a sense (And I won't get in trouble for saying its practically a giveaway for oldies whistle) all it requires is a 2.53 percent increase in effort to be precise ha-ha
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147.msg11264272#msg11264272

Why clams? All these other elements seem OK but clams??? Using BTC or some other more prominent alt would be much easier option.

Dooglus the owner of JD had to stop the old casino witch used BTC as gambling currency because of regulatory changes as new laws were directed towards BTC in Canada. But maby it would be possibe for him to in paralell to claims run a few other currencys like LTC and such also if the demand for gambling in other currencys is large enouth.

Yes, my point exactly. If he had to ditch BTC, why clams, there are several more prominent and more secure currencies available.

Oh i guess that it was to promote the claims coin, i think dooglus was the person in the world that had most bitcoinadresses with a balance large enouth on them when claims started to qualify for free coins so he was the one that got most free claims, more than anyone else in the world did get.

[cryptojumper]

Oh i guess that it was to promote the claims coin, i think dooglus was the person in the world that had most bitcoinadresses with a balance large enouth on them when claims started to qualify for free coins so he was the one that got most free claims, more than anyone else in the world did get.

I think Satoshi should have even more CLAMS than dooglus Should be enough for a bankroll if he invested... I wonder whether Satoshi even knows how rich in CLAMS he is, it would be so cool if he dumped them all...

[overc]

Hey guys,

I post these questions a lot recently on different forums but I ve not been able to receive a satisfactory answer. Has BTC economy really turned into a sea of ponzies and scam?
Is there ANYTHING worth of investing these days? Anything which might provide sustainable dividend, regardless of how low it might be?

Pls do not post cryptodublers, pyramid schemes, 5% per day ROI websites and similar junk. Only verifiable and transparent options pls.

Have a look at that, real enterprise looking for additional investments, ROI about 30% per year.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054325.0

[crazyivan]

Hey guys,

I post these questions a lot recently on different forums but I ve not been able to receive a satisfactory answer. Has BTC economy really turned into a sea of ponzies and scam?
Is there ANYTHING worth of investing these days? Anything which might provide sustainable dividend, regardless of how low it might be?

Pls do not post cryptodublers, pyramid schemes, 5% per day ROI websites and similar junk. Only verifiable and transparent options pls.

Have a look at that, real enterprise looking for additional investments, ROI about 30% per year.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054325.0

What is collateral for this kind of investment? Who guarantees you wont run the next day?

[overc]

Hey guys,

I post these questions a lot recently on different forums but I ve not been able to receive a satisfactory answer. Has BTC economy really turned into a sea of ponzies and scam?
Is there ANYTHING worth of investing these days? Anything which might provide sustainable dividend, regardless of how low it might be?

Pls do not post cryptodublers, pyramid schemes, 5% per day ROI websites and similar junk. Only verifiable and transparent options pls.

Have a look at that, real enterprise looking for additional investments, ROI about 30% per year.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054325.0

What is collateral for this kind of investment? Who guarantees you wont run the next day?

We are real people, you can check our real contacts in ssl-certificate, whois.
I am here since 2013.
I would not put my reputation and real contacts here if I would not be confident in the project.
I agree, probably it is not enough trust for average investment, because we do not have much reputation yet,
but 30% annual return is much higher than average investment as well.

So, I think ROI/risk ratio quite good.

[thy]

Details pls. How does your payouts system works, I suppose dividends. How often, based on what, pls give us a short overview.

Thx

If you're looking for constant dividend payments, we're not the right investment. We are a startup company focusing on growth which means we have very little focus on dividends. Not at this stage, at least. Right now we're putting our money in investments that support our growth plan.

Actually i think your company Bittiraha.fi might be very interesting also for those that want dividend to but they would have to do a little workaround to get it.
If your valuation now is 2 750 000 euro, it should then be at least 2 900 000 - 3 250 000 euro after the funding round has succeded and if your currently process around 1 million EUR of trading volume per month and maby have a net profit somewhere in the 1-3% range of that, then with the added capital and new projects lets you can up those numbers to around 2 million EUR volume per month and an avg profitmarging of 2-4% instead then the valuation of the company should resonable at the very least increase by something like 0.34-2.46% a month. If  somone then wants a monthly dividend then if they for example bought 10 000 shares either directly or throu alcurex they could just sell off maby 0.15-1.2%(15-120 shares) of there stocks each month if the price per stock goes up as it resonably shuld do and they would both get the dividend they wanted and also have stocks left that has a higher value than they initially invested.

[Termin4tor]

Just one simple answer no, dont even think about cloud mining. 

[crazyivan]

Just one simple answer no, dont even think about cloud mining.  

I do think about it, I do use it and have been making constant profit on cloud mining for the last 6-7 months.

Just pick a reputable company, do not go with ponzies promising 17 days ROI and constantly reinvest at least 50% of your payouts.

[Technomage]

Actually i think your company Bittiraha.fi might be very interesting also for those that want dividend to but they would have to do a little workaround to get it.
If your valuation now is 2 750 000 euro, it should then be at least 2 900 000 - 3 250 000 euro after the funding round has succeded and if your currently process around 1 million EUR of trading volume per month and maby have a net profit somewhere in the 1-3% range of that, then with the added capital and new projects lets you can up those numbers to around 2 million EUR volume per month and an avg profitmarging of 2-4% instead then the valuation of the company should resonable at the very least increase by something like 0.34-2.46% a month. If  somone then wants a monthly dividend then if they for example bought 10 000 shares either directly or throu alcurex they could just sell off maby 0.15-1.2%(15-120 shares) of there stocks each month if the price per stock goes up as it resonably shuld do and they would both get the dividend they wanted and also have stocks left that has a higher value than they initially invested.

This is true. Our valuation and business is growing which means that by selling small amounts one can get periodical returns. Not dividends technically, but a return anyway.

We are planning to list our company to Privanet after the funding round. Privanet is a stock exchange for unlisted companies that allows trading the shares with much more liquidity than otherwise with small companies.

[crazyivan]

What else do we have? I see most of people go with cloud and staking. Is there anything else more differentiated? Supernet does not pay a dividend. Anything like that?

[overc]

What else do we have? I see most of people go with cloud and staking. Is there anything else more differentiated? Supernet does not pay a dividend. Anything like that?

So, we are different, we are not cloud nor staking: https://www.capelazarev.com
I can't hear from you any opinion about us except "Who guarantees you wont run the next day".
Give an example, with which guarantees you would be satisfied?

[crazyivan]

What else do we have? I see most of people go with cloud and staking. Is there anything else more differentiated? Supernet does not pay a dividend. Anything like that?

So, we are different, we are not cloud nor staking: https://www.capelazarev.com
I can't hear from you any opinion about us except "Who guarantees you wont run the next day".
Give an example, with which guarantees you would be satisfied?

You can be a completely honest guy but how can I know that?

[crazyivan]

Another interesting option related to Diamond DMD coin.

Several guys already took this opportunity.

Once more, THE MOMENT you invest 0.1 BTC in the DMD Diamond cloud service, you get 60% ROI back, that is you get 100 DMD Diamond coins back immediately, these are worth 0.06 BTC.

Also, you get daily payments in DMD Diamond coins to your DMD wallet, proportional to your cloud investment.

Plus, all these DMD Diamond coins stake at 50% per year and generate 50% annual interest to you.

This is a very good offer, IMHO.

More details here:

https://bit.diamonds/community/index.php/topic,113.0.html

[EternalWingsofGod]

Checking in on this thread since its been a while my clams are still growing due to staking and price has been stable since my last check in so doing good

Was checking the remains of havelock
And noticed there was one stable stock that has strong operator stability among them which is rentalstarter

Its model was turning Bitcoins into cash to acquire rental properties then using the rent to purchase new properties it's not doing so bad actually looking at it over the last two years, stable as a housing bubble or bust.

That said rentalstarter had a great conversion rate looking at it retroactively seeing how the price went and having real contact info is always a plus.
https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=RENT

Saw it briefly mentioned a while back and though checking on it a few months later didn't seem like a bad idea.

[overc]

What else do we have? I see most of people go with cloud and staking. Is there anything else more differentiated? Supernet does not pay a dividend. Anything like that?

So, we are different, we are not cloud nor staking: https://www.capelazarev.com
I can't hear from you any opinion about us except "Who guarantees you wont run the next day".
Give an example, with which guarantees you would be satisfied?

You can be a completely honest guy but how can I know that?

You can have a look at domain name, everything is registered for real person, we have the news on the web-site with photos how we are preparing for coming fishing season:
https://www.capelazarev.com/20150522_shift_ref_truck.shtml

We have some shareholders already, so 1st January 2016 you will see first real dividends here:
https://www.coinprism.info/asset/AGCX9BGE1spiPs6C48wva22VufbD6bpxEp/owners

We have put our official documents here (in russian):
https://www.capelazarev.com/index.shtml

[crazyivan]

What else do we have? I see most of people go with cloud and staking. Is there anything else more differentiated? Supernet does not pay a dividend. Anything like that?

So, we are different, we are not cloud nor staking: https://www.capelazarev.com
I can't hear from you any opinion about us except "Who guarantees you wont run the next day".
Give an example, with which guarantees you would be satisfied?

You can be a completely honest guy but how can I know that?

You can have a look at domain name, everything is registered for real person, we have the news on the web-site with photos how we are preparing for coming fishing season:
https://www.capelazarev.com/20150522_shift_ref_truck.shtml

We have some shareholders already, so 1st January 2016 you will see first real dividends here:
https://www.coinprism.info/asset/AGCX9BGE1spiPs6C48wva22VufbD6bpxEp/owners

We have put our official documents here (in russian):
https://www.capelazarev.com/index.shtml

Ok, good luck with your venture. As of me, I ll wait till Jan 2016 to be able to estimate profitability.

[overc]

Ok, good luck with your venture. As of me, I ll wait till Jan 2016 to be able to estimate profitability.

Sure, choice is yours, just to remind:
if some shares not sell this round, then we will offer second round in January 2016, but dividends for the second round shares will start in January 2017.

[MultiDice]

I would advise not to invest in any shady "enterprises", instead look for established venture accepting investments.

Visit http://multidice.me. With little help promoting, you as investor could be raking 99.9% of the site profits. Not to mention every investment increases the maximum bet profit for the players.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Another interesting option related to Diamond DMD coin.

Several guys already took this opportunity.

Once more, THE MOMENT you invest 0.1 BTC in the DMD Diamond cloud service, you get 60% ROI back, that is you get 100 DMD Diamond coins back immediately, these are worth 0.06 BTC.

Also, you get daily payments in DMD Diamond coins to your DMD wallet, proportional to your cloud investment.

Plus, all these DMD Diamond coins stake at 50% per year and generate 50% annual interest to you.

This is a very good offer, IMHO.

More details here:

https://bit.diamonds/community/index.php/topic,113.0.html

Bull

Fucking

Shit

[crazyivan]

Another interesting option related to Diamond DMD coin.

Several guys already took this opportunity.

Once more, THE MOMENT you invest 0.1 BTC in the DMD Diamond cloud service, you get 60% ROI back, that is you get 100 DMD Diamond coins back immediately, these are worth 0.06 BTC.

Also, you get daily payments in DMD Diamond coins to your DMD wallet, proportional to your cloud investment.

Plus, all these DMD Diamond coins stake at 50% per year and generate 50% annual interest to you.

This is a very good offer, IMHO.

More details here:

https://bit.diamonds/community/index.php/topic,113.0.html

Bull

Fucking

Shit

Haha, I advise you to trust people a bit more.

Lots of people already took this offer as you can see here:

claimed: sunday 17.05 highest bid digital-demon 0.25BTC
claimed: monday 18.05 digital-demon 0.25BTC
claimed: tuesday 19.05 digital-demon 0.25BTC
claimed: wednsday 20.05 maxocoin 0.25 BTC
claimed:  thursday 21.05 chilo 0.2 BTC
claimed: friday 22.05 digital-demon 0.2 BTC
claimed: saturday 23.05 starjazer 0.15 BTC
claimed: sunday 24.05 digital-demon 0.15 BTC
claimed: monday 25.05 digital-demon 0.15 BTC
claimed: tuesday 26.05 digital-demon 0.15 BTC
bids possible: wednsday 27.05 RasPI 0.1 BTC
bids possible: thursday 28.05 TRiLiXi 0.1 BTC
bids possible: friday 29.05 glax1983 0.1 BTC
bids possible: saturday 30.05
bids possible: sunday 31.05
bids possible: monday 01.06
bids possible: tuesday 02.06

Has any of these people been scammed? Anyone not receiving their coins? Ha?

DMD Diamond s been around for 2 years. If the team was dishonest, would the coin survive that long??


But this thread s not about DMD. What else is there worth of investing?

[claycoins]

The only securities I bought were mining ones and they turned out to be scams. So I haven't bothered with anything else.

[andreibi]

Try this
Triple your BTC at ArchVentures SA, Portugal

[OgNasty]

Try this
Triple your BTC at ArchVentures SA, Portugal

Promising to triple my BTC.  What could go wrong?

[crazyivan]

Try this
Triple your BTC at ArchVentures SA, Portugal

Triple? Why triple? I see this as another coin which acts a direct support towards development of these floating houses. What do you mean triple?

[andreibi]

Try this
Triple your BTC at ArchVentures SA, Portugal

Promising to triple my BTC.  What could go wrong?

Ohh, sorry. January 7 price was 3,600 satoshis, reached 75,000 satoshis and currently around 24,000 satoshis. I guess triple is conservative.

Triple? Why triple? I see this as another coin which acts a direct support towards development of these floating houses. What do you mean triple?

Currently in a correction but still in an uptrend. And the main product hasn't been launched yet. Yes, it's a coin/company equity.

[hunkey600]

Well i have been looking for some investment options for a while now, but every time i wait for a program it turns out to be scam, Obviously ponzis are born scam but still there are no good option yet and now hard to trust any program these days.

[osoverflow]

I would suggest my company. It has more than 2 years working, with regular updates to investors, and it is now profitable, and paying dividends. You don't need to trust on a exchange because we are moving to the blockchain with colored coins or counterparty, that are open standards and are visible on the blockchain.

https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=697

[waterpile]

Well i have been looking for some investment options for a while now, but every time i wait for a program it turns out to be scam, Obviously ponzis are born scam but still there are no good option yet and now hard to trust any program these days.

Yep, I'm losing faith the legitimate companies are turning into scam and most new companies coming out are ponzies.

[crazyivan]

I haven't seen anything new posted her in a couple of days. Anything new?

[katafrag]

sportarbs on counterparty

[cryptojumper]

I haven't seen anything new posted her in a couple of days. Anything new?

No, nothing new, just buy PayCON with all your money and let this thread die Nothing more to discuss about..

[katafrag]

http://blockscan.com/assetinfo/SPORTARBS

this is a top asset , i made 142% this season with his other asset EPL

About the Asset
Along with tipping on the EPL, I also place virtually risk free bets on many different sports using an arbitrage system.  Whilst successful, it does require a large bankroll to be effective.  This asset will pool the resources of interested investors to reduce the small risk present in utilising Arbitrage systems as well as maximizing the larger bankroll pool.

The bets placed with their results and profits will be held in a spreadsheet for investors to view.  Results will be published weekly via an update.

How my system works
I utilize a number of software services to monitor and place bets.  The only limitations are the time available to monitor the market as well as the bankroll available.

The bankroll is split over a number of bookmakers to ensure that best can be placed where an arbitrage opportunity is identified.

What is arbitrage?
Arbitrage is the process where you bet on all outcomes of a game.  When two bookmakers have sufficiently different odds which allows you to bet on both teams to a point where whatever the result you are guaranteed to make money.

My success rate
I am currently returning between 5% to 20% per month of the bank roll.  This figure depends on how much time I have to dedicate to watching the market for Arbs.
 

IPO Details
10000 shares @ 0.005 (approx) = 50BTC

Cost   Description
1.25 BTC   IPO Fee (Due to listing at Coinsortium initially)
0.75 BTC   Admin Costs
3 BTC   Arb Software Subscriptions
1.25 BTC   Mobile Internet Connection
    
43.75 BTC   Bankroll, split between a number of bookmakers
Due to relisting on Counterparty share sales will be in XCP and converted to BTC immediately.

Shares will be sold at 1.25 XCP

Dividends
Where profit has been made, dividend will be paid on the first day of each calendar month

Profit = Current Bankroll – Initial Bankroll (Excluding any bonus balances)
75% of Profit to Shareholders

20% of Profit to Asset Management

5% of Profit reinvested into Bankroll

Dividends will commence once 50% of IPO completed

Asset Buy Back Policy
Asset owners reserves the right to buy back shares on the open market at its discretion when the price to value is below what we feel is reasonable.    Shares purchased off the open market will not be re-issued.

Closing of Asset
At any time should the fund be closed for any reason - Shares will be bought back a price deemed reasonable by asset management

Disclaimer
Trading and Investment in Counterparty through this asset carries a high level of risk, and may not be suitable for all investors. The high degree of risk can work against you as well as for you. Before deciding to invest in any such asset you should carefully consider your investment objectives, level of experience, and risk appetite. The possibility exists that you could sustain a loss of some or all of your initial investment and therefore you should not invest money that you cannot afford to lose. You should be aware of all the risks associated with trading on Counterparty with this asset, and seek advice from an independent financial advisor if you have any doubts.

By becoming an investor you accept you are solely responsible to ensure your investment is legally permitted within your jurisdiction to do so.  You agree the asset owner takes no responsibility in ensuring you are in conformance with any applicable laws and regulations within your jurisdiction.

 

[crazyivan]

Well, DMD Diamond, which I ve recommended several times went up 100% compared to about a month ago.

I hope at least someone listened to me.

[BitcoinNewsMagazine]

Well, DMD Diamond, which I ve recommended several times went up 100% compared to about a month ago.

I hope at least someone listened to me.

DMD could go down 100% just as fast. Low volume altcoins (trading value about 1 BTC per day) are about the riskiest investment there is along with HYIPs. If you believe in cryptocurrency I think bitcoin should be your first choice. Long term it has the most legs and best risk/reward due to public perception and merchant adoption. If you have cheap power get yourself an S5 and mine your own.

[waterpile]

Well, DMD Diamond, which I ve recommended several times went up 100% compared to about a month ago.

I hope at least someone listened to me.

Isn't that common in altcoin prices, they got pumped for a time and after it got to the point that no one is buying they're going to dumped at once and the price went to rock bottom..

[crazyivan]

Well, DMD Diamond, which I ve recommended several times went up 100% compared to about a month ago.

I hope at least someone listened to me.

Isn't that common in altcoin prices, they got pumped for a time and after it got to the point that no one is buying they're going to dumped at once and the price went to rock bottom..

Well, we ll see what s going to happen. Dont forget DMD Diamond has been around for 2 years, not many altcoins have been alive and kicking that long. Remeber this post and we ll see what happens in a month.

[Phildo]

Well, DMD Diamond, which I ve recommended several times went up 100% compared to about a month ago.

I hope at least someone listened to me.

Isn't that common in altcoin prices, they got pumped for a time and after it got to the point that no one is buying they're going to dumped at once and the price went to rock bottom..

Well, we ll see what s going to happen. Dont forget DMD Diamond has been around for 2 years, not many altcoins have been alive and kicking that long. Remeber this post and we ll see what happens in a month.

A month isn't the correct time frame, the correct time frame is when people try to cash out or actually do something with their coins instead of just being investors.

[cryptojumper]

Low trading volume means when alt whales will want to cash out there will be a terrible drop that will take very long to go up again if it recovers at all. So low volume is the big NO. Even the biggest NO I would say.

[crazyivan]

Low trading volume means when alt whales will want to cash out there will be a terrible drop that will take very long to go up again if it recovers at all. So low volume is the big NO. Even the biggest NO I would say.

Well, I ve been reading this story for a long time, how it s gonna crash, how it s going down. I made a lot of money on DMD Diamond, I m not a whale and being able to sell $30 a day is all I need. I highly doubt any of you whales would be able invest more into DMD in order to get more then $50 per day of staked coins. I do respect your opinion but I m simply saying it can work, on my own example.

Damn, people offer 60% IMMEDIATE ROI on that cloud mining promotion. It s been around for several weeks and there has not been a single complaint. So, instead of constantly repeating the story all alts are scams and shit, maybe you could make some money for a change. There is still honest people in crypto.

[cryptojumper]

Low trading volume means when alt whales will want to cash out there will be a terrible drop that will take very long to go up again if it recovers at all. So low volume is the big NO. Even the biggest NO I would say.

Well, I ve been reading this story for a long time, how it s gonna crash, how it s going down. I made a lot of money on DMD Diamond, I m not a whale and being able to sell $30 a day is all I need. I highly doubt any of you whales would be able invest more into DMD in order to get more then $50 per day of staked coins. I do respect your opinion but I m simply saying it can work, on my own example.

Damn, people offer 60% IMMEDIATE ROI on that cloud mining promotion. It s been around for several weeks and there has not been a single complaint. So, instead of constantly repeating the story all alts are scams and shit, maybe you could make some money for a change. There is still honest people in crypto.

Maybe I misread something but I never said I was a whale or smth, I could hardly afford to invest without worrying about losing it to make 30$ a day from staking alone in this coin because I invested spare money in mainly Hashnest then PayCON and a few others like stakeminers already. I meant if people with big money would cashout it would severely affect the price and therefore holdings of others. But imagine if more guys did just like you advised - there would be constant selling pressure because of everybody dumping their stakes be it 10$, 30$ or 50$ a day. Well, but I wish this coin luck and hope there is enough new buyers to dump your stakes on. You are doing pretty good job hyping it on various forums btw

[crazyivan]

Low trading volume means when alt whales will want to cash out there will be a terrible drop that will take very long to go up again if it recovers at all. So low volume is the big NO. Even the biggest NO I would say.

Well, I ve been reading this story for a long time, how it s gonna crash, how it s going down. I made a lot of money on DMD Diamond, I m not a whale and being able to sell $30 a day is all I need. I highly doubt any of you whales would be able invest more into DMD in order to get more then $50 per day of staked coins. I do respect your opinion but I m simply saying it can work, on my own example.

Damn, people offer 60% IMMEDIATE ROI on that cloud mining promotion. It s been around for several weeks and there has not been a single complaint. So, instead of constantly repeating the story all alts are scams and shit, maybe you could make some money for a change. There is still honest people in crypto.

Maybe I misread something but I never said I was a whale or smth, I could hardly afford to invest without worrying about losing it to make 30$ a day from staking alone in this coin because I invested spare money in mainly Hashnest then PayCON and a few others like stakeminers already. I meant if people with big money would cashout it would severely affect the price and therefore holdings of others. But imagine if more guys did just like you advised - there would be constant selling pressure because of everybody dumping their stakes be it 10$, 30$ or 50$ a day. Well, but I wish this coin luck and hope there is enough new buyers to dump your stakes on. You are doing pretty good job hyping it on various forums btw

Paycon??? You say DMD Diamond s got low volume and I generally agree but Paycon s had whooping $7 volume in the last 24 hours and a mighty market cap of $ 12,538. Dont you think it s a bit strange to criticize DMD volume from a position of an investor in a coin having $7 daily volume.
Regarding me posting on other forums, yes, I do try to promote DMD wherever I can but I have not posted anything which I do not stand behind and I mostly post DMD statistics and promotions. Btw, there s a huge DMD promo campaign to be started next Monday. Let see how that works.

To stay on topic, maybe you could share your experience about Hashnest here or anything else you have considered investing in?

[crazyivan]

What s new guys, what do you invest in these days?

[BitcoinNewsMagazine]

S5 hashing, interest bearing wallet at HaoBTC. Waiting for S7 announcement. I think the pot coins that are going to be backed by actual cannabis could appreciate a good bit. I am also interested in BC as it is the only alt on Bitcoin Wisdom that has been making new highs.

[crazyivan]

S5 hashing, interest bearing wallet at HaoBTC. Waiting for S7 announcement. I think the pot coins that are going to be backed by actual cannabis could appreciate a good bit. I am also interested in BC as it is the only alt on Bitcoin Wisdom that has been making new highs.

HaoBTC does seem interesting but I just do not feel comfortable putting my money into some Chinese wallet which can run away in a second. It does offer a sensible interest rate, it does have a credible story behind it but still, all this depends on trusting the guy who s behind it.

No thx, I will not be scammed.

[cryptojumper]

What do you guys think about that new coin that will be created by merging all their previous coins or smth at gorillastake. GorillaBucks or how it's called. They seem to be involved in this for quite some time and know what they are doing, but that dev seems a bit unstable at times, locked his thread at bitcointalk https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1059159.1500 and stuff..

[SebastianJu]

I wish there was. The only decent investment that I have found is Bitfinex (lending BTC/USD there), and I'm not even sure about that one.

How can we expect BTC ecosystem to develop then. If there s nothing we can actually invest in??

The problem is that even when bitcoin entrepreneurs are honest... then they are either no businessmens and do stupid decisions, did not calculate the risks enough and once something goes wrong everything goes down or/and are behaving stupid communicationwise. Dont speak with their shareholders, dont accept good tips and so on.

Its really hard to find good investments but there are. Maybe i should create a thread one day that lists the things that are worth it. Together with the risks involved.

[SebastianJu]

http://blockscan.com/assetinfo/SPORTARBS

this is a top asset , i made 142% this season with his other asset EPL

About the Asset
Along with tipping on the EPL, I also place virtually risk free bets on many different sports using an arbitrage system.  Whilst successful, it does require a large bankroll to be effective.  This asset will pool the resources of interested investors to reduce the small risk present in utilising Arbitrage systems as well as maximizing the larger bankroll pool.

The bets placed with their results and profits will be held in a spreadsheet for investors to view.  Results will be published weekly via an update.

How my system works
I utilize a number of software services to monitor and place bets.  The only limitations are the time available to monitor the market as well as the bankroll available.

The bankroll is split over a number of bookmakers to ensure that best can be placed where an arbitrage opportunity is identified.

What is arbitrage?
Arbitrage is the process where you bet on all outcomes of a game.  When two bookmakers have sufficiently different odds which allows you to bet on both teams to a point where whatever the result you are guaranteed to make money.

My success rate
I am currently returning between 5% to 20% per month of the bank roll.  This figure depends on how much time I have to dedicate to watching the market for Arbs.
 

IPO Details
10000 shares @ 0.005 (approx) = 50BTC

Cost   Description
1.25 BTC   IPO Fee (Due to listing at Coinsortium initially)
0.75 BTC   Admin Costs
3 BTC   Arb Software Subscriptions
1.25 BTC   Mobile Internet Connection
    
43.75 BTC   Bankroll, split between a number of bookmakers
Due to relisting on Counterparty share sales will be in XCP and converted to BTC immediately.

Shares will be sold at 1.25 XCP

Dividends
Where profit has been made, dividend will be paid on the first day of each calendar month

Profit = Current Bankroll – Initial Bankroll (Excluding any bonus balances)
75% of Profit to Shareholders

20% of Profit to Asset Management

5% of Profit reinvested into Bankroll

Dividends will commence once 50% of IPO completed

Asset Buy Back Policy
Asset owners reserves the right to buy back shares on the open market at its discretion when the price to value is below what we feel is reasonable.    Shares purchased off the open market will not be re-issued.

Closing of Asset
At any time should the fund be closed for any reason - Shares will be bought back a price deemed reasonable by asset management

Disclaimer
Trading and Investment in Counterparty through this asset carries a high level of risk, and may not be suitable for all investors. The high degree of risk can work against you as well as for you. Before deciding to invest in any such asset you should carefully consider your investment objectives, level of experience, and risk appetite. The possibility exists that you could sustain a loss of some or all of your initial investment and therefore you should not invest money that you cannot afford to lose. You should be aware of all the risks associated with trading on Counterparty with this asset, and seek advice from an independent financial advisor if you have any doubts.

By becoming an investor you accept you are solely responsible to ensure your investment is legally permitted within your jurisdiction to do so.  You agree the asset owner takes no responsibility in ensuring you are in conformance with any applicable laws and regulations within your jurisdiction.

 

Sports betting arbitrage doesnt work in a way that it could be possible to reach these profits. Nowadays sports betting websites work together to eliminate these arbitrage opportunities.

I didnt found what you meant with "i made 142% this season with his other asset EPL".

To be honest, reading that from a newbie and adding these high percent values makes it hard to believe what you wrote.

[Tagr.Dev]

Well if you are looking to invest i would recommend to stay away from any high amount IPO or ico,  mostly from alt coins, if the dev is really worried about the coin he will ask only the minimum amount as a kick start for later taking the same boat as rest of investors, NOT the opposite.

Take a look to my topic if you wanna know what i'm talking about:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1092796.0

[crazyivan]

DMD Diamond went up 100% during the last 24 hours. I hope at least some of you guys followed my advice and snatched some.

[Linuld]

DMD Diamond went up 100% during the last 24 hours. I hope at least some of you guys followed my advice and snatched some.

Can you explain why that happened? The price was stable for a long time it seems and now it jumped that hard? Any news happened or was that only price manipulation or something like that?

[crazyivan]

DMD Diamond went up 100% during the last 24 hours. I hope at least some of you guys followed my advice and snatched some.

Can you explain why that happened? The price was stable for a long time it seems and now it jumped that hard? Any news happened or was that only price manipulation or something like that?

What do you mean what happened? A couple of whales who re interested in 50% stake rate and a coin which is obviously long term investment happened.
No manipulation, no major dumps, this is what people like and this is why DMD Diamond s been around for almost 2 years.

[Linuld]

DMD Diamond went up 100% during the last 24 hours. I hope at least some of you guys followed my advice and snatched some.

Can you explain why that happened? The price was stable for a long time it seems and now it jumped that hard? Any news happened or was that only price manipulation or something like that?

What do you mean what happened? A couple of whales who re interested in 50% stake rate and a coin which is obviously long term investment happened.
No manipulation, no major dumps, this is what people like and this is why DMD Diamond s been around for almost 2 years.

Sorry, but that looks more like pump and dump. Especially when the price was very stable all the time and then suddenly it is rocketing.

Might be that its a good stable coin but i would be feary that the price will drop to the old levels fast.

[crazyivan]

DMD Diamond went up 100% during the last 24 hours. I hope at least some of you guys followed my advice and snatched some.

Can you explain why that happened? The price was stable for a long time it seems and now it jumped that hard? Any news happened or was that only price manipulation or something like that?

What do you mean what happened? A couple of whales who re interested in 50% stake rate and a coin which is obviously long term investment happened.
No manipulation, no major dumps, this is what people like and this is why DMD Diamond s been around for almost 2 years.

Sorry, but that looks more like pump and dump. Especially when the price was very stable all the time and then suddenly it is rocketing.

Might be that its a good stable coin but i would be feary that the price will drop to the old levels fast.

I understand your concern, it s not up to me to convince you to get into DMD or not. I ll just say we are about to celebrate 2nd DMD Diamond Bday in a few days. How many pump and dump coins you know have survived that long? Nah, DMD Diamond s not a pump and dump coin.

[SparkedDev]

Here is my public investment portfolio i'm starting.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1100184

I invested a little over 120btc recently into dmd.
Its not really a pump dump in my eyes its a stable coin plus the 50% pos was very appealing.



But feel free to follow my public investment portfolio.

[Linuld]

DMD Diamond went up 100% during the last 24 hours. I hope at least some of you guys followed my advice and snatched some.

Can you explain why that happened? The price was stable for a long time it seems and now it jumped that hard? Any news happened or was that only price manipulation or something like that?

What do you mean what happened? A couple of whales who re interested in 50% stake rate and a coin which is obviously long term investment happened.
No manipulation, no major dumps, this is what people like and this is why DMD Diamond s been around for almost 2 years.

Sorry, but that looks more like pump and dump. Especially when the price was very stable all the time and then suddenly it is rocketing.

Might be that its a good stable coin but i would be feary that the price will drop to the old levels fast.

I understand your concern, it s not up to me to convince you to get into DMD or not. I ll just say we are about to celebrate 2nd DMD Diamond Bday in a few days. How many pump and dump coins you know have survived that long? Nah, DMD Diamond s not a pump and dump coin.

You might be right. I'm not so much in altcoins that i can judge this. How long did the other pos-coins survive that died, maybe created as a scam from the start, or so?

[crazyivan]

DMD Diamond went up 100% during the last 24 hours. I hope at least some of you guys followed my advice and snatched some.

Can you explain why that happened? The price was stable for a long time it seems and now it jumped that hard? Any news happened or was that only price manipulation or something like that?

What do you mean what happened? A couple of whales who re interested in 50% stake rate and a coin which is obviously long term investment happened.
No manipulation, no major dumps, this is what people like and this is why DMD Diamond s been around for almost 2 years.

Sorry, but that looks more like pump and dump. Especially when the price was very stable all the time and then suddenly it is rocketing.

Might be that its a good stable coin but i would be feary that the price will drop to the old levels fast.

I understand your concern, it s not up to me to convince you to get into DMD or not. I ll just say we are about to celebrate 2nd DMD Diamond Bday in a few days. How many pump and dump coins you know have survived that long? Nah, DMD Diamond s not a pump and dump coin.

You might be right. I'm not so much in altcoins that i can judge this. How long did the other pos-coins survive that died, maybe created as a scam from the start, or so?

Very few other PoS alts survived their first bday. Also, many other alts are based on premine where devs just wait for the price to go up to unload these premined coins and kill the entire coin.
With DMD Diamond, it s a bit different, this coin has been very resilient to pump and dump, the price s been going up constantly, slowly but going up. IMHO, it s a safe long term investment.
We celebrated the second DMD Bday yesterday, take a look at the cakes. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=580725.msg11870935#msg11870935
In case anyone s got any questions about DMD, let me know, I m always glad to help.

[Linuld]

DMD Diamond went up 100% during the last 24 hours. I hope at least some of you guys followed my advice and snatched some.

Can you explain why that happened? The price was stable for a long time it seems and now it jumped that hard? Any news happened or was that only price manipulation or something like that?

What do you mean what happened? A couple of whales who re interested in 50% stake rate and a coin which is obviously long term investment happened.
No manipulation, no major dumps, this is what people like and this is why DMD Diamond s been around for almost 2 years.

Sorry, but that looks more like pump and dump. Especially when the price was very stable all the time and then suddenly it is rocketing.

Might be that its a good stable coin but i would be feary that the price will drop to the old levels fast.

I understand your concern, it s not up to me to convince you to get into DMD or not. I ll just say we are about to celebrate 2nd DMD Diamond Bday in a few days. How many pump and dump coins you know have survived that long? Nah, DMD Diamond s not a pump and dump coin.

You might be right. I'm not so much in altcoins that i can judge this. How long did the other pos-coins survive that died, maybe created as a scam from the start, or so?

Very few other PoS alts survived their first bday. Also, many other alts are based on premine where devs just wait for the price to go up to unload these premined coins and kill the entire coin.
With DMD Diamond, it s a bit different, this coin has been very resilient to pump and dump, the price s been going up constantly, slowly but going up. IMHO, it s a safe long term investment.
We celebrated the second DMD Bday yesterday, take a look at the cakes. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=580725.msg11870935#msg11870935
In case anyone s got any questions about DMD, let me know, I m always glad to help.

Are you one of the developers? When i would hold some coins of them, how would i hold them so that i would stake the most? Simply in my wallet, should i create blocks or use a service that does this. Whats the most profitable way to hold these coins?

[crazyivan]

DMD Diamond went up 100% during the last 24 hours. I hope at least some of you guys followed my advice and snatched some.

Can you explain why that happened? The price was stable for a long time it seems and now it jumped that hard? Any news happened or was that only price manipulation or something like that?

What do you mean what happened? A couple of whales who re interested in 50% stake rate and a coin which is obviously long term investment happened.
No manipulation, no major dumps, this is what people like and this is why DMD Diamond s been around for almost 2 years.

Sorry, but that looks more like pump and dump. Especially when the price was very stable all the time and then suddenly it is rocketing.

Might be that its a good stable coin but i would be feary that the price will drop to the old levels fast.

I understand your concern, it s not up to me to convince you to get into DMD or not. I ll just say we are about to celebrate 2nd DMD Diamond Bday in a few days. How many pump and dump coins you know have survived that long? Nah, DMD Diamond s not a pump and dump coin.

You might be right. I'm not so much in altcoins that i can judge this. How long did the other pos-coins survive that died, maybe created as a scam from the start, or so?

Very few other PoS alts survived their first bday. Also, many other alts are based on premine where devs just wait for the price to go up to unload these premined coins and kill the entire coin.
With DMD Diamond, it s a bit different, this coin has been very resilient to pump and dump, the price s been going up constantly, slowly but going up. IMHO, it s a safe long term investment.
We celebrated the second DMD Bday yesterday, take a look at the cakes. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=580725.msg11870935#msg11870935
In case anyone s got any questions about DMD, let me know, I m always glad to help.

Are you one of the developers? When i would hold some coins of them, how would i hold them so that i would stake the most? Simply in my wallet, should i create blocks or use a service that does this. Whats the most profitable way to hold these coins?

That s the beauty of DMD Diamond wallet. All you need to do is to get as much as can/want, place it your wallet and wait for it to age and mint.

Differently from lots of other PoS coins where you need to rearrange you block all the time, follow difficulty so you can start minting when it s low etc.etc, with DMD, all you need to do is have coins and put them in the wallet. The wallet ll do everything else for you and you will get 50% annual stake until the next block halving.

This coin is designed for people who have no time to follow the market constantly and would like to have stable and sustainable PoS income. This is why I like it.

[BitcoinNewsMagazine]

I have been making 15% returns per month consistently trading GH/s on the Hashnest exchange. It is important to identify the contract with the current highest yield, it is not always S5. In fact right now UMISOO is the winner. I explain how you can do it yourself at how to profit with Bitmain Hashnest.

[Linuld]

So how long should the age? Or is that not so much important? I got the point with the difficulty.

So are you a developer?

DMD Diamond went up 100% during the last 24 hours. I hope at least some of you guys followed my advice and snatched some.

Can you explain why that happened? The price was stable for a long time it seems and now it jumped that hard? Any news happened or was that only price manipulation or something like that?

What do you mean what happened? A couple of whales who re interested in 50% stake rate and a coin which is obviously long term investment happened.
No manipulation, no major dumps, this is what people like and this is why DMD Diamond s been around for almost 2 years.

Sorry, but that looks more like pump and dump. Especially when the price was very stable all the time and then suddenly it is rocketing.

Might be that its a good stable coin but i would be feary that the price will drop to the old levels fast.

I understand your concern, it s not up to me to convince you to get into DMD or not. I ll just say we are about to celebrate 2nd DMD Diamond Bday in a few days. How many pump and dump coins you know have survived that long? Nah, DMD Diamond s not a pump and dump coin.

You might be right. I'm not so much in altcoins that i can judge this. How long did the other pos-coins survive that died, maybe created as a scam from the start, or so?

Very few other PoS alts survived their first bday. Also, many other alts are based on premine where devs just wait for the price to go up to unload these premined coins and kill the entire coin.
With DMD Diamond, it s a bit different, this coin has been very resilient to pump and dump, the price s been going up constantly, slowly but going up. IMHO, it s a safe long term investment.
We celebrated the second DMD Bday yesterday, take a look at the cakes. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=580725.msg11870935#msg11870935
In case anyone s got any questions about DMD, let me know, I m always glad to help.

Are you one of the developers? When i would hold some coins of them, how would i hold them so that i would stake the most? Simply in my wallet, should i create blocks or use a service that does this. Whats the most profitable way to hold these coins?

That s the beauty of DMD Diamond wallet. All you need to do is to get as much as can/want, place it your wallet and wait for it to age and mint.

Differently from lots of other PoS coins where you need to rearrange you block all the time, follow difficulty so you can start minting when it s low etc.etc, with DMD, all you need to do is have coins and put them in the wallet. The wallet ll do everything else for you and you will get 50% annual stake until the next block halving.

This coin is designed for people who have no time to follow the market constantly and would like to have stable and sustainable PoS income. This is why I like it.

[crazyivan]

So how long should the age? Or is that not so much important? I got the point with the difficulty.

So are you a developer?

DMD Diamond went up 100% during the last 24 hours. I hope at least some of you guys followed my advice and snatched some.

Can you explain why that happened? The price was stable for a long time it seems and now it jumped that hard? Any news happened or was that only price manipulation or something like that?

What do you mean what happened? A couple of whales who re interested in 50% stake rate and a coin which is obviously long term investment happened.
No manipulation, no major dumps, this is what people like and this is why DMD Diamond s been around for almost 2 years.

Sorry, but that looks more like pump and dump. Especially when the price was very stable all the time and then suddenly it is rocketing.

Might be that its a good stable coin but i would be feary that the price will drop to the old levels fast.

I understand your concern, it s not up to me to convince you to get into DMD or not. I ll just say we are about to celebrate 2nd DMD Diamond Bday in a few days. How many pump and dump coins you know have survived that long? Nah, DMD Diamond s not a pump and dump coin.

You might be right. I'm not so much in altcoins that i can judge this. How long did the other pos-coins survive that died, maybe created as a scam from the start, or so?

Very few other PoS alts survived their first bday. Also, many other alts are based on premine where devs just wait for the price to go up to unload these premined coins and kill the entire coin.
With DMD Diamond, it s a bit different, this coin has been very resilient to pump and dump, the price s been going up constantly, slowly but going up. IMHO, it s a safe long term investment.
We celebrated the second DMD Bday yesterday, take a look at the cakes. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=580725.msg11870935#msg11870935
In case anyone s got any questions about DMD, let me know, I m always glad to help.

Are you one of the developers? When i would hold some coins of them, how would i hold them so that i would stake the most? Simply in my wallet, should i create blocks or use a service that does this. Whats the most profitable way to hold these coins?

That s the beauty of DMD Diamond wallet. All you need to do is to get as much as can/want, place it your wallet and wait for it to age and mint.

Differently from lots of other PoS coins where you need to rearrange you block all the time, follow difficulty so you can start minting when it s low etc.etc, with DMD, all you need to do is have coins and put them in the wallet. The wallet ll do everything else for you and you will get 50% annual stake until the next block halving.

This coin is designed for people who have no time to follow the market constantly and would like to have stable and sustainable PoS income. This is why I like it.

Yes, I am a member of the dev team. This is not a one man coin, we have several people on the team. The minimum staking age is 9 days and your coins will stake some time after that.

[Linuld]

So how long should the age? Or is that not so much important? I got the point with the difficulty.

So are you a developer?

DMD Diamond went up 100% during the last 24 hours. I hope at least some of you guys followed my advice and snatched some.

Can you explain why that happened? The price was stable for a long time it seems and now it jumped that hard? Any news happened or was that only price manipulation or something like that?

What do you mean what happened? A couple of whales who re interested in 50% stake rate and a coin which is obviously long term investment happened.
No manipulation, no major dumps, this is what people like and this is why DMD Diamond s been around for almost 2 years.

Sorry, but that looks more like pump and dump. Especially when the price was very stable all the time and then suddenly it is rocketing.

Might be that its a good stable coin but i would be feary that the price will drop to the old levels fast.

I understand your concern, it s not up to me to convince you to get into DMD or not. I ll just say we are about to celebrate 2nd DMD Diamond Bday in a few days. How many pump and dump coins you know have survived that long? Nah, DMD Diamond s not a pump and dump coin.

You might be right. I'm not so much in altcoins that i can judge this. How long did the other pos-coins survive that died, maybe created as a scam from the start, or so?

Very few other PoS alts survived their first bday. Also, many other alts are based on premine where devs just wait for the price to go up to unload these premined coins and kill the entire coin.
With DMD Diamond, it s a bit different, this coin has been very resilient to pump and dump, the price s been going up constantly, slowly but going up. IMHO, it s a safe long term investment.
We celebrated the second DMD Bday yesterday, take a look at the cakes. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=580725.msg11870935#msg11870935
In case anyone s got any questions about DMD, let me know, I m always glad to help.

Are you one of the developers? When i would hold some coins of them, how would i hold them so that i would stake the most? Simply in my wallet, should i create blocks or use a service that does this. Whats the most profitable way to hold these coins?

That s the beauty of DMD Diamond wallet. All you need to do is to get as much as can/want, place it your wallet and wait for it to age and mint.

Differently from lots of other PoS coins where you need to rearrange you block all the time, follow difficulty so you can start minting when it s low etc.etc, with DMD, all you need to do is have coins and put them in the wallet. The wallet ll do everything else for you and you will get 50% annual stake until the next block halving.

This coin is designed for people who have no time to follow the market constantly and would like to have stable and sustainable PoS income. This is why I like it.

Yes, I am a member of the dev team. This is not a one man coin, we have several people on the team. The minimum staking age is 9 days and your coins will stake some time after that.

What do you think about stakeminers.com? Would you suggest them? Are they real and do they handle the coins really in a way that they get the most staking?

A thing i don't like so very much is that you need to know the rules for successful staking for each coin. Having someone who does this for you, i mean maximizing profits, would be a good thing. Only thing is i don't know if to trust them.

[crazyivan]

So how long should the age? Or is that not so much important? I got the point with the difficulty.

So are you a developer?

DMD Diamond went up 100% during the last 24 hours. I hope at least some of you guys followed my advice and snatched some.

Can you explain why that happened? The price was stable for a long time it seems and now it jumped that hard? Any news happened or was that only price manipulation or something like that?

What do you mean what happened? A couple of whales who re interested in 50% stake rate and a coin which is obviously long term investment happened.
No manipulation, no major dumps, this is what people like and this is why DMD Diamond s been around for almost 2 years.

Sorry, but that looks more like pump and dump. Especially when the price was very stable all the time and then suddenly it is rocketing.

Might be that its a good stable coin but i would be feary that the price will drop to the old levels fast.

I understand your concern, it s not up to me to convince you to get into DMD or not. I ll just say we are about to celebrate 2nd DMD Diamond Bday in a few days. How many pump and dump coins you know have survived that long? Nah, DMD Diamond s not a pump and dump coin.

You might be right. I'm not so much in altcoins that i can judge this. How long did the other pos-coins survive that died, maybe created as a scam from the start, or so?

Very few other PoS alts survived their first bday. Also, many other alts are based on premine where devs just wait for the price to go up to unload these premined coins and kill the entire coin.
With DMD Diamond, it s a bit different, this coin has been very resilient to pump and dump, the price s been going up constantly, slowly but going up. IMHO, it s a safe long term investment.
We celebrated the second DMD Bday yesterday, take a look at the cakes. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=580725.msg11870935#msg11870935
In case anyone s got any questions about DMD, let me know, I m always glad to help.

Are you one of the developers? When i would hold some coins of them, how would i hold them so that i would stake the most? Simply in my wallet, should i create blocks or use a service that does this. Whats the most profitable way to hold these coins?

That s the beauty of DMD Diamond wallet. All you need to do is to get as much as can/want, place it your wallet and wait for it to age and mint.

Differently from lots of other PoS coins where you need to rearrange you block all the time, follow difficulty so you can start minting when it s low etc.etc, with DMD, all you need to do is have coins and put them in the wallet. The wallet ll do everything else for you and you will get 50% annual stake until the next block halving.

This coin is designed for people who have no time to follow the market constantly and would like to have stable and sustainable PoS income. This is why I like it.

Yes, I am a member of the dev team. This is not a one man coin, we have several people on the team. The minimum staking age is 9 days and your coins will stake some time after that.

What do you think about stakeminers.com? Would you suggest them? Are they real and do they handle the coins really in a way that they get the most staking?

A thing i don't like so very much is that you need to know the rules for successful staking for each coin. Having someone who does this for you, i mean maximizing profits, would be a good thing. Only thing is i don't know if to trust them.

I use them for about 3 months now and I have had no issues with them. That being said, I really cannot offer guarantees for anything else besides DMD Diamond since DMD is a coin where I am directly involved.
Regarding rules of successful staking, yes, this might be an issue for many PoS coins but not for DMD.

If you select this coin, all you need to do is to download the wallet, get some coins, put them in the wallet and open for staking after 9+ days. No need to rearrange blocks, to resize them, to watch the difficulty, NOTHING. The wallet does it all for you. ATM, 50% annual stake until the next block halving and the price slowly goes up.

[katafrag]

Barter on Havelock
EPL 2015 on NXT 
BFTB on NXT

[Linuld]

Barter on Havelock
EPL 2015 on NXT 
BFTB on NXT

These projects look dubious. Barter? Investing in startups? Sounds risky and is so broad that it can be a cover easily.

The second project i didn't find.

The last one is mining? Why invest there? These things never went good in the last months.

[crowetic]

Would like to come back and post an update on the http://byte.enterprises investments that I've mentioned way earlier in the thread.


Thus far there has been 0 missed payouts, and ByteEnt asset has been paying around 5% a month. ByteBank has never missed its steady monthly payout.

I don't expect us to EVER miss a payout, and there are 2 more contributing factors to ByteEnt payouts that are coming now. Ads on the Blockexplorer generating revenue, and another asset that I'm planning on putting payouts from, into ByteEnt for better payouts.

Also, I have 10TB more mining power I will be adding to the ByteEnt asset miner within the next few days, just have to actually get the time to put it into the cluster of the rest of the mining drives.

More and more people are realizing that BURST has the most advanced technology that a lot of other coins are TRYING to do, and BURST has already done. It has the power for a decentralized eBay, and decentralized cryptocurrency exchange, and I've got plans in mind for a couple sites that will use BURST tech to make these ventures as well.

The asset has appreciated in value from its last release of 15 BURST, to now the latest trades of over 30 BURST! I expect it to do nothing but grow!

Thank you for your time and support of ByteEnterprises!


edit - also note, that http://burst.ninja (the pool of which the fee comprises the majority of ByteEnt asset payouts) is now the largest in the world for BURST! We are very happy about this, it means that our development is great, and the miners love our payout system. Our code was developed from the ground up, and the pool has be extremely stable, no crashes in the last... wow it has been a very long time indeed! I can't even remember the last time I have had to restart it. Everything is going very well. All we need now is increase in BURST overall price.

[dooglus]

I saw this thread linked in the Just-Dice "troll box", so thought I'd take a look. I skimmed through it and replied to the parts that referenced Just-Dice.

I think that some of those dice sites are a good choice, just-dice has this investment option.
Just-dice has been in the game for long enough time to be called "trusted".
But there is always a chance that the site is hacked or the owners (or some of the programmers) take all the coins and run.

There's only one programmer, and he's also the owner. He's also me.

I stopped dealing with Bitcoin because I didn't feel comfortable holding $50 million worth of other people's Bitcoin. If I was going to "take all the coins and run", I would have done it when I had $50 million worth, not after switching to an altcoin deliberately to downsize.

Thanks for mentioning Just-Dice though. We recently reached the 200% point - anyone who contributed to the Just-Dice bankroll when it relaunched 7 months ago will have just doubled their deposit as of last week. On top of that, the price of the altcoin we use also doubled over the same period, so they will have quadrupled their money in dollar terms. 400% return over 7 months isn't bad, but of course we can't promise the same will happen over the next 7 months.

I tend to avoid anything with ROI under a year, 99% of those are scams.

I keep seeing people talk about how long "ROI" takes. What does that mean?

If you invest in something and get a profit of even 0.00001% per day, isn't that still a return? Aren't you making a return on your investment from day 1?

I understand if you're buying something, like a mining contact say, which takes 100 days to pay you the amount you paid for it. Then you're running at a loss for the first 100 days, and at a profit after that. But isn't that a special case? If I buy Apple shares, I'm investing in Apple. Does it make sense to talk about "how long for ROI"? If the shares go up the next day, I've made a return immediately, haven't I? It's the same with Just-Dice, and as far as I know all other dice sites with crowd sourced bankrolls. You can invest and divest at will, with no fee, so you can "ROI" in 5 seconds if you're lucky.

Is there ANYTHING worth of investing these days?

Just Just-Dice in my opinion, I haven't seen a service where there is a non-guaranteed but solid chance of return other than that gambling site, not that their aren't good investments around the problem is that they aren't IPO or fundraising at this time.

Thanks for the vote of confidence. Note that Just-Dice pays staking rewards as well as sharing gambler losses. Others mentioned proof-of-stake coins as a possible investment. Just-Dice uses CLAMs, which are a proof-of-stake coin, generating something like 0.2% per day at the moment. Somewhat strangely this huge inflation doesn't cause the price to drop - the price has been increasing pretty steadily along with the supply.

Interesting, could you elaborate a bit on just-dice. How does all this investment process work? What is your personal ROI experience with them?

You deposit coins, then contribute them to the bankroll. Players bet against the site. If they lose, you win and vice-versa. There's a 1% house edge, so in the long run you expect to profit. Additionally your coins stake for you while they're in the bankroll. The profit from staking generally covers any losses from players winning, even in the worst week we've seen so far. You get to chose your risk level. The most conservative investors have been seeing around 1.4% per week recently. Higher risk investors see much less stable returns, ranging from -3% to +10% per week recently. This post gives actual week-by-week numbers for the two extremes of riskiness.

Your investing in the bankroll of the site on just-dice and gets % of the earned profit  depending on your % of the total bankroll, i think the sites part of the profit is 20% so 80% of the profits goes to those staking the bankroll if it works the same as it did back when the site was btc based.

The site takes 10% of (new, net) profits from losing players, and 10% of staking rewards. It's the same as it was for BTC.

it does add two additonal layers of risk verus Bitcoin one it adds an Altcoin to the mix then the price of Bitcoin as an additional relation, and second operator risk, still it is better than most of the ideas I've seen in the thread so far, conversion considered its been pretty stable.

That's a good point. You are exposed to fluctuations in the price of CLAM, and CLAM's market cap only recently broke the $1 million barrier (compared to several $billion for Bitcoin).

Old members  can just claim free clams and turn them to BTC using their old Bitcoin addresses and move any balance in them to a new address without even needing to buy any clams from an exchange so free BTC in a sense

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147.msg11264272#msg11264272

To be precise, every BTC, LTC, and DOGE address that had a non-dust balance on 12th May 2014 was given 4.6 CLAMs in the initial distribution of CLAM. So lots of people already have CLAMs waiting for them, for free. You need to have the private key for the funded address to claim the CLAM, but don't need to give it to anyone. You can check whether any particular BTC, LTC, or DOGE address has free CLAMs waiting for it by typing /dig and the address in the chat tab at Just-Dice.com.

Why clams? All these other elements seem OK but clams??? Using BTC or some other more prominent alt would be much easier option.

Why CLAMs? I'm not sure. I was interested by the distribution method. Thousands of people already have some, for free. The coin was fully pre-mined, then all of it was given away, 4.6 CLAMs to every BTC, LTC, and DOGE address. I liked that idea. The problem with running the site for BTC was that it attracted way too many coins. I was holding over 60,000 BTC at one point. It's hard to imagine, but that's too much money to be able to relax around...

Oh i guess that it was to promote the claims coin, i think dooglus was the person in the world that had most bitcoinadresses with a balance large enouth on them when claims started to qualify for free coins so he was the one that got most free claims, more than anyone else in the world did get.

I get that a lot, but it's not actually the case. I used to be very OCD about keeping the Just-Dice wallet tidy. I would regularly sweep its balance into a single "cold wallet" address. I think I had about 30 funded addresses at the time of the CLAM initial distribution, and so got around 130 CLAMs for free. Maybe it was 20 or 40, but it was something around there. It's a little unfair, because people who never tidied their wallet up, and just let unspent outputs linger for months will have done much better than people who made the effort to keep the majority of coins safely offline.

Edit: I just counted. I got 49 sets of 4.6 CLAMs.

Checking in on this thread since its been a while my clams are still growing due to staking and price has been stable since my last check in so doing good

Did you stay invested? What return have you seen over what period?

[shitaifan2013]

I tend to avoid anything with ROI under a year, 99% of those are scams.

I keep seeing people talk about how long "ROI" takes. What does that mean?

If you invest in something and get a profit of even 0.00001% per day, isn't that still a return? Aren't you making a return on your investment from day 1?

I understand if you're buying something, like a mining contact say, which takes 100 days to pay you the amount you paid for it. Then you're running at a loss for the first 100 days, and at a profit after that. But isn't that a special case? If I buy Apple shares, I'm investing in Apple. Does it make sense to talk about "how long for ROI"? If the shares go up the next day, I've made a return immediately, haven't I? It's the same with Just-Dice, and as far as I know all other dice sites with crowd sourced bankrolls. You can invest and divest at will, with no fee, so you can "ROI" in 5 seconds if you're lucky.

I think people are still confusing "break-even" and "ROI" on a regular basis. if they're asking for "how long to ROI?" they really mean breaking even with their initial investment  or 100 % ROI.

[TeKenway]

Anything that has a guarantee rate of return above 5% I would be skeptical about.

I have honestly been looking for a BTC practice that has a firm lined up. A TPA, Custodian, Insurance backed, and monthly or weekly newsletter's on BTC speculation, estate plans, and tax implications.

Seems hard enought just to find a company with a dedicated phone line. But have to remind ourselves that this is still reletively young product.

There are some extremely smart people doing some fascinating things. Just have to dig through the dirt to find the planted seeds.

[dooglus]

Anything that has a guarantee rate of return above 5% I would be skeptical about.

Nothing has a guaranteed rate of return, not really. There are always risks involved.

And over what time period do you find over 5% unacceptable? Are you talking per annum?

[TeKenway]

Seen a few posts where people are claiming a guaranteed rate of around that figure.
From the posts it looks like a monthly calculation.

5 yr Fixed annuities have a guarantee rate but it's of around 2%.

7 year index's such as the momentum 5 have a 1.5% floor and a 5.5% cap.

I understand bitcoin is interely different and it's volitility would have me stay clear of anyone claiming high returns and even adding in guaranteed rates.

Now I have seen some companies are insurance backed but it covers insolvency and theft, not market volatility.

As far as time horizen goes, I do not find 5% unacceptable over a 12M spread, it's not even unacceptable in a day with the way BTC moves. Just the guartaneed word scares me.

Now I am new to the bitcoin world and I am not claiming to be an expert on anything and please do not take my advise, was just my thought of mind at the moment of posting the comment.

[BitcoinNewsMagazine]

If you have spare bitcoin you would like to put to work in a low risk investment you can loan the bitcoin to margin traders at an exchange. I am currently getting a 25% annual return and explain how to do it here with an easy to follow illustrated guide.

[dooglus]

If you have spare bitcoin you would like to put to work in a low risk investment you can loan the bitcoin to margin traders at an exchange. I am currently getting a 25% annual return and explain how to do it here with an easy to follow illustrated guide.

That's OK until the exchange shuts down and keeps your coins. It has happened lots of times before. See how any guarantee they offered holds up when they claim that they were "hacked" and all your coins were stolen...

The advice to keep coins on an exchange for as short a time as possible is good advice.

[crazyivan]

If you have spare bitcoin you would like to put to work in a low risk investment you can loan the bitcoin to margin traders at an exchange. I am currently getting a 25% annual return and explain how to do it here with an easy to follow illustrated guide.

That's OK until the exchange shuts down and keeps your coins. It has happened lots of times before. See how any guarantee they offered holds up when they claim that they were "hacked" and all your coins were stolen...

The advice to keep coins on an exchange for as short a time as possible is good advice.

How is this different from keeping coins on gambling website? Do not get me wrong, I m not saying your website is risky, just following your chain of thoughts.

[dooglus]

How is this different from keeping coins on gambling website? Do not get me wrong, I m not saying your website is risky, just following your chain of thoughts.

It isn't different. Whenever you send coins to a third party you are running the risk that the third party doesn't give them back to you.

Even if you trust me personally, there are things outside my control which could result in the loss of the coins I am holding.

You need to assess the risks before making a decision. Don't assume that any exchange or gambling site is 100% guaranteed to still be running tomorrow. Many exchanges and gambling sites have vanished into the night taking customer deposits with them.

Edit: by the way I just noticed your signature. First off, anything promising 50% annual interest is almost certainly a scam, and secondly the font is too big. My screen is 1366 pixels wide, and when I full-screen my browser window at 100% zoom, your ad looks like this:



Edit2: oh, I see - it's an altcoin with 50% annual monetary inflation. That's not really the same as 50% annual interest is it?

[crazyivan]

How is this different from keeping coins on gambling website? Do not get me wrong, I m not saying your website is risky, just following your chain of thoughts.

It isn't different. Whenever you send coins to a third party you are running the risk that the third party doesn't give them back to you.

Even if you trust me personally, there are things outside my control which could result in the loss of the coins I am holding.

You need to assess the risks before making a decision. Don't assume that any exchange or gambling site is 100% guaranteed to still be running tomorrow. Many exchanges and gambling sites have vanished into the night taking customer deposits with them.

Edit: by the way I just noticed your signature. First off, anything promising 50% annual interest is almost certainly a scam, and secondly the font is too big. My screen is 1366 pixels wide, and when I full-screen my browser window at 100% zoom, your ad looks like this:



Edit2: oh, I see - it's an altcoin with 50% annual monetary inflation. That's not really the same as 50% annual interest is it?

It s an altcoin with 50% annual PoS rate until the next block halving. If you have 1000 DMD, in a year you ll have 1500 DMD.
No scam, everything is really transparent, the coin s been around for over 2 years now and I have not met a SINGLE person who s been unhappy with the coin. If you do not trust me, you go find anyone who s ever been scammed using DMD. A single person?

Also the price went up 100% compared to a few months ago since then it s been pretty stable. The number of new wallets s been constantly growing and I am quite happy using it, it has brought me nothing but profits.


However, I did not open this thread to talk about stuff I already invested in, I need new stuff. What is annual ROI from your service, based on historical data?

[dooglus]

Edit2: oh, I see - it's an altcoin with 50% annual monetary inflation. That's not really the same as 50% annual interest is it?

It s an altcoin with 50% annual PoS rate until the next block halving. If you have 1000 DMD, in a year you ll have 1500 DMD.
No scam, everything is really transparent, the coin s been around for over 2 years now and I have not met a SINGLE person who s been unhappy with the coin. If you do not trust me, you go find anyone who s ever been scammed using DMD. A single person?

Also the price went up 100% compared to a few months ago since then it s been pretty stable. The number of new wallets s been constantly growing and I am quite happy using it, it has brought me nothing but profits.

Fair enough. I hadn't realised it was an altcoin at first. Sounds a lot like CLAM. There are 800k CLAM in circulation, and 1 is created each minute. That's 525k per year, so a little over 50%.

However, I did not open this thread to talk about stuff I already invested in, I need new stuff. What is annual ROI from your service, based on historical data?

The service has been running since around Dec 12th 2014, and has returned 105.21% profit since then (ie. if you invested 100 CLAMs at launch, you would have 205.21 CLAMs now).

105.21% in 233 days is 208.6% per annum, assuming the same rate of growth:

>>> ((105.21/100 + 1) ** (365.25/233) - 1) * 100
208.60384203443814

Over that period, the price of CLAM has also gone up around 400% from 0.002 BTC to 0.01 BTC:



Past performance is no indication of future performance, etc.

[glendall]

Seen a few posts where people are claiming a guaranteed rate of around that figure.
From the posts it looks like a monthly calculation.

5 yr Fixed annuities have a guarantee rate but it's of around 2%.

7 year index's such as the momentum 5 have a 1.5% floor and a 5.5% cap.

I understand bitcoin is interely different and it's volitility would have me stay clear of anyone claiming high returns and even adding in guaranteed rates.

Now I have seen some companies are insurance backed but it covers insolvency and theft, not market volatility.

As far as time horizen goes, I do not find 5% unacceptable over a 12M spread, it's not even unacceptable in a day with the way BTC moves. Just the guartaneed word scares me.

Now I am new to the bitcoin world and I am not claiming to be an expert on anything and please do not take my advise, was just my thought of mind at the moment of posting the comment.

Here's one just about as close to guaranteed 6% MONTHLY that you or anyone else can get:  the POS coin Hobonickels.

HBN coin offers 6% monthly without any shadiness or concern about dealing with scammers. (Which I've been really fucked with by the way, most notably Jon Montroll of Bitfunder who stole all his users' coins and by other disappearing investments.)

As your a noob, I'll give you a really basic breakdown of what PoS coin is (most others here I'm sure know already). PoS stands for Proof of Stake (as opposed to bitcoin, which is a POW coin, Proof of Work). For proof of stake coins, you effectively get an interest payment. By owning the coin and showing a stake in it, your wallet generates/mines new coins. That's the nutshell, read up on it more if you like.

About every 10 days you'll get 2% more coins.

I've done well with this coin.

Are there any catches? Yes, one big catch. Is that you will always generate the PoS interest but the market price of the coin is of course the be-all-end-all. So even though personally I bought X amount of coins a year and half ago and now how roughly double the coins, but as I bought in around 0.00012 a coin and it is now 0.00005 a coin, so haven't come out too far ahead.

The good news is though that for new buyer hobonickels is close to it's all time bottom currently. You could probably buy a decent amount for 0.00004 if you are patient (buy order for a week I'd imagine) and I highly, highly highly doubt it will ever sell less for 0.00003 again, and in fact, the indicators look like it will go up.

As with anything, check it out for yourself. I'd also like to say that this POS coin has the best wallet of any other POS coin. There are many POS coins but I'm not fully up to date on the rest. Like most coins, many other POS coins launched, then got pumped and dumped and never used again. HBN though, is the best of the bunch, and though it went through a pump and dump phase (at one point selling for 10x its current market value) I think it has the fundamentals and staying power to be a good investment going forward. Judge for yourself, of course.

Further reading:  
http://hobonickels.info/        Hobonickels homepage

Cryptocharts price chart for HBN:
http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/pair/hbn/btc/cryptsy/1-year        

Bitcointalk thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=303749.0

Oh ya, one more thing. I hated the name 'hobonickels' and still don't like it much. But if its any consolation, a hobonickel was a real thing once upon a time, it was a hand made currency in the early 20th century, if that makes it sound any better to you.          

Disclaimer: I like hobonickels, think it is undervalued, and have a large holding of it so would of course profit from its growing popularity.  But everything I said here is true nonetheless.

[Phildo]

the bottom for a coin is 0. Why on earth would you think that anything but that is the bottom? What is going to stop the other people who are staking the coin from selling them to cash out and further crash the price?

[Patatas]

i think there are no "sustainable" investments epecially with bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies
there's always a risk

[Possum577]

Hey guys,

I post these questions a lot recently on different forums but I ve not been able to receive a satisfactory answer. Has BTC economy really turned into a sea of ponzies and scam?
Is there ANYTHING worth of investing these days? Anything which might provide sustainable dividend, regardless of how low it might be?

Pls do not post cryptodublers, pyramid schemes, 5% per day ROI websites and similar junk. Only verifiable and transparent options pls.

How can you invest in something that requires a transaction that's essentially anonymous, isn't reversible, and has zero recourse if one gets scammed? If you want an investment opportunity you convert your bitcoin to fiat and then use that fiat to buy your investment. The bitcoin will only be in fiat for a few days (at most). Honestly, it's the only legitimate way to do it at this point.

I guess there's one other option - create an honest investment for us to engage in...

[crazyivan]

Hey guys,

I post these questions a lot recently on different forums but I ve not been able to receive a satisfactory answer. Has BTC economy really turned into a sea of ponzies and scam?
Is there ANYTHING worth of investing these days? Anything which might provide sustainable dividend, regardless of how low it might be?

Pls do not post cryptodublers, pyramid schemes, 5% per day ROI websites and similar junk. Only verifiable and transparent options pls.

How can you invest in something that requires a transaction that's essentially anonymous, isn't reversible, and has zero recourse if one gets scammed? If you want an investment opportunity you convert your bitcoin to fiat and then use that fiat to buy your investment. The bitcoin will only be in fiat for a few days (at most). Honestly, it's the only legitimate way to do it at this point.

I guess there's one other option - create an honest investment for us to engage in...

This is all true but if I wanted FIAT investments, I would not be on this forum. I m a big time crypto supporter. Fortunately, there are still nice crypto investment opportunities, one just need to use his head not to get scammed.

[dooglus]

Are there any catches? Yes, one big catch. Is that you will always generate the PoS interest but the market price of the coin is of course the be-all-end-all. So even though personally I bought X amount of coins a year and half ago and now how roughly double the coins, but as I bought in around 0.00012 a coin and it is now 0.00005 a coin, so haven't come out too far ahead.

It sounds like the price has gone down faster than your number of coins has gone up.

You have doubled your number of coins, but each is worth less than half what you paid for them. That's a loss of value, not a gain: every 12 BTC you bought in with you give you 10 BTC if you sold now. That's a 16.67% loss.

Is there any reason to expect the market cap of this coin to increase? Are there new services accepting it? An increase in awareness of it? If not, as staking causes the money supply to increase we can expect the per-unit price to decrease to keep the market cap the same.

[glendall]

the bottom for a coin is 0. Why on earth would you think that anything but that is the bottom? What is going to stop the other people who are staking the coin from selling them to cash out and further crash the price?

Well sure technically any coin's bottom is '0', even bitcoin. Obviously, right.  The common sense bottom I'm talking about it is the likely lowest point of the coins daily average market trade.  My *estimate* for the bottom of HBN is 0.00003 because it hasn't gone lower than that in a year.

As for your second question, the ultimate answer is of course 'nothing'. But being as proof of stake coin there is less incentive for everyone staking the coin then the majority of other coins. Think of it, if you were generating a 6% stake interest a month, and the price was relatively stable for the last year, why would you want to sell your entire stake and crash the price? It would be in your best interest to just sell in small amounts, or just your monthly 6% or what not.

[glendall]

Are there any catches? Yes, one big catch. Is that you will always generate the PoS interest but the market price of the coin is of course the be-all-end-all. So even though personally I bought X amount of coins a year and half ago and now how roughly double the coins, but as I bought in around 0.00012 a coin and it is now 0.00005 a coin, so haven't come out too far ahead.

It sounds like the price has gone down faster than your number of coins has gone up.

You have doubled your number of coins, but each is worth less than half what you paid for them. That's a loss of value, not a gain: every 12 BTC you bought in with you give you 10 BTC if you sold now. That's a 16.67% loss.

Is there any reason to expect the market cap of this coin to increase? Are there new services accepting it? An increase in awareness of it? If not, as staking causes the money supply to increase we can expect the per-unit price to decrease to keep the market cap the same.

The price went through a pretty wild raise and fall, like many coins do. That's why I mentioned it, to warn people.

As for your calculations showing a 16.67%, I'm pretty sure you are wrong on that.  You are not factoring in the compounding nature of the interest.  Doing some simple calculations here:

10,000  coins   x  bought at price of 0.00012     = 1.2 BTc

With 6% monthly interest, that grows as your coin supply goes:

After 16 months you would have 25,403 coins, and at a market price of  0 x 0.00005, that's =  1.27 BTC

Also, one of big points that I'm trying to make is that its a good time to buy HBN. I really, really don't think it will fall 50% in value, as happened im my case. As said, the coin price hasn't fallen much below 0.00003 in over a year. If you bought at 0.00004 I don't expect it to fall to 0.00002.  And if you are talking short term, in one month, I find it extremely unlikely that it would fall 50%. 

Nothing is guaranteed. But I'm saying that getting a 6% on HBN, at least for the sake of argument lets say for 30 days, is vastly, vastly way better of an option of investment than some of the investments others are bringing up in this thread, especially the 'black box' type where large portion will be scams. And likewise, I think that these very strong odds of making 6% in 30 days are also vastly better than making 4% of 'standard / real world' investment bond, especially considering 4% hardly gets you anywhere when the American dollar will probably have about 2% or more annual inflation anyways.

Is HBN the greatest investment of all time ? No, but I think it is better bet than most.

[ranlo]

Are there any catches? Yes, one big catch. Is that you will always generate the PoS interest but the market price of the coin is of course the be-all-end-all. So even though personally I bought X amount of coins a year and half ago and now how roughly double the coins, but as I bought in around 0.00012 a coin and it is now 0.00005 a coin, so haven't come out too far ahead.

It sounds like the price has gone down faster than your number of coins has gone up.

You have doubled your number of coins, but each is worth less than half what you paid for them. That's a loss of value, not a gain: every 12 BTC you bought in with you give you 10 BTC if you sold now. That's a 16.67% loss.

Is there any reason to expect the market cap of this coin to increase? Are there new services accepting it? An increase in awareness of it? If not, as staking causes the money supply to increase we can expect the per-unit price to decrease to keep the market cap the same.

Far too many people are caught up in "I'm getting free coins" and aren't paying attention to the economics of it. 1 million $0.00 coins are worth far less than one $0.01 coin. But this ignorance among "investors" is also what leads to higher volatility, so it's not that bad for people that actually know what they're doing.

[crazyivan]

The problem with people who re not into PoS is the lack of knowledge about inflation control. When you see a coin which offers 750% PoS annually, you would think, WOW, overproduction will result in high inflation and the price will go down. This is NOT true. Cause this 750% of a specific coin is only in theory in laboratory conditions. In practice, there are several elements which limit this stake rate to much lower 20%, 50%, 100%, depending on coin, which is manageable, especially in combination with large community and small number of coins.

But again, I am already into PoS, I would like to find something else new to test and I have already found a few very nice option which I will test this month. What else?

[Phildo]

the bottom for a coin is 0. Why on earth would you think that anything but that is the bottom? What is going to stop the other people who are staking the coin from selling them to cash out and further crash the price?

Well sure technically any coin's bottom is '0', even bitcoin. Obviously, right.  The common sense bottom I'm talking about it is the likely lowest point of the coins daily average market trade.  My *estimate* for the bottom of HBN is 0.00003 because it hasn't gone lower than that in a year.

As for your second question, the ultimate answer is of course 'nothing'. But being as proof of stake coin there is less incentive for everyone staking the coin then the majority of other coins. Think of it, if you were generating a 6% stake interest a month, and the price was relatively stable for the last year, why would you want to sell your entire stake and crash the price? It would be in your best interest to just sell in small amounts, or just your monthly 6% or what not.

Because if I can sell my entire stake right now and get out with a profit, it makes sense to do it before someone else does it and leaves you fucked. the coin has no trading volume. What happens when 1 person realizes that they can make a profit (or not get totally fucked) by selling all their shit right now and not caring about the price? You can't do the math of number of coins I have now times price because you can't actually get that if you sell everything via slippage. You tell yourself it's in your best interest to sell a bit at a time, and hope that everyone does that, but what happens if someone thinks it's in their best interest to dump and cash out? Why do people expect other people to care about the price after they cash out? I see people make that assumption so many times with all sorts of coins and just don't get it. This coin did $25 volume yesterday and people act like it's some sort unstoppable beast where everyone is cashing out a little as they go and getting rich magically, when in reality everyone is sitting there collecting coins, and some people are just waiting until they have enough to get out.

[EternalWingsofGod]

But again, I am already into PoS, I would like to find something else new to test and I have already found a few very nice option which I will test this month. What else?

At the moment I'm curious on ethereum and whether it will have the growth to become a sustainable investment.
You get rewarded for people using your applications in Ethereum I believe and with the release of Frontier and trading starting on exchanges its on my radar for observation.

[crazyivan]

So, long time no new updates. What s new here?

[ranlo]

So, long time no new updates. What s new here?

Nothing really worth investing in yet, unless you're interested in buying entire projects. There's a casino, a poker site, and an online ecommerce site for sale atm. Past that, it's pretty investment-light right now.

[Gelfman BP]

Gelfman Blueprint is a New York based Financial-Tech company focused on the development of various Bitcoin and financial applications. As a registered MSB (Money Service Business), we currently offer access to a high frequency bitcoin hedge fund. In the past year, our customers have received a monthly return of 7-11% on their bitcoin.

More info can be found here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1158920

[SparkedDev]

Gelfman Blueprint is a New York based Financial-Tech company focused on the development of various Bitcoin and financial applications. As a registered MSB (Money Service Business), we currently offer access to a high frequency bitcoin hedge fund. In the past year, our customers have received a monthly return of 7-11% on their bitcoin.

More info can be found here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1158920

I did see something about this in my post when i get some time tonight ill take a gander at it.

[ranlo]

Gelfman Blueprint is a New York based Financial-Tech company focused on the development of various Bitcoin and financial applications. As a registered MSB (Money Service Business), we currently offer access to a high frequency bitcoin hedge fund. In the past year, our customers have received a monthly return of 7-11% on their bitcoin.

More info can be found here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1158920

I did see something about this in my post when i get some time tonight ill take a gander at it.

Note that the guy who posted that ("Gelfman BP") misrepresented himself as an employee of the business. He's not, and the place is apparently closed-doors right now regardless. Not to mention the first post there has a lot of wrong information, as stated by a real Gelfman employee.

[crazyivan]

Gelfman Blueprint is a New York based Financial-Tech company focused on the development of various Bitcoin and financial applications. As a registered MSB (Money Service Business), we currently offer access to a high frequency bitcoin hedge fund. In the past year, our customers have received a monthly return of 7-11% on their bitcoin.

More info can be found here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1158920

I did see something about this in my post when i get some time tonight ill take a gander at it.

Note that the guy who posted that ("Gelfman BP") misrepresented himself as an employee of the business. He's not, and the place is apparently closed-doors right now regardless. Not to mention the first post there has a lot of wrong information, as stated by a real Gelfman employee.

Are you really surprised? How many of those 1% per day schemes have we seen so far? Investing into anything cloud based or online based is a big risk. It takes a lot of transparency and past results to even consider that.

[OgNasty]

I guess there's one other option - create an honest investment for us to engage in...

That's the route I went, but you're a tough bunch. 

[Branny]

I guess there's one other option - create an honest investment for us to engage in...

That's the route I went, but you're a tough bunch.  

The money available via the bitcoin route for 'legitimate' products is amazingly low and really doesn't make sense for a company to do it.

With a quality startup going the havelock/ect route, you'd be lucky to fund over $50k, and that simply isn't enough to do much with. Meanwhile in countries like the UK you could go with a legitimate crowdfund route and have a pretty easy time getting $500k-$1mm without too many troubles and relatively low investment. Once second market type exchanges come available with JOBS 2012 compliance (And there's 3-4 working on it) bitcoin investment in the US will make even less sense. I'd ask you then, do you REALLY want to be in a country with even less legal oversight and investor recourse than the US or Europe?

I've met many awesome investors so far in the bitcoin world, and maybe it's just me but all of them seem burnt out. You've got bankruptcy after bankruptcy, failure after failure and so on of companies that took or lost SIGNIFICANT sums of money.
 
Freidcat?
AMC?
Bitfunder?
MtGox?
Neo & Bee?

Just between a few guys I know there were MILLIONS lost by way of these companies.

[OgNasty]

I guess there's one other option - create an honest investment for us to engage in...

That's the route I went, but you're a tough bunch.  

I've met many awesome investors so far in the bitcoin world, and maybe it's just me but all of them seem burnt out. You've got bankruptcy after bankruptcy, failure after failure and so on of companies that took or lost SIGNIFICANT sums of money.
  
Freidcat?
AMC?
Bitfunder?
MtGox?
Neo & Bee?

Just between a few guys I know there were MILLIONS lost by way of these companies.

Which is why I created something that not only couldn't lose money or file bankruptcy, and allows anyone to help build revenues, but also made initial supporters whole in less than 1 year.  Those who held since the beginning have seen a ~300% return in weekly distributions as well as a ~400% appreciation of their holdings.  Perhaps investor burnout is the reason why the efforts have gone largely unnoticed, but it still hurts to see threads like this that promote failure after failure and ignore the longstanding positive projects.

[ranlo]

I guess there's one other option - create an honest investment for us to engage in...

That's the route I went, but you're a tough bunch. 

The money available via the bitcoin route for 'legitimate' products is amazingly low and really doesn't make sense for a company to do it.

With a quality startup going the havelock/ect route, you'd be lucky to fund over $50k, and that simply isn't enough to do much with. Meanwhile in countries like the UK you could go with a legitimate crowdfund route and have a pretty easy time getting $500k-$1mm without too many troubles and relatively low investment. Once second market type exchanges come available with JOBS 2012 compliance (And there's 3-4 working on it) bitcoin investment in the US will make even less sense. I'd ask you then, do you REALLY want to be in a country with even less legal oversight and investor recourse than the US or Europe?

I've met many awesome investors so far in the bitcoin world, and maybe it's just me but all of them seem burnt out. You've got bankruptcy after bankruptcy, failure after failure and so on of companies that took or lost SIGNIFICANT sums of money.
 
Freidcat?
AMC?
Bitfunder?
MtGox?
Neo & Bee?

Just between a few guys I know there were MILLIONS lost by way of these companies.

This happens because people keep blindly throwing their money at every business, regardless of what it is, in the hopes of becoming a millionaire. If people continue being stupid, we'll continue seeing businesses go bankrupt one after another (in the real world, these would never get off the ground because accredited investors aren't morons. In the crypto world, they take off and crash because the people that invest have no idea what they're doing).

In the past 2+ years following businesses in the crypto world, I've seen a total of one business that was a legitimate opportunity. The rest have been obviously run by people that don't know what's going on and hope that just by making a crypto business they're going to make millions.

[n2004al]

As for me bitcoin is not creating yet its economy. I mean the real economy. That economy in which produced and invested normally using your money (coin). The reason i think is because bitcoin is a particular currency which act only in internet and its economy can exist only there. Internet is very unreal thing, not touchable and not verifiable. So have much stealers, scammers and such kind of people that contribute to not believe in the little real serious things that can help to create the bitcoin economy. I don't know ways to invest in this economy because that two-three times I have tried I've been scammed. But I think that soon or later something will born. And it will be the first of a chain.

[ThePeddler]

I've seen a total of one business that was a legitimate opportunity. The rest have been obviously run by people that don't know what's going on and hope that just by making a crypto business they're going to make millions.

Any chance that opportunity was Gethashing?
I know cloud mining has a bad reputation these days, but the operation is the most transparent I've been involved with so far.
The group has also actively developed (and continues to improve) a full platform around using the open assets protocol including a web wallet (using SALT so everything is stored client side), an asset exchange, and a BTC/colored coin block explorer.

We just finished relocating our first of two batches of hardware to a new DC this weekend so interesting times are ahead!
https://forum.gethashing.com/t/ghfarm-batch-1-relocation-updates/5058?u=thepeddler

6 months and running so far.
With all the developments over that time, maybe some of the skeptics 4+ months ago should take another look 

[ranlo]

I've seen a total of one business that was a legitimate opportunity. The rest have been obviously run by people that don't know what's going on and hope that just by making a crypto business they're going to make millions.

Any chance that opportunity was Gethashing?
I know cloud mining has a bad reputation these days, but the operation is the most transparent I've been involved with so far.
The group has also actively developed (and continues to improve) a full platform around using the open assets protocol including a web wallet (using SALT so everything is stored client side), an asset exchange, and a BTC/colored coin block explorer.

We just finished relocating our first of two batches of hardware to a new DC this weekend so interesting times are ahead!
https://forum.gethashing.com/t/ghfarm-batch-1-relocation-updates/5058?u=thepeddler

6 months and running so far.
With all the developments over that time, maybe some of the skeptics 4+ months ago should take another look 

It wasn't. I generally stray away from cloud mining just due to the nature (you essentially rely on an unknown variables for 1+ year, in an already risky environment). You end up with over 10 different risk factors, and I just can't fathom ever taking that leap unless the reward was actually worth it (we're talking a 100-bagger, at the least).

[crazyivan]

I still get the best result for differentiation of my investments over various PoS coins. Really good return.
Gethashing is a very decent and transparent operation as well.

[SebastianJu]

I guess there's one other option - create an honest investment for us to engage in...

That's the route I went, but you're a tough bunch.  

I've met many awesome investors so far in the bitcoin world, and maybe it's just me but all of them seem burnt out. You've got bankruptcy after bankruptcy, failure after failure and so on of companies that took or lost SIGNIFICANT sums of money.
  
Freidcat?
AMC?
Bitfunder?
MtGox?
Neo & Bee?

Just between a few guys I know there were MILLIONS lost by way of these companies.

Which is why I created something that not only couldn't lose money or file bankruptcy, and allows anyone to help build revenues, but also made initial supporters whole in less than 1 year.  Those who held since the beginning have seen a ~300% return in weekly distributions as well as a ~400% appreciation of their holdings.  Perhaps investor burnout is the reason why the efforts have gone largely unnoticed, but it still hurts to see threads like this that promote failure after failure and ignore the longstanding positive projects.

Yeah, your projects are the rare case of projects with a good result. But i'm impressed with your numbers. Do you mean 400% worth of the shares and 300% return over the complete lifetime of your projects?

As far as i remember you were involved in mining. I can't imagine that this would be so outstanding rewarding.

Am i wrong?

[OgNasty]

I guess there's one other option - create an honest investment for us to engage in...

Which is why I created something that not only couldn't lose money or file bankruptcy, and allows anyone to help build revenues, but also made initial supporters whole in less than 1 year.  Those who held since the beginning have seen a ~300% return in weekly distributions as well as a ~400% appreciation of their holdings.  Perhaps investor burnout is the reason why the efforts have gone largely unnoticed, but it still hurts to see threads like this that promote failure after failure and ignore the longstanding positive projects.

Yeah, your projects are the rare case of projects with a good result. But i'm impressed with your numbers. Do you mean 400% worth of the shares and 300% return over the complete lifetime of your projects?

As far as i remember you were involved in mining. I can't imagine that this would be so outstanding rewarding.

Am i wrong?

I meant that the initial underlying investment was sold for $1.54.  As of July 1st, 2015 it had paid out $4.08.  Currently they are worth $6.67.

If you were to lump all gains into 1 number and ignore the last two months of payouts (the current quarter's data isn't available yet), your $1.54 would have become $10.75 in just over 3 years, and an even $20 if you held the BTC and never converted to fiat.  That is a 698% gain, or about 232% annually (1,299% gain or 433% annually if you never converted to fiat).  I cannot promise those numbers going forward, as it is harder for me alone to generate these returns as the club grows.  If the community were to embrace this model and participate with the hosting of units and support of our products and services, the gains for investors could continue to beat the market by a wide margin.

We are involved in mining, running a pool with a custom payout method, selling a new kind of silver physical Bitcoin wallet (as well as a few other items), and have several other ventures that are well past the planning stages.

[Branny]

I guess there's one other option - create an honest investment for us to engage in...

Which is why I created something that not only couldn't lose money or file bankruptcy, and allows anyone to help build revenues, but also made initial supporters whole in less than 1 year.  Those who held since the beginning have seen a ~300% return in weekly distributions as well as a ~400% appreciation of their holdings.  Perhaps investor burnout is the reason why the efforts have gone largely unnoticed, but it still hurts to see threads like this that promote failure after failure and ignore the longstanding positive projects.

Yeah, your projects are the rare case of projects with a good result. But i'm impressed with your numbers. Do you mean 400% worth of the shares and 300% return over the complete lifetime of your projects?

As far as i remember you were involved in mining. I can't imagine that this would be so outstanding rewarding.

Am i wrong?

I meant that the initial underlying investment was sold for $1.54.  As of July 1st, 2015 it had paid out $4.08.  Currently they are worth $6.67.

If you were to lump all gains into 1 number and ignore the last two months of payouts (the current quarter's data isn't available yet), your $1.54 would have become $10.75 in just over 3 years, and an even $20 if you held the BTC and never converted to fiat.  That is a 698% gain, or about 232% annually (1,299% gain or 433% annually if you never converted to fiat).  I cannot promise those numbers going forward, as it is harder for me alone to generate these returns as the club grows.  If the community were to embrace this model and participate with the hosting of units and support of our products and services, the gains for investors could continue to beat the market by a wide margin.

We are involved in mining, running a pool with a custom payout method, selling a new kind of silver physical Bitcoin wallet (as well as a few other items), and have several other ventures that are well past the planning stages.

So why not file with the SEC or whatever regulatory firm your country deals with and add several extra 0s to your fund?

[ranlo]

I guess there's one other option - create an honest investment for us to engage in...

Which is why I created something that not only couldn't lose money or file bankruptcy, and allows anyone to help build revenues, but also made initial supporters whole in less than 1 year.  Those who held since the beginning have seen a ~300% return in weekly distributions as well as a ~400% appreciation of their holdings.  Perhaps investor burnout is the reason why the efforts have gone largely unnoticed, but it still hurts to see threads like this that promote failure after failure and ignore the longstanding positive projects.

Yeah, your projects are the rare case of projects with a good result. But i'm impressed with your numbers. Do you mean 400% worth of the shares and 300% return over the complete lifetime of your projects?

As far as i remember you were involved in mining. I can't imagine that this would be so outstanding rewarding.

Am i wrong?

I meant that the initial underlying investment was sold for $1.54.  As of July 1st, 2015 it had paid out $4.08.  Currently they are worth $6.67.

If you were to lump all gains into 1 number and ignore the last two months of payouts (the current quarter's data isn't available yet), your $1.54 would have become $10.75 in just over 3 years, and an even $20 if you held the BTC and never converted to fiat.  That is a 698% gain, or about 232% annually (1,299% gain or 433% annually if you never converted to fiat).  I cannot promise those numbers going forward, as it is harder for me alone to generate these returns as the club grows.  If the community were to embrace this model and participate with the hosting of units and support of our products and services, the gains for investors could continue to beat the market by a wide margin.

We are involved in mining, running a pool with a custom payout method, selling a new kind of silver physical Bitcoin wallet (as well as a few other items), and have several other ventures that are well past the planning stages.

How do people even take part in your business now? It's been a long time since I first learned about it. Are you on some exchange?

[OgNasty]

So why not file with the SEC or whatever regulatory firm your country deals with and add several extra 0s to your fund?

Due to the structure of the organization, we don't exactly fit the description of a business.  There are no assurances of any kind that any revenue will be provided.  NastyFans is closer to a charity than a company in my opinion as all costs of operation are donated by individuals leaving all donations provided through operations to be distributed weekly.  There have been a few conversations with individuals about taking things to the next level with significant investment and rebranding, but not with terms appealing enough to follow thru with.  While I think growth is important, the #1 thing is to keep things fun and continue doing what is best for Bitcoin.

How do people even take part in your business now? It's been a long time since I first learned about it. Are you on some exchange?

NastyFans launched it's own auction for buying and selling seats in January of 2013.  After the collapse of GLBSE in 2012, we decided it was better to eliminate all 3rd party risk.  You can access the auction at nastyfans.org.  Bitcointalk member nonnakip has done an amazing job building the infrastructure from the ground up in C, and I think nonnakip's development is arguably the most valuable thing about NastyFans.  There are several ways to support and benefit from Nasty operations.  My personal favorite is our Minted Seats, but I would also like to bring attention to NastyPool.  In addition to using our products and services, we also encourage anyone to join in helping build NastyFans.  A great example of this is the Minted Seats Analyzer that user naypalm created.  Even I have done a little development with our NastyFans iOS App & organization of all developer tools in our Dev Center.

[SebastianJu]

I guess there's one other option - create an honest investment for us to engage in...

Which is why I created something that not only couldn't lose money or file bankruptcy, and allows anyone to help build revenues, but also made initial supporters whole in less than 1 year.  Those who held since the beginning have seen a ~300% return in weekly distributions as well as a ~400% appreciation of their holdings.  Perhaps investor burnout is the reason why the efforts have gone largely unnoticed, but it still hurts to see threads like this that promote failure after failure and ignore the longstanding positive projects.

Yeah, your projects are the rare case of projects with a good result. But i'm impressed with your numbers. Do you mean 400% worth of the shares and 300% return over the complete lifetime of your projects?

As far as i remember you were involved in mining. I can't imagine that this would be so outstanding rewarding.

Am i wrong?

I meant that the initial underlying investment was sold for $1.54.  As of July 1st, 2015 it had paid out $4.08.  Currently they are worth $6.67.

If you were to lump all gains into 1 number and ignore the last two months of payouts (the current quarter's data isn't available yet), your $1.54 would have become $10.75 in just over 3 years, and an even $20 if you held the BTC and never converted to fiat.  That is a 698% gain, or about 232% annually (1,299% gain or 433% annually if you never converted to fiat).  I cannot promise those numbers going forward, as it is harder for me alone to generate these returns as the club grows.  If the community were to embrace this model and participate with the hosting of units and support of our products and services, the gains for investors could continue to beat the market by a wide margin.

We are involved in mining, running a pool with a custom payout method, selling a new kind of silver physical Bitcoin wallet (as well as a few other items), and have several other ventures that are well past the planning stages.

That probably makes you one of the rare case of a bitcoin entrepreneur that is no scammer and no inept businessman. Refreshing i must say.

And on top... your communication is great. That is the worst point with most other entrepreneurs.

Saying that... mining doesn't exactly sound like a rewarding business anymore. Can you tell what the change would have been for someone buying shares one week ago or one month ago? If you don't have exact numbers then a guess is ok.

[OgNasty]

Can you tell what the change would have been for someone buying shares one week ago or one month ago?

I'm not sure I understand the question, but if you take a look at our thread you can see that NastyFans publishes all trades.  If you actually are a member of NastyFans, you can see charts showing data in both USD and BTC dating back to the inception of the club at nastyfans.org.

[n2004al]

http://track.finministry.com/tiny/AHr8I
Promo Code: CRTONL
250$ sign-up bonus!

Paypal accepted here as well, no hyip risk

Your proposition seems like is a sure investment. But is a common trade platform like hundred others. In which you have your part for the referral link given in the post. Which is prohibited. I had 10 days ban for posting referral links in one my post. I suggest to remove it before one of the moderators see it. For the others good luck with the trading. But it is an investment like the others.

[SebastianJu]

Can you tell what the change would have been for someone buying shares one week ago or one month ago?

I'm not sure I understand the question, but if you take a look at our thread you can see that NastyFans publishes all trades.  If you actually are a member of NastyFans, you can see charts showing data in both USD and BTC dating back to the inception of the club at nastyfans.org.

I meant when someone was not involved in OgNasty yet and bought shares one week ago, or a month ago, what percentage of profit would he have gotten nowadays? I guess you can tell that even without dividends sent out yet, right?

I only want to judge how profitable it is at the moment.

[OgNasty]

Can you tell what the change would have been for someone buying shares one week ago or one month ago?

I'm not sure I understand the question, but if you take a look at our thread you can see that NastyFans publishes all trades.  If you actually are a member of NastyFans, you can see charts showing data in both USD and BTC dating back to the inception of the club at nastyfans.org.

I meant when someone was not involved in OgNasty yet and bought shares one week ago, or a month ago, what percentage of profit would he have gotten nowadays? I guess you can tell that even without dividends sent out yet, right?

I only want to judge how profitable it is at the moment.

Well, nobody better be in OgNasty or there will be hell to pay.

As far as NastyFans goes, there are all sorts of stats available.  All you have to do is look at the iOS App, our thread, our public address, our website, or our dev site to get these answers and a lot more information.

I went ahead and pasted the trailing 9-week annual yield number from our thread here.  All our stats automatically update.

ANNUAL DONATION YIELD:


Perhaps if people did their due diligence instead of relying on the people who run securities for information, many of the scams mentioned in this thread would not have occurred.  

[SebastianJu]

Can you tell what the change would have been for someone buying shares one week ago or one month ago?

I'm not sure I understand the question, but if you take a look at our thread you can see that NastyFans publishes all trades.  If you actually are a member of NastyFans, you can see charts showing data in both USD and BTC dating back to the inception of the club at nastyfans.org.

I meant when someone was not involved in OgNasty yet and bought shares one week ago, or a month ago, what percentage of profit would he have gotten nowadays? I guess you can tell that even without dividends sent out yet, right?

I only want to judge how profitable it is at the moment.

Well, nobody better be in OgNasty or there will be hell to pay.

As far as NastyFans goes, there are all sorts of stats available.  All you have to do is look at the iOS App, our thread, our public address, our website, or our dev site to get these answers and a lot more information.

I went ahead and pasted the trailing 9-week annual yield number from our thread here.  All our stats automatically update.

ANNUAL DONATION YIELD:


Perhaps if people did their due diligence instead of relying on the people who run securities for information, many of the scams mentioned in this thread would not have occurred.  

Interesting. Judging from that you are at it since years already you are one of the better investments even though your profit is not as high as other forms of investments are. Though you are safer... that's worth a lot.

If your last paragraph was for me... i did not want to invest yet. I only wanted to know the numbers. And since you most probably know them and you can advertise your venture by posting it, i thought i can save me the time to investigate.

But i agree... before investing a real thorough investigation should be done. It's mostly better to not invest. Even with 100% annual return you lost 100% of your investment for one year. And it's open if you get it back in full.

[ranlo]

Can you tell what the change would have been for someone buying shares one week ago or one month ago?

I'm not sure I understand the question, but if you take a look at our thread you can see that NastyFans publishes all trades.  If you actually are a member of NastyFans, you can see charts showing data in both USD and BTC dating back to the inception of the club at nastyfans.org.

I meant when someone was not involved in OgNasty yet and bought shares one week ago, or a month ago, what percentage of profit would he have gotten nowadays? I guess you can tell that even without dividends sent out yet, right?

I only want to judge how profitable it is at the moment.

Well, nobody better be in OgNasty or there will be hell to pay.

As far as NastyFans goes, there are all sorts of stats available.  All you have to do is look at the iOS App, our thread, our public address, our website, or our dev site to get these answers and a lot more information.

I went ahead and pasted the trailing 9-week annual yield number from our thread here.  All our stats automatically update.

ANNUAL DONATION YIELD:


Perhaps if people did their due diligence instead of relying on the people who run securities for information, many of the scams mentioned in this thread would not have occurred. 

Interesting. Judging from that you are at it since years already you are one of the better investments even though your profit is not as high as other forms of investments are. Though you are safer... that's worth a lot.

If your last paragraph was for me... i did not want to invest yet. I only wanted to know the numbers. And since you most probably know them and you can advertise your venture by posting it, i thought i can save me the time to investigate.

But i agree... before investing a real thorough investigation should be done. It's mostly better to not invest. Even with 100% annual return you lost 100% of your investment for one year. And it's open if you get it back in full.

Yeah, I'm not in it yet, either, but I'm thinking about snagging a seat just to be part and watch what happens going forward, . Seems a seat (share) is around 29 mBTC right now.

[OgNasty]

Yeah, I'm not in it yet, either, but I'm thinking about snagging a seat just to be part and watch what happens going forward, . Seems a seat (share) is around 29 mBTC right now.

I would definitely recommend picking up 1 seat and seeing what information is available on the site.  You should get a feel for how everything works and what to expect before considering a larger stake.

[sperzel]

I wish there was. The only decent investment that I have found is Bitfinex (lending BTC/USD there), and I'm not even sure about that one.

Bitfinex is probably the safest currently. 

What exactly? Lending?

Lending in BTC and/or USD.  I don't have a lot in there at all but have been doing it for over 2 years, never had a problem.

Lending seems as an interesting option. Have also checked BTClend and other similar sites. The main problem is collateral. None of lending sites has managed to solve this issue.

There is one good lending site where the borrowers can put collateral (e.g. altcoins): BTCPop.
Depending on the rating of the borrowers loans are insured additionally up to 75%. That's why, some loans are no brainers since there is much collateral and/or a high percentage insured.

[SparkedDev]

I found something that seems decent:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171933.0

[GermanGiant]

I found something that seems decent:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171933.0

You found it ? It is your own post. Their post was in Alt coin section...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1170297.0

[SparkedDev]

I found something that seems decent:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171933.0

You found it ? It is your own post. Their post was in Alt coin section...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1170297.0

Meaning i found something to invest in.

The post are linked in my threads now i didnt even know about those post but thanks for the share.

[ranlo]

I found something that seems decent:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171933.0

You found it ? It is your own post. Their post was in Alt coin section...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1170297.0

Meaning i found something to invest in.

The post are linked in my threads now i didnt even know about those post but thanks for the share.

That business is... yeah, I'd steer clear. Essentially they're valuing their business at infinite, based on how it's run. And then you pay them so that you can get a portion, so not only do they make money from the site itself, they also profit off investors. It's a one-sided business where they win all-around.

[OgNasty]

Was wondering how long it would take SparkedDev to start trying to get others to invest in his "investments."

SparkedDev - You have made enough claims of investing hundreds of BTC that I think some proof is in order.  Please sign an address containing several hundred BTC & show us the transactions of 100+ BTC you've made from your address to invest in the claimed businesses.

[ranlo]

Was wondering how long it would take SparkedDev to start trying to get others to invest in his "investments."

SparkedDev - You have made enough claims of investing hundreds of BTC that I think some proof is in order.  Please sign an address containing several hundred BTC & show us the transactions of 100+ BTC you've made from your address to invest in the claimed businesses.

Eh, I've ignored his whole "we have 15k BTC to invest" thing. Even if he does have that much, him putting money into something doesn't make it a good investment.

[n2004al]

I found something that seems decent:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171933.0

I need any data about earnings. Seems something good and fair but it can be profitable? I have heard before about this kind of investment but haven't heard any data about the profits. There are really profits?

[SparkedDev]

beep

[ranlo]

Was wondering how long it would take SparkedDev to start trying to get others to invest in his "investments."

SparkedDev - You have made enough claims of investing hundreds of BTC that I think some proof is in order.  Please sign an address containing several hundred BTC & show us the transactions of 100+ BTC you've made from your address to invest in the claimed businesses.

Eh, I've ignored his whole "we have 15k BTC to invest" thing. Even if he does have that much, him putting money into something doesn't make it a good investment.

Anything i post i don't give guarantees, nothing in the crypto-community is trust worthy sometimes you just got to take a chance.
Also my post says that investors always investigate, also used the words might and can i never push products on no one.
In fact I've only looked for investments till yesterday till i made that post, i offer no guarantees i just post of what i find.

Also please give me a btc address ill send some btc from one of my wallets.
But i will not be disclosing my main cold wallet address for privacy issues.

This is my tip wallet and secondary main wallet.
Btc: 17puoV9ZgvFfqnXnZ5uHzfJ8A8XQFDq475
Or
Btc donation wallet: 1FAjqqxqLneU7ZEjCRZ3xYgd61uh1tpXSj

He meant wallets that have funds. A grand total of 0.007 BTC is nothing. Newbies can get that in a day off faucets, :p. Not to mention he means signed addresses. I can post any address I want -- doesn't mean I own them.

[dooglus]

please give me a btc address ill send some btc from one of my wallets.

Sure!

1EPZaxUad5RP6TdKsf4JTYAusFqzSaE8P3

Edit: no need to go overboard. Just 1% of your 15k will suffice as a demonstration.

[ranlo]

please give me a btc address ill send some btc from one of my wallets.

Sure!

1EPZaxUad5RP6TdKsf4JTYAusFqzSaE8P3

Edit: no need to go overboard. Just 1% of your 15k will suffice as a demonstration.

1% doesn't really prove anything, IMO. I'll need 15% sent to me, minimum. And then I'll report back, .

[Chef Ramsay]

I can be sent half of the reward at this address. - Just be cool and send it to a party that is part of the next wave of people that is interested in bitcoin or a charity. Or, just keep it for yourself and that's what I'd hope for.

[Digicoinz]

4-6% Daily Roi


WWW.DIGIBIT.CC

[crazyivan]

4-6% Daily Roi


WWW.DIGIBIT.CC

Hah, yeah, right.

[Digicoinz]

4-6% Daily Roi


WWW.DIGIBIT.CC

Hah, yeah, right.

yes right completed payouts today, and we're on a role

[n2004al]

4-6% Daily Roi


WWW.DIGIBIT.CC

Sure scam. And scam with big letters. Your bitcoins with that roi can be found only in the tree of your garden where are increased 100 btc every day or in the sea when can be captured easily with a magic grid.

[Digicoinz]

4-6% Daily Roi


WWW.DIGIBIT.CC

Sure scam. And scam with big letters. Your bitcoins with that roi can be found only in the tree of your garden where are increased 100 btc every day or in the sea when can be captured easily with a magic grid.

or if you read what our investment plan is


its variable ROI up to 6%/daily with principle included. which mean in approximately 20 business days you will get your BEP, which is sustainable in the system i'm running.

you can compare my program to carbon which uses a similar method, but at 7% (bep in 14 days) and they've been paying over 4 months now.


so please don't make accusations without the meat to back it up with, thank you
 

[crazyivan]

4-6% Daily Roi


WWW.DIGIBIT.CC

Sure scam. And scam with big letters. Your bitcoins with that roi can be found only in the tree of your garden where are increased 100 btc every day or in the sea when can be captured easily with a magic grid.

or if you read what our investment plan is


its variable ROI up to 6%/daily with principle included. which mean in approximately 20 business days you will get your BEP, which is sustainable in the system i'm running.

you can compare my program to carbon which uses a similar method, but at 7% (bep in 14 days) and they've been paying over 4 months now.


so please don't make accusations without the meat to back it up with, thank you
 

Scammers like you should face absolutely the worst thing karma can bring you back. You fucking piece of shit lowlife. I hope you lose every single coin you have ever had.

[n2004al]

4-6% Daily Roi


WWW.DIGIBIT.CC

Sure scam. And scam with big letters. Your bitcoins with that roi can be found only in the tree of your garden where are increased 100 btc every day or in the sea when can be captured easily with a magic grid.

or if you read what our investment plan is


its variable ROI up to 6%/daily with principle included. which mean in approximately 20 business days you will get your BEP, which is sustainable in the system i'm running.

you can compare my program to carbon which uses a similar method, but at 7% (bep in 14 days) and they've been paying over 4 months now.


so please don't make accusations without the meat to back it up with, thank you
 

I am not making accusations. I am telling the truth. It is absolutely impossible to have these profits in a day whatever is your activity. So I repeat with all my voice. Your activity is a pure scam. Soon or later this will be verified.

[Digicoinz]

I am not making accusations. I am telling the truth. It is absolutely impossible to have these profits in a day whatever is your activity. So I repeat with all my voice. Your activity is a pure scam. Soon or later this will be verified.

What truth, you just said you don't even know what my activity is, so what is your basis for your claim?

stop calling something a scam that is clearly doing exactly as its advertised.

Nothing is a scam unless it has actually scammed, not cause you just want to troll around and make predictions that something is a scam that isn't.


and here's some food for thought.......

let's use some figurative numbers... 5%/daily on an investmend that the principle amount is locked.

The wallet received for example 500$, that means there is 500$ that is actually going to be returned to the investor over a period of 20 days at 5%/day.

so the investor is literally getting their deposit back from their own money over a period of 20 days.  So where do you get scam from this?

this is what Carbon is doing, and this is what my program is doing.  try doing the math before you point fingers, 3 of them are pointing back at you.

[AcoinL.L.C]

I am not making accusations. I am telling the truth. It is absolutely impossible to have these profits in a day whatever is your activity. So I repeat with all my voice. Your activity is a pure scam. Soon or later this will be verified.

What truth, you just said you don't even know what my activity is, so what is your basis for your claim?

stop calling something a scam that is clearly doing exactly as its advertised.

Nothing is a scam unless it has actually scammed, not cause you just want to troll around and make predictions that something is a scam that isn't.


and here's some food for thought.......

let's use some figurative numbers... 5%/daily on an investmend that the principle amount is locked.

The wallet received for example 500$, that means there is 500$ that is actually going to be returned to the investor over a period of 20 days at 5%/day.

so the investor is literally getting their deposit back from their own money over a period of 20 days.  So where do you get scam from this?

this is what Carbon is doing, and this is what my program is doing.  try doing the math before you point fingers, 3 of them are pointing back at you.

You're a ponzi scheme, which is a scam since your not telling people upfront that its a ponzi.

[Digicoinz]

I am not making accusations. I am telling the truth. It is absolutely impossible to have these profits in a day whatever is your activity. So I repeat with all my voice. Your activity is a pure scam. Soon or later this will be verified.

What truth, you just said you don't even know what my activity is, so what is your basis for your claim?

stop calling something a scam that is clearly doing exactly as its advertised.

Nothing is a scam unless it has actually scammed, not cause you just want to troll around and make predictions that something is a scam that isn't.


and here's some food for thought.......

let's use some figurative numbers... 5%/daily on an investmend that the principle amount is locked.

The wallet received for example 500$, that means there is 500$ that is actually going to be returned to the investor over a period of 20 days at 5%/day.

so the investor is literally getting their deposit back from their own money over a period of 20 days.  So where do you get scam from this?

this is what Carbon is doing, and this is what my program is doing.  try doing the math before you point fingers, 3 of them are pointing back at you.

Your a ponzi scheme, which is a scam since your not telling people upfront that its a ponzi.

https://www.digibit.cc/faq

[crazyivan]

Pls stop posting your shit into this thread. BT has got a rule where you are supposed to leave the thread if the the person who s set up the thread asks you to do so.

I EXPLICITLY ASK YOU TO LEAVE THIS THREAD OR I WILL REPORT YOU AND LOCK IT.

You scammers and ponzi operators do not deserve to live in crypto world.

[Digicoinz]

Pls stop posting your shit into this thread. BT has got a rule where you are supposed to leave the thread if the the person who s set up the thread asks you to do so.

I EXPLICITLY ASK YOU TO LEAVE THIS THREAD OR I WILL REPORT YOU AND LOCK IT.

You scammers and ponzi operators do not deserve to live in crypto world.

You didn't start this thread....

[AcoinL.L.C]

I am not making accusations. I am telling the truth. It is absolutely impossible to have these profits in a day whatever is your activity. So I repeat with all my voice. Your activity is a pure scam. Soon or later this will be verified.

What truth, you just said you don't even know what my activity is, so what is your basis for your claim?

stop calling something a scam that is clearly doing exactly as its advertised.

Nothing is a scam unless it has actually scammed, not cause you just want to troll around and make predictions that something is a scam that isn't.


and here's some food for thought.......

let's use some figurative numbers... 5%/daily on an investmend that the principle amount is locked.

The wallet received for example 500$, that means there is 500$ that is actually going to be returned to the investor over a period of 20 days at 5%/day.

so the investor is literally getting their deposit back from their own money over a period of 20 days.  So where do you get scam from this?

this is what Carbon is doing, and this is what my program is doing.  try doing the math before you point fingers, 3 of them are pointing back at you.

Your a ponzi scheme, which is a scam since your not telling people upfront that its a ponzi.

https://www.digibit.cc/faq

I didn't see any mention of your site being a ponzi scheme there.

[gogxmagog]

thinks; "hmmm, Anything Sustainable Worth Investing thread. That might be interesting. I wonder...."

40 minutes later &

15 pages of scam accusations and arguing.

There's your answer!

[Digicoinz]

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check us out on twitter too https://twitter.com/DigibitLTD

[dooglus]

the investor is literally getting their deposit back from their own money over a period of 20 days.  So where do you get scam from this?

What happens on day 21? Once you've given the investor all their money back, where does the next day's money come from?

That's where we get "scam" from. In order for this not to be a scam you need to be generating 4 to 6% in real profits each day, and you can't.

I left you some trust feedback. I will remove it if you can show any evidence that you aren't running a Ponzi scheme.

[ranlo]

the investor is literally getting their deposit back from their own money over a period of 20 days.  So where do you get scam from this?

What happens on day 21? Once you've given the investor all their money back, where does the next day's money come from?

That's where we get "scam" from. In order for this not to be a scam you need to be generating 4 to 6% in real profits each day, and you can't.

I left you some trust feedback. I will remove it if you can show any evidence that you aren't running a Ponzi scheme.

This. At 4%/day, you'd turn $100 into $1m in 236 days. In less than 60 days past that, you'd be at $10m. End of year 1? $158,538,777.

Let's try with $1k and 6%. Now after:

236d: 884,867,689
296d: 29,189,741,779
365d: 1,626,802,969,124

You would be a TRILLIONAIRE on day 357, less than a year after starting. And that's just with $1k.

Something's not adding up.

[namelessname]

thinks; "hmmm, Anything Sustainable Worth Investing thread. That might be interesting. I wonder...."

40 minutes later &

15 pages of scam accusations and arguing.

There's your answer!

lol. this is funny. lol yah i also curious and felt the same way after reading.

[dooglus]

the investor is literally getting their deposit back from their own money over a period of 20 days.  So where do you get scam from this?

What happens on day 21? Once you've given the investor all their money back, where does the next day's money come from?

That's where we get "scam" from. In order for this not to be a scam you need to be generating 4 to 6% in real profits each day, and you can't.

I left you some trust feedback. I will remove it if you can show any evidence that you aren't running a Ponzi scheme.

This. At 4%/day, you'd turn $100 into $1m in 236 days. In less than 60 days past that, you'd be at $10m. End of year 1? $158,538,777.

Let's try with $1k and 6%. Now after:

236d: 884,867,689
296d: 29,189,741,779
365d: 1,626,802,969,124

You would be a TRILLIONAIRE on day 357, less than a year after starting. And that's just with $1k.

Something's not adding up.

Do you mind if I use your post to answer his enquiry of me?

[ranlo]

the investor is literally getting their deposit back from their own money over a period of 20 days.  So where do you get scam from this?

What happens on day 21? Once you've given the investor all their money back, where does the next day's money come from?

That's where we get "scam" from. In order for this not to be a scam you need to be generating 4 to 6% in real profits each day, and you can't.

I left you some trust feedback. I will remove it if you can show any evidence that you aren't running a Ponzi scheme.

This. At 4%/day, you'd turn $100 into $1m in 236 days. In less than 60 days past that, you'd be at $10m. End of year 1? $158,538,777.

Let's try with $1k and 6%. Now after:

236d: 884,867,689
296d: 29,189,741,779
365d: 1,626,802,969,124

You would be a TRILLIONAIRE on day 357, less than a year after starting. And that's just with $1k.

Something's not adding up.

Do you mind if I use your post to answer his enquiry of me?

Feel free! I was kind of surprised at how fast it compounded, but regardless, if he can become a trillionaire in under a year with $1k, he doesn't need other money.

[namelessname]

haha 1 trillion! that is like the richest man on earth. but the point is, money must come from where?? how to get from people? if u can reach that level, it wont just come from generating/mining, it usually come from printing own money or extract from commoner which may not have much knowledge of btc.

[Cointoli]

Can somebody summerize investment options mentioned above?

[bitcoin revo]

Can somebody summerize investment options mentioned above?

It probably won't hurt to look through the last 3-5 pages yourself. If someone were to summarize them, then they could miss out on a few details that would be important to you.

Plus, it won't take that long.

[ranlo]

Can somebody summerize investment options mentioned above?

The tl;dr is that if you invest $1k, within a year OP will be a trillionaire. /s

[DudeAtWork420]

I've been doing very well with NXT dividends and Asset Swaps, from the NXT Asset exchange. A few of the goo paying assets would be, SIGWONET, BFTBmining, SuperNET, Cryptofund, and a few others. With the release of BTS next week the price of NXT has dropped dramatically. Will shoot up within a few weeks, making for even better investment.

[ranlo]

I've been doing very well with NXT dividends and Asset Swaps, from the NXT Asset exchange. A few of the goo paying assets would be, SIGWONET, BFTBmining, SuperNET, Cryptofund, and a few others. With the release of BTS next week the price of NXT has dropped dramatically. Will shoot up within a few weeks, making for even better investment.

What do you mean by "Asset Swaps?" And going to look into those others, .

[crazyivan]

I've been doing very well with NXT dividends and Asset Swaps, from the NXT Asset exchange. A few of the goo paying assets would be, SIGWONET, BFTBmining, SuperNET, Cryptofund, and a few others. With the release of BTS next week the price of NXT has dropped dramatically. Will shoot up within a few weeks, making for even better investment.

What would be your number 1 recommendation and why?

[crazyivan]

Any fresh recommendations which you may find in the last month or so? Anything sustainable worth investing?

[SebastianJu]

Any fresh recommendations which you may find in the last month or so? Anything sustainable worth investing?

How does diamond coins develop? I did not observe it but you were a huge fan of them. Do you want to spread risk with other investments or did they go down?

[crazyivan]

Any fresh recommendations which you may find in the last month or so? Anything sustainable worth investing?

How does diamond coins develop? I did not observe it but you were a huge fan of them. Do you want to spread risk with other investments or did they go down?

To answer this question, I m gonna re-post something another DMD community member and my dear friend, Cryptonit, posted on DMD BTT. So you can draw your own conclusion.

Here it is:

DMD is in the last year on 7th place on gain USD value with 51% gain
(if u include below 1000 BTC marketcap coins 13th)
and no thats not coinmarketcap its single coin price
so people who staked gained 51% value each coin  AND 50% coins by staking

DMD Diamond total gain in $ value last 12 months 76%!
(51% without staking coins)!

without weak BTC the gains would be even higher
because BTC in the same timeframe lost so our $ value is influenced by that too

DMD Diamond total gain in BTC value last 12 months 181%!
(121% without staking coins)!


that alt19.com is a very interesting page i total missed that one
look this interesting stats constant upwards trend
just one whale buy in and one whale sell disturbed it


please retweet
https://twitter.com/CryptonitDMD/status/656906334856724481

[mtnsaa]

thinks; "hmmm, Anything Sustainable Worth Investing thread. That might be interesting. I wonder...."

40 minutes later &

15 pages of scam accusations and arguing.

There's your answer!

Lol...you hit the nail on the head, everytime I check an "investment" thread is all the same. It's sad to see that the Bitcoin community (and Bitcoin tech itself) as a whole is part of the problem. It's just very easy to scam people with it.

[Plento]

Every "investment" that I have made using BTC has ended up being a sham.

Every single one.

[crazyivan]

Every "investment" that I have made using BTC has ended up being a sham.

Every single one.

That tell a lot more about you then BTC. Almost all of mine are bringing profits or at least I expect them to bring me into green in the end.

[ranlo]

Every "investment" that I have made using BTC has ended up being a sham.

Every single one.

Sucks for you. Every investment I've made using BTC has ended up profitable.

Apparently you're not a knowledgeable investor and should NOT be investing.

[ahpku]

Every investment I've made using BTC has ended up profitable.

Care to share? Are you sure you mean 'invested' and not 'won some change at a dice dite' (since you mostly post in the gambling section)?

[ranlo]

Every investment I've made using BTC has ended up profitable.

Care to share? Are you sure you mean 'invested' and not 'won some change at a dice dite' (since you mostly post in the gambling section)?

I don't get involved in giving others advice on investments. I'm not your financial advisor. I'm not a registered Fiduciary advisor. I'm not your stock broker.

Do your own due diligence. You'll find that for every 100 businesses on here, MAYBE one has a chance to make a profit.

And if you put money in a casino's bankroll, you aren't investing: you're gambling. Two different things. An investment would mean you're buying part of the site. Rather than just getting a cut of profits from your input in a bankroll, you'd own equity.

[ahpku]

I don't get involved in giving others advice on investments. I'm not your . I'm not a registered Fiduciary advisor. I'm not your stock broker.

Do your own due diligence. You'll find that for every 100 businesses on here, MAYBE one has a chance to make a profit.

I assure you, Friend, I haven't mistaken you for a 'financial advisor,' a 'registered Fiduciary advisor,' or (and this I wish to impress upon you with all the force of which I am capable), surely not for my stock broker. You worried for naught

I but begged you to further regale us with your wonderful stories of profitable bitcoin-denominated investments.

[ranlo]

I don't get involved in giving others advice on investments. I'm not your . I'm not a registered Fiduciary advisor. I'm not your stock broker.

Do your own due diligence. You'll find that for every 100 businesses on here, MAYBE one has a chance to make a profit.

I assure you, Friend, I haven't mistaken you for a 'financial advisor,' a 'registered Fiduciary advisor,' or (and this I wish to impress upon you with all the force of which I am capable), surely not for my stock broker. You worried for naught

I but begged you to further regale us with your wonderful stories of profitable bitcoin-denominated investments.

I only invest as a silent investor, and only for equity. The majority of my deals are done privately and aren't things listed on the forums or on any BTC-related stock exchanges. I've only found a COUPLE of legit. opportunities here on the forums. The vast majority are scams.

[crazyivan]

I don't get involved in giving others advice on investments. I'm not your . I'm not a registered Fiduciary advisor. I'm not your stock broker.

Do your own due diligence. You'll find that for every 100 businesses on here, MAYBE one has a chance to make a profit.

I assure you, Friend, I haven't mistaken you for a 'financial advisor,' a 'registered Fiduciary advisor,' or (and this I wish to impress upon you with all the force of which I am capable), surely not for my stock broker. You worried for naught

I but begged you to further regale us with your wonderful stories of profitable bitcoin-denominated investments.

Take a look at PoS coins. Most of them are junk but there are a few which re quite interesting. Staking is a new form of crypto mining which does not require chips, electricity or anything other then investment.

[ranlo]

I don't get involved in giving others advice on investments. I'm not your . I'm not a registered Fiduciary advisor. I'm not your stock broker.

Do your own due diligence. You'll find that for every 100 businesses on here, MAYBE one has a chance to make a profit.

I assure you, Friend, I haven't mistaken you for a 'financial advisor,' a 'registered Fiduciary advisor,' or (and this I wish to impress upon you with all the force of which I am capable), surely not for my stock broker. You worried for naught

I but begged you to further regale us with your wonderful stories of profitable bitcoin-denominated investments.

Take a look at PoS coins. Most of them are junk but there are a few which re quite interesting. Staking is a new form of crypto mining which does not require chips, electricity or anything other then investment.

The issue is most PoS coins are just that: a PoS. There are really only a couple that bring something useful other than being a new coin.

[lumeire]

Probably invest in a good trading bot, set it up in a VPS then master how to profit from trades. Light it up to do ping-pong trades 24/7. That is one sustainable investment.

[crazyivan]

Probably invest in a good trading bot, set it up in a VPS then master how to profit from trades. Light it up to do ping-pong trades 24/7. That is one sustainable investment.

Have you actually managed to do that? Cause most of my trades ve generated very limited success, this is why I have suggested less volatile investments. 

[ranlo]

Probably invest in a good trading bot, set it up in a VPS then master how to profit from trades. Light it up to do ping-pong trades 24/7. That is one sustainable investment.

Have you actually managed to do that? Cause most of my trades ve generated very limited success, this is why I have suggested less volatile investments. 

I'll give you a hint: if it were stable and secure, every investor in the world would already be doing it.

[crazyivan]

Probably invest in a good trading bot, set it up in a VPS then master how to profit from trades. Light it up to do ping-pong trades 24/7. That is one sustainable investment.

Have you actually managed to do that? Cause most of my trades ve generated very limited success, this is why I have suggested less volatile investments. 

I'll give you a hint: if it were stable and secure, every investor in the world would already be doing it.

Once every investors starts doing it, it will not be profitable anymore, right?

It s always about finding niches, this is what this entire thread is about.

[OrientA]

Diamond is not an investment for most of us. When you buy it, it is very expensive. When you sell it, you get very little back. It is much worse than gold, which has a price tag.

[crazyivan]

Diamond is not an investment for most of us. When you buy it, it is very expensive. When you sell it, you get very little back. It is much worse than gold, which has a price tag.

? What kind of post is this?

I can only suppose you re posting BS to get your post count up so you get paid from that gambling service. Pls do no do that anymore or I will report you to you sig provider about posting junk and unrelated low quality posts. I have nothing against you discussing or even criticizing DMD or anything else but it s obvious you know nothing about DMD and you have never been DMD holder.

Other then DMD, has anyone considered or analyzed FLYcoin, I really like how things develop there.

[ranlo]

Diamond is not an investment for most of us. When you buy it, it is very expensive. When you sell it, you get very little back. It is much worse than gold, which has a price tag.

? What kind of post is this?

I can only suppose you re posting BS to get your post count up so you get paid from that gambling service. Pls do no do that anymore or I will report you to you sig provider about posting junk and unrelated low quality posts. I have nothing against you discussing or even criticizing DMD or anything else but it s obvious you know nothing about DMD and you have never been DMD holder.

Other then DMD, has anyone considered or analyzed FLYcoin, I really like how things develop there.

On the note about DMD, what makes it special? I saw the charts earlier showing high gains, but those are easily manipulated. A big question is WHY is it increasing? That's key to knowing if it's a good investment/sustainable.

[crazyivan]

Diamond is not an investment for most of us. When you buy it, it is very expensive. When you sell it, you get very little back. It is much worse than gold, which has a price tag.

? What kind of post is this?

I can only suppose you re posting BS to get your post count up so you get paid from that gambling service. Pls do no do that anymore or I will report you to you sig provider about posting junk and unrelated low quality posts. I have nothing against you discussing or even criticizing DMD or anything else but it s obvious you know nothing about DMD and you have never been DMD holder.

Other then DMD, has anyone considered or analyzed FLYcoin, I really like how things develop there.

On the note about DMD, what makes it special? I saw the charts earlier showing high gains, but those are easily manipulated. A big question is WHY is it increasing? That's key to knowing if it's a good investment/sustainable.

DMD s an old coin, over 2 years old, been there almost from PoS beginning. Nice community, people who understand crypto. For the rest, you better go check their thread cause this thread s not about DMD. It s about other options.

[gogxmagog]

Yup PoS coins are like bubbles (or ponzis) you can make money providing you enter and exit at the correct times. And the money you make is directly related to the money someone else is losing. I would say that sort of unethical approach to taking profit is NOT sustainable. If it hurts an individual it hurts the whole community.

There must be be sustainable investments in the btc world (I'm watching coinsilium right now) but they are not listing in these boards. Bitcointalk securities reputation is so bad no self respecting company would even bother.

[OgNasty]

Bitcointalk securities reputation is so bad no self respecting company would even bother.

99% of the blame for that falls on the people who invested in things like Goat's fictional rice patty field or usagi's endless ponzi funds.  It got to the point where issuers weren't even listing where their revenue was going to come from.  They just claimed a return and people piled in. 

I do wish there were more good options so that sites tracking these securities would pop up, more investment was directed at worthy targets, and maybe even analysts popping up to cover them.  Right now, you are right, there is very little investment happening here due to the endless scam attempts and lack of BTC by it's remaining users.  It is a shame, because I think that this type of micro-security and Bitcoin is a perfect match with all sorts of potential to build some really great stuff.  Oh well...

[crazyivan]

Yup PoS coins are like bubbles (or ponzis) you can make money providing you enter and exit at the correct times. And the money you make is directly related to the money someone else is losing. I would say that sort of unethical approach to taking profit is NOT sustainable. If it hurts an individual it hurts the whole community.

There must be be sustainable investments in the btc world (I'm watching coinsilium right now) but they are not listing in these boards. Bitcointalk securities reputation is so bad no self respecting company would even bother.

Coinsilium? Never heard of those. Do they allow you to pick your own portfolio or they act as hedge fund? Since you ve been watching them, could you pls elaborate a bit?

[crazyivan]

Ok, what else is there? Has there been anything interested which you may have found in the last couple of weeks?

[SebastianJu]

Yup PoS coins are like bubbles (or ponzis) you can make money providing you enter and exit at the correct times. And the money you make is directly related to the money someone else is losing. I would say that sort of unethical approach to taking profit is NOT sustainable. If it hurts an individual it hurts the whole community.

There must be be sustainable investments in the btc world (I'm watching coinsilium right now) but they are not listing in these boards. Bitcointalk securities reputation is so bad no self respecting company would even bother.

If you think that way then trading bit- or altcoins would be unethical too since every won bitcoin was lost by others. It's a zero game. If someone wins then some other is losing.

[ranlo]

Yup PoS coins are like bubbles (or ponzis) you can make money providing you enter and exit at the correct times. And the money you make is directly related to the money someone else is losing. I would say that sort of unethical approach to taking profit is NOT sustainable. If it hurts an individual it hurts the whole community.

There must be be sustainable investments in the btc world (I'm watching coinsilium right now) but they are not listing in these boards. Bitcointalk securities reputation is so bad no self respecting company would even bother.

If you think that way then trading bit- or altcoins would be unethical too since every won bitcoin was lost by others. It's a zero game. If someone wins then some other is losing.

The same goes with stocks. Essentially, gogx is claiming every investment known to man is a ponzi/unethical.

[SebastianJu]

Yup PoS coins are like bubbles (or ponzis) you can make money providing you enter and exit at the correct times. And the money you make is directly related to the money someone else is losing. I would say that sort of unethical approach to taking profit is NOT sustainable. If it hurts an individual it hurts the whole community.

There must be be sustainable investments in the btc world (I'm watching coinsilium right now) but they are not listing in these boards. Bitcointalk securities reputation is so bad no self respecting company would even bother.

If you think that way then trading bit- or altcoins would be unethical too since every won bitcoin was lost by others. It's a zero game. If someone wins then some other is losing.

The same goes with stocks. Essentially, gogx is claiming every investment known to man is a ponzi/unethical.

Not every investment. Trading on the price of a company should be different than owning a share in a legit business. The latter would not have losers if the business offers something of value to their customers. Because of the additional value created the customers, company and shareholders win.

It's not always a ponzi.

[ranlo]

Yup PoS coins are like bubbles (or ponzis) you can make money providing you enter and exit at the correct times. And the money you make is directly related to the money someone else is losing. I would say that sort of unethical approach to taking profit is NOT sustainable. If it hurts an individual it hurts the whole community.

There must be be sustainable investments in the btc world (I'm watching coinsilium right now) but they are not listing in these boards. Bitcointalk securities reputation is so bad no self respecting company would even bother.

If you think that way then trading bit- or altcoins would be unethical too since every won bitcoin was lost by others. It's a zero game. If someone wins then some other is losing.

The same goes with stocks. Essentially, gogx is claiming every investment known to man is a ponzi/unethical.

Not every investment. Trading on the price of a company should be different than owning a share in a legit business. The latter would not have losers if the business offers something of value to their customers. Because of the additional value created the customers, company and shareholders win.

It's not always a ponzi.

The PoS coin has customers. Those customers purchase coins. Those increase the market cap. The same as a company. Both create value in the same way (they take money in and return goods or services).

[OrientA]

The PoS coin has customers. Those customers purchase coins. Those increase the market cap. The same as a company. Both create value in the same way (they take money in and return goods or services).

Is there a PoS coin accepted by renowned high street or on line retailers (not online casinos) like bitcoin? I know Clam is accepted by a on line casino. I do not know other coins accepted. If PoS coin are distributed fairly, it can be a good one as it saves some energy.

[ranlo]

The PoS coin has customers. Those customers purchase coins. Those increase the market cap. The same as a company. Both create value in the same way (they take money in and return goods or services).

Is there a PoS coin accepted by renowned high street or on line retailers (not online casinos) like bitcoin? I know Clam is accepted by a on line casino. I do not know other coins accepted. If PoS coin are distributed fairly, it can be a good one as it saves some energy.

That's irrelevant. Is a mom and pop shop "accepted by renowned high street" people? No. It still creates value for itself. How a coin is created and/or "minted" means nothing. It either has value (people buy into it for some reason or another) or it doesn't. Fiat has nothing backing it, either, other than the perception of value, which is no different than any crypto out there.

[crazyivan]

The PoS coin has customers. Those customers purchase coins. Those increase the market cap. The same as a company. Both create value in the same way (they take money in and return goods or services).

Is there a PoS coin accepted by renowned high street or on line retailers (not online casinos) like bitcoin? I know Clam is accepted by a on line casino. I do not know other coins accepted. If PoS coin are distributed fairly, it can be a good one as it saves some energy.

Hyper s been used in a lot of online games. In addition to CLAM, it s got a read online demand. But I still love DMD, that coin has never turned me down and has brought me nothing but profits.

[EternalWingsofGod]

Bitcointalk securities reputation is so bad no self respecting company would even bother.

99% of the blame for that falls on the people who invested in things like Goat's fictional rice patty field or usagi's endless ponzi funds.  It got to the point where issuers weren't even listing where their revenue was going to come from.  They just claimed a return and people piled in. 

I do wish there were more good options so that sites tracking these securities would pop up, more investment was directed at worthy targets, and maybe even analysts popping up to cover them.  Right now, you are right, there is very little investment happening here due to the endless scam attempts and lack of BTC by it's remaining users.  It is a shame, because I think that this type of micro-security and Bitcoin is a perfect match with all sorts of potential to build some really great stuff.  Oh well...

To my knowledge the last real exchange for Bitcoin fundraising is not havelock but bnktothefuture that said the capital requirements to fundraise their tend to be greater than the tiny IPO's and share offers available on bitcoin exchanges, that and the shares are not traded on open exchange.
Basically alt-coin trading is the new securities.

[erickimani]

that is very true, there are risks of losing cash or Btc through scammers but that does not mean that we cannot invest. negative people have been there since history began, they are the reason that the security systems are put in place. or we need to do is be careful while dealing with people. the only rule that can always keep you safe is that " never trust anyone but yourself".  there are good people out there

[Timetwister]

Maybe some day reliable brokers will accept deposits in bitcoins, so you could in some sense invest in for example the stock market using bitcoins.

[stereotype]

Maybe some day reliable brokers will accept deposits in bitcoins, so you could in some sense invest in for example the stock market using bitcoins.

https://1broker.com/

[crazyivan]

Bitcointalk securities reputation is so bad no self respecting company would even bother.

99% of the blame for that falls on the people who invested in things like Goat's fictional rice patty field or usagi's endless ponzi funds.  It got to the point where issuers weren't even listing where their revenue was going to come from.  They just claimed a return and people piled in. 

I do wish there were more good options so that sites tracking these securities would pop up, more investment was directed at worthy targets, and maybe even analysts popping up to cover them.  Right now, you are right, there is very little investment happening here due to the endless scam attempts and lack of BTC by it's remaining users.  It is a shame, because I think that this type of micro-security and Bitcoin is a perfect match with all sorts of potential to build some really great stuff.  Oh well...

To my knowledge the last real exchange for Bitcoin fundraising is not havelock but bnktothefuture that said the capital requirements to fundraise their tend to be greater than the tiny IPO's and share offers available on bitcoin exchanges, that and the shares are not traded on open exchange.
Basically alt-coin trading is the new securities.

Has anyone actually used bnktothefuture? Is it possible to make any money on these startup companies? How does that work?

[EternalWingsofGod]

Bitcointalk securities reputation is so bad no self respecting company would even bother.

99% of the blame for that falls on the people who invested in things like Goat's fictional rice patty field or usagi's endless ponzi funds.  It got to the point where issuers weren't even listing where their revenue was going to come from.  They just claimed a return and people piled in.  

I do wish there were more good options so that sites tracking these securities would pop up, more investment was directed at worthy targets, and maybe even analysts popping up to cover them.  Right now, you are right, there is very little investment happening here due to the endless scam attempts and lack of BTC by it's remaining users.  It is a shame, because I think that this type of micro-security and Bitcoin is a perfect match with all sorts of potential to build some really great stuff.  Oh well...

To my knowledge the last real exchange for Bitcoin fundraising is not havelock but bnktothefuture that said the capital requirements to fundraise their tend to be greater than the tiny IPO's and share offers available on bitcoin exchanges, that and the shares are not traded on open exchange.
Basically alt-coin trading is the new securities.

Has anyone actually used bnktothefuture? Is it possible to make any money on these startup companies? How does that work?

I haven't used it myself but I brought it up crazyivan so I'll add some more details.
The reason I'm aware of the site is because of some successful launches like Bitpesa (Even though they had issues lately the challenges of micro finance and banking (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1263524.msg13072489#msg13072489) and RT Max Keiser has been running tranches on it and paying daily dividends which is why people are buying into it.

For those who are curious Keiser is from the Keiser Report on Russia Today, its been making returns as its in the third tranche and I should have clarified most companies are large scale investment that said there are minor ones like Bitcoin Capital as well.
Links below for those who are curious.

https://bnktothefuture.com/pitches/2081/_bitcoin-capital-crypto-fund-managed-by-max-keiser-simon-dixon.html
https://bnktothefuture.com/pitches/2120/_bitcoin-capital-tranche-2-crypto-fund-managed-by-max-keiser-simon-dixon.html
https://bnktothefuture.com/pitches/2543/_bitcoin-capital-3-bitcoin-fund-managed-by-simon-dixon-and-max-keiser-that-pays-daily-dividends-in-bitcoin.html

At the least in these type of assets their is a lot more promise than some other listings I've seen as always their is risk of course but it's true startup investment.

[crazyivan]

Bitcointalk securities reputation is so bad no self respecting company would even bother.

99% of the blame for that falls on the people who invested in things like Goat's fictional rice patty field or usagi's endless ponzi funds.  It got to the point where issuers weren't even listing where their revenue was going to come from.  They just claimed a return and people piled in.  

I do wish there were more good options so that sites tracking these securities would pop up, more investment was directed at worthy targets, and maybe even analysts popping up to cover them.  Right now, you are right, there is very little investment happening here due to the endless scam attempts and lack of BTC by it's remaining users.  It is a shame, because I think that this type of micro-security and Bitcoin is a perfect match with all sorts of potential to build some really great stuff.  Oh well...

To my knowledge the last real exchange for Bitcoin fundraising is not havelock but bnktothefuture that said the capital requirements to fundraise their tend to be greater than the tiny IPO's and share offers available on bitcoin exchanges, that and the shares are not traded on open exchange.
Basically alt-coin trading is the new securities.

Has anyone actually used bnktothefuture? Is it possible to make any money on these startup companies? How does that work?

I haven't used it myself but I brought it up crazyivan so I'll add some more details.
The reason I'm aware of the site is because of some successful launches like Bitpesa (Even though they had issues lately the challenges of micro finance and banking (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1263524.msg13072489#msg13072489) and RT Max Keiser has been running tranches on it and paying daily dividends which is why people are buying into it.

For those who are curious Keiser is from the Keiser Report on Russia Today, its been making returns as its in the third tranche and I should have clarified most companies are large scale investment that said there are minor ones like Bitcoin Capital as well.
Links below for those who are curious.

https://bnktothefuture.com/pitches/2081/_bitcoin-capital-crypto-fund-managed-by-max-keiser-simon-dixon.html
https://bnktothefuture.com/pitches/2120/_bitcoin-capital-tranche-2-crypto-fund-managed-by-max-keiser-simon-dixon.html
https://bnktothefuture.com/pitches/2543/_bitcoin-capital-3-bitcoin-fund-managed-by-simon-dixon-and-max-keiser-that-pays-daily-dividends-in-bitcoin.html

At the least in these type of assets their is a lot more promise than some other listings I've seen as always their is risk of course but it's true startup investment.

Thank you for this. I ve also been looking into them but I was unable to find any success stories from small startup investors. If this is good, there must be someone who has invested and can share their experience.

[stereotype]

Bitcointalk securities reputation is so bad no self respecting company would even bother.

99% of the blame for that falls on the people who invested in things like Goat's fictional rice patty field or usagi's endless ponzi funds.  It got to the point where issuers weren't even listing where their revenue was going to come from.  They just claimed a return and people piled in.  

I do wish there were more good options so that sites tracking these securities would pop up, more investment was directed at worthy targets, and maybe even analysts popping up to cover them.  Right now, you are right, there is very little investment happening here due to the endless scam attempts and lack of BTC by it's remaining users.  It is a shame, because I think that this type of micro-security and Bitcoin is a perfect match with all sorts of potential to build some really great stuff.  Oh well...

To my knowledge the last real exchange for Bitcoin fundraising is not havelock but bnktothefuture that said the capital requirements to fundraise their tend to be greater than the tiny IPO's and share offers available on bitcoin exchanges, that and the shares are not traded on open exchange.
Basically alt-coin trading is the new securities.

Has anyone actually used bnktothefuture? Is it possible to make any money on these startup companies? How does that work?

I haven't used it myself but I brought it up crazyivan so I'll add some more details.
The reason I'm aware of the site is because of some successful launches like Bitpesa (Even though they had issues lately the challenges of micro finance and banking (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1263524.msg13072489#msg13072489) and RT Max Keiser has been running tranches on it and paying daily dividends which is why people are buying into it.

For those who are curious Keiser is from the Keiser Report on Russia Today, its been making returns as its in the third tranche and I should have clarified most companies are large scale investment that said there are minor ones like Bitcoin Capital as well.
Links below for those who are curious.

https://bnktothefuture.com/pitches/2081/_bitcoin-capital-crypto-fund-managed-by-max-keiser-simon-dixon.html
https://bnktothefuture.com/pitches/2120/_bitcoin-capital-tranche-2-crypto-fund-managed-by-max-keiser-simon-dixon.html
https://bnktothefuture.com/pitches/2543/_bitcoin-capital-3-bitcoin-fund-managed-by-simon-dixon-and-max-keiser-that-pays-daily-dividends-in-bitcoin.html

At the least in these type of assets their is a lot more promise than some other listings I've seen as always their is risk of course but it's true startup investment.

Thank you for this. I ve also been looking into them but I was unable to find any success stories from small startup investors. If this is good, there must be someone who has invested and can share their experience.

Yes, its not easy finding that info (ROI, Divs, P&L, etc.) But I noticed Shapeshift was a funded company. I would have thought, this would be the best metric and demonstration of what a 'successful' investment looks like, within this context. 

https://bnktothefuture.com/pitches/2090/_shapeshift-io-now-every-bitcoin-merchant-accepts-alternative-crypto-currencies.html

[EternalWingsofGod]

Thank you for this. I ve also been looking into them but I was unable to find any success stories from small startup investors. If this is good, there must be someone who has invested and can share their experience.

No problem glad it interested you.

Yes, its not easy finding that info (ROI, Divs, P&L, etc.) But I noticed Shapeshift was a funded company. I would have thought, this would be the best metric and demonstration of what a 'successful' investment looks like, within this context.  

https://bnktothefuture.com/pitches/2090/_shapeshift-io-now-every-bitcoin-merchant-accepts-alternative-crypto-currencies.html

Shapeshift is a good company as I mentioned B2TF definitely has some pitches that were on my radar alongside some other neat ideas.
In regards to ROI for Keisers fund one of the episodes/podcasts of RT, Dixon mentioned that the first one launched was nearing 50% ROI
7:20 range in the vid

KEISER REPORT with Simon Dixon - BITCOIN CAPITAL 3  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYp-_RHEp8w

[Timetwister]

Maybe some day reliable brokers will accept deposits in bitcoins, so you could in some sense invest in for example the stock market using bitcoins.

https://1broker.com/

I said reliable, like Interactive Brokers. And there you can just buy CFD...

[stereotype]

Maybe some day reliable brokers will accept deposits in bitcoins, so you could in some sense invest in for example the stock market using bitcoins.

https://1broker.com/

I said reliable, like Interactive Brokers. And there you can just buy CFD...

Fair enough. Try IG Index .... http://www.ig.com/uk/bitcoin-btc

[Timetwister]

Maybe some day reliable brokers will accept deposits in bitcoins, so you could in some sense invest in for example the stock market using bitcoins.

https://1broker.com/

I said reliable, like Interactive Brokers. And there you can just buy CFD...

Fair enough. Try IG Index .... http://www.ig.com/uk/bitcoin-btc

Is it possible to deposit bitcoin, exchange them for USD and then invest the USD in shares?

[SebastianJu]

that is very true, there are risks of losing cash or Btc through scammers but that does not mean that we cannot invest. negative people have been there since history began, they are the reason that the security systems are put in place. or we need to do is be careful while dealing with people. the only rule that can always keep you safe is that " never trust anyone but yourself".  there are good people out there

You clearly aren't here since some years. Practically every bitcoiner was the way you are now. Until he learned better. When 95% of all investments, and that is no joke, turn out to be a scam, being hacked or run by inept businessmans then you need to be sceptic. Even the most promising and legit and official projects turned scam. NeoBee for example. Cyprus bitcoin bank. Very legit... until the owner scammed everyone.

Believe me, there is practically no early adopter who did not lose the majority, all or at least a huge part of his coins to scams. And they surely weren't dreamers. Spreading risk did not help either. Bitcoin area is simply very very dangerous. If you take this lightly then you will have to learn it the hard way. And that is a costly way.

[SebastianJu]

Maybe some day reliable brokers will accept deposits in bitcoins, so you could in some sense invest in for example the stock market using bitcoins.

https://1broker.com/

Wanted to post the same. And yes 1broker is a great site. I can recommend it. They don't have all stocks but alot already and the fees are better than elsewhere in the real market.

[SebastianJu]

Maybe some day reliable brokers will accept deposits in bitcoins, so you could in some sense invest in for example the stock market using bitcoins.

https://1broker.com/

I said reliable, like Interactive Brokers. And there you can just buy CFD...

As long as you don't hold the shares in your hands it shouldn't make a difference if you hold a CFD or a share at some brokers bank. You still have to trust the company that you own that share.

[stereotype]

that is very true, there are risks of losing cash or Btc through scammers but that does not mean that we cannot invest. negative people have been there since history began, they are the reason that the security systems are put in place. or we need to do is be careful while dealing with people. the only rule that can always keep you safe is that " never trust anyone but yourself".  there are good people out there

You clearly aren't here since some years. Practically every bitcoiner was the way you are now. Until he learned better. When 95% of all investments, and that is no joke, turn out to be a scam, being hacked or run by inept businessmans then you need to be sceptic. Even the most promising and legit and official projects turned scam. NeoBee for example. Cyprus bitcoin bank. Very legit... until the owner scammed everyone.

Believe me, there is practically no early adopter who did not lose the majority, all or at least a huge part of his coins to scams. And they surely weren't dreamers. Spreading risk did not help either. Bitcoin area is simply very very dangerous. If you take this lightly then you will have to learn it the hard way. And that is a costly way.

So so true. And you would think that such a high profile, very public, real bricks and mortar operation, like NeoBee, imploding like it did, would be all you'd need to know about the risks of this space.....but no.....the scams and gross incompetence still prevails.

Good luck finding the 5%, people.  

[SebastianJu]

that is very true, there are risks of losing cash or Btc through scammers but that does not mean that we cannot invest. negative people have been there since history began, they are the reason that the security systems are put in place. or we need to do is be careful while dealing with people. the only rule that can always keep you safe is that " never trust anyone but yourself".  there are good people out there

You clearly aren't here since some years. Practically every bitcoiner was the way you are now. Until he learned better. When 95% of all investments, and that is no joke, turn out to be a scam, being hacked or run by inept businessmans then you need to be sceptic. Even the most promising and legit and official projects turned scam. NeoBee for example. Cyprus bitcoin bank. Very legit... until the owner scammed everyone.

Believe me, there is practically no early adopter who did not lose the majority, all or at least a huge part of his coins to scams. And they surely weren't dreamers. Spreading risk did not help either. Bitcoin area is simply very very dangerous. If you take this lightly then you will have to learn it the hard way. And that is a costly way.

So so true. And you would think that such a high profile, very public, real bricks and mortar operation, like NeoBee, imploding like it did, would be all you'd need to know about the risks of this space.....but no.....the scams and gross incompetence still prevails.

Good luck finding the 5%, people.  

Not only that, it seems to be a trend that really small scammers crawl the forum like a pest. They probably are from less developed countries since they really are scamming for sums like $5. It's really funny, they do it like a work. Creating hundreds of accounts, posting, trying ideas to scam, they really put a lot of time into it.

It really is a pain to watch. At least i can stop scams from happening occassionally as escrow.

[ranlo]

that is very true, there are risks of losing cash or Btc through scammers but that does not mean that we cannot invest. negative people have been there since history began, they are the reason that the security systems are put in place. or we need to do is be careful while dealing with people. the only rule that can always keep you safe is that " never trust anyone but yourself".  there are good people out there

You clearly aren't here since some years. Practically every bitcoiner was the way you are now. Until he learned better. When 95% of all investments, and that is no joke, turn out to be a scam, being hacked or run by inept businessmans then you need to be sceptic. Even the most promising and legit and official projects turned scam. NeoBee for example. Cyprus bitcoin bank. Very legit... until the owner scammed everyone.

Believe me, there is practically no early adopter who did not lose the majority, all or at least a huge part of his coins to scams. And they surely weren't dreamers. Spreading risk did not help either. Bitcoin area is simply very very dangerous. If you take this lightly then you will have to learn it the hard way. And that is a costly way.

So so true. And you would think that such a high profile, very public, real bricks and mortar operation, like NeoBee, imploding like it did, would be all you'd need to know about the risks of this space.....but no.....the scams and gross incompetence still prevails.

Good luck finding the 5%, people.   

Not only that, it seems to be a trend that really small scammers crawl the forum like a pest. They probably are from less developed countries since they really are scamming for sums like $5. It's really funny, they do it like a work. Creating hundreds of accounts, posting, trying ideas to scam, they really put a lot of time into it.

It really is a pain to watch. At least i can stop scams from happening occassionally as escrow.

The cheapest scam I've seen around here was for literally $0.10. Yes, ten cents. And the person threw away a multi-month account to do it, too. I just... I don't get it. Really.

[crazyivan]

It all comes down to transparency. If you ask for income proof, mining address, photos, names and those are not provided, you simply pass on the offer. Do not feed the scammers.

[morantis]

I am not sure what you consider to be a good return, but I use bter.com as a small holding area for some coins and they return a 10% approx annual interest rate on the BTC balance.  Pretty much no better than a savings account.

[PCos]

Someone could vote tho this poll and give his contribute to the discussion?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1265146.0

[stereotype]

It all comes down to transparency. If you ask for income proof, mining address, photos, names and those are not provided, you simply pass on the offer. Do not feed the scammers.

For loans, yes. But for assets/equities, you also need to be able to judge integrity and competency.

[PCos]

Well, in my opinion all depends by a lot of factor. But first, a good asset management is basically for each investments! All investmet could be good but Portfolio theory (modigliani & Miller) say that allow yor BTC in more investment help you to reduce risk and to increase profit. So all could be good: from loan to Forex.

[AcoinL.L.C]

I am not sure what you consider to be a good return, but I use bter.com as a small holding area for some coins and they return a 10% approx annual interest rate on the BTC balance.  Pretty much no better than a savings account.

That's a much better return than a savings account. And 10% is a solid return, that's fairly close to the historical returns of the S&P500. The only thing is storing funds with Bter is much riskier.

[ranlo]

It all comes down to transparency. If you ask for income proof, mining address, photos, names and those are not provided, you simply pass on the offer. Do not feed the scammers.

Hmm, TIL scammers that provide "transparency" aren't actually scammers. Despite stealing money. Thanks for the clarification!

[crazyivan]

I am not sure what you consider to be a good return, but I use bter.com as a small holding area for some coins and they return a 10% approx annual interest rate on the BTC balance.  Pretty much no better than a savings account.

Yes, I know this. An excellent opportunity. Halley BTC provides 17%. However, there s always that risk of being scammed. Chinese exchange and Chinese mining operation.

[ranlo]

I am not sure what you consider to be a good return, but I use bter.com as a small holding area for some coins and they return a 10% approx annual interest rate on the BTC balance.  Pretty much no better than a savings account.

Yes, I know this. An excellent opportunity. Halley BTC provides 17%. However, there s always that risk of being scammed. Chinese exchange and Chinese mining operation.

I've never even heard of this one before... do you know how long they've been around? Or did you mean HaoBTC?

[crazyivan]

I am not sure what you consider to be a good return, but I use bter.com as a small holding area for some coins and they return a 10% approx annual interest rate on the BTC balance.  Pretty much no better than a savings account.

Yes, I know this. An excellent opportunity. Halley BTC provides 17%. However, there s always that risk of being scammed. Chinese exchange and Chinese mining operation.

I've never even heard of this one before... do you know how long they've been around? Or did you mean HaoBTC?

No, HaoBTC s lower interest. These guys have been around for about 4-5 months. I ve been using them for some time now and everything s fine, they have some promotion now.

HOWEVER, even if their business model is sustainable, this does not mean I recommend them. You ll just have to do a bit more digging and then decide.

[Karartma1]

Since bter.com got hacked it started with partnership with JUA fund management and started giving 10% on BTC holdings. I've ben using it since July I got a very nice sum considering I did nothing.
But I don't know how sustainable that is. It was a very risky investment!

[crazyivan]

Here is something else I ve been playing with recetnly, a very interesting coin and a new asset. I am a bit time holder:

Ladies and gentleman I declare that the Legendary 10 auction is officially OPEN.

The main picture says it all.
This is an auction of Unique Crypto Assets that will come preloaded with a variety of benefits.
The whole reasoning and conditions are laid out on the auction pages.

Please visit the auction link for more information. -- https://bit.diamonds/auction.html

I'm sure there will be a lot of excitement so enjoy the ride!

https://bit.diamonds/auction.html

[ranlo]

Since bter.com got hacked it started with partnership with JUA fund management and started giving 10% on BTC holdings. I've ben using it since July I got a very nice sum considering I did nothing.
But I don't know how sustainable that is. It was a very risky investment!

Interesting to see how much bter has changed. I'm not sure if I feel comfortable using them, though, considering their past.

[crazyivan]

Since bter.com got hacked it started with partnership with JUA fund management and started giving 10% on BTC holdings. I've ben using it since July I got a very nice sum considering I did nothing.
But I don't know how sustainable that is. It was a very risky investment!

Interesting to see how much bter has changed. I'm not sure if I feel comfortable using them, though, considering their past.

As soon as BTC start going up, most of other related investments and coins do not immediately follow and start sinking. So it s probably the best to stick to only investment which you can directly control on your machine and differentiate. Once BTC reaches critical mass and high enough price, there ll be inflow of new money in crypto and everything ll start booming. Just like last time.

[cryptonit]

in case the opportunity is to big for u
u can get at least 150 DMD by find someone who can take it



https://bit.diamonds/auction.html


(first round only two legendary10 are avaiable and both have a bid already!)

(The Allnatt Diamond: Unique Crypto Asset)is at 2.6 BTC

and other /The Moussaieff Red Diamond: Unique Crypto Asset) at 3.5 BTC already

so in fact both stones of phase 1 are above starting bid of phase 2 already

[crazyivan]

Oh yes, DMD Diamond, highly recommended. I am a holder and that coins s brought me nothing but profits.

[SparkedDev]

Bitvest might be a good idea here is the current stats since it opened 0ctober 26th.
Site is owned by Lightord the guy who owns 777coin

Invested (Real)       23.82323833 BTC
Invested (Margin)    118.02874022 BTC
Profits (Total)       12.11866108 BTC
Active Investments  30
Total Investors       16

[crazyivan]

Bitvest might be a good idea here is the current stats since it opened 0ctober 26th.
Site is owned by Lightord the guy who owns 777coin

Invested (Real)       23.82323833 BTC
Invested (Margin)    118.02874022 BTC
Profits (Total)       12.11866108 BTC
Active Investments  30
Total Investors       16

Hmm...this return seems interesting, however, online investments re always risky.

[moneypot]

The new MoneyPot team has successfully relaunched the site today. We have had over 40,000 bets in just over 3 hours! We welcome the public to invest in our bankroll alongside us. Investing in our bankroll means your funds back every casino on our network, instead of betting against the house edge, you can bet with it!

If you have any questions you contact us and we would be glad to help.

Happy Holidays!

[crazyivan]

The new MoneyPot team has successfully relaunched the site today. We have had over 40,000 bets in just over 3 hours! We welcome the public to invest in our bankroll alongside us. Investing in our bankroll means your funds back every casino on our network, instead of betting against the house edge, you can bet with it!

If you have any questions you contact us and we would be glad to help.

Happy Holidays!

Link pls? Why relaunch, what improvements have you implemented?

[BitcoinMarketStore]

The new MoneyPot team has successfully relaunched the site today. We have had over 40,000 bets in just over 3 hours! We welcome the public to invest in our bankroll alongside us. Investing in our bankroll means your funds back every casino on our network, instead of betting against the house edge, you can bet with it!

If you have any questions you contact us and we would be glad to help.

Happy Holidays!

Link pls? Why relaunch, what improvements have you implemented?

You could consider to invest in my shop (with collateral or not, dependig) . See my signature link.

[BTCBinary]

The only thing sustainable that is actually worth investing at this point is bitcoin (and you should have bought them 3 months ago). Buy it and Hold it and you might be getting 2 times what you invested by the middle of 2016!

[moneypot]

The new MoneyPot team has successfully relaunched the site today. We have had over 40,000 bets in just over 3 hours! We welcome the public to invest in our bankroll alongside us. Investing in our bankroll means your funds back every casino on our network, instead of betting against the house edge, you can bet with it!

If you have any questions you contact us and we would be glad to help.

Happy Holidays!

Link pls? Why relaunch, what improvements have you implemented?

https://moneypot.com

Our team purchased the site from the old owner who no longer had time to run it. We are working on new features currently. As for updated stats, we launched on the afternoon of Christmas Eve and we have already processed nearly 5 million bets, 600BTC wagered, and have earned over 21BTC for our bankroll.

[crazyivan]

The new MoneyPot team has successfully relaunched the site today. We have had over 40,000 bets in just over 3 hours! We welcome the public to invest in our bankroll alongside us. Investing in our bankroll means your funds back every casino on our network, instead of betting against the house edge, you can bet with it!

If you have any questions you contact us and we would be glad to help.

Happy Holidays!

Link pls? Why relaunch, what improvements have you implemented?

https://moneypot.com

Our team purchased the site from the old owner who no longer had time to run it. We are working on new features currently. As for updated stats, we launched on the afternoon of Christmas Eve and we have already processed nearly 5 million bets, 600BTC wagered, and have earned over 21BTC for our bankroll.

Seems interesting but I do recommend to improve overall design. I m sure u already have that under consideration.

[mercenar1e]

outside of the very very few casino investments? nothing.

[crazyivan]

outside of the very very few casino investments? nothing.

Casino investments? You mean investing in house?

[mercenar1e]

outside of the very very few casino investments? nothing.

Casino investments? You mean investing in house?

yeah.. just find a reputable house to invest with. i have searched for months on other investments and its just way too risky or its going to have very minor dividend profits.

[crowetic]

We are offering BURST assets that are based around the function of our company and our new products. We also base our assets on trading. We have enough power in mining to back them all and we keep adding more. Right now the ROI is around a year, but we're constantly adding more to give more to everyone. Our main asset is called ByteEnt. Backed by fee on our pool (second largest currently in the world for BURST.)

We also offer a more risky investment that is based off our altcoin trading. Then another that pays interest of 2% a month.

They are trusted investments that we will continue to build and make better.

We have a great team and continue to release new projects.

(currently the block explorer is down for some maintenance and switching to a new server as the coder for this is currently out of town.)


I know this isn't a BTC investment, (well, aside from the most risky asset which we only accept BTC for as to not dump BURST.) But I just wanted to show that there are a few people still trying to offer legit investments for people in the crypto market.

http://byte.enterprises

edit: we also plan to offer a true cloudmining operation that is based in BURST. The reason this can work is due to BURST being mined on hard drives. The model is completely different than someone mining BTC. The power consumption is MUCH lower. Only issue currently is BURST price causing ROI to be longer than a year, so I can't price anything exactly right to work for everyone quite yet. But that is down the line we still plan to offer this as well. If we can make it feasible.

If we do offer any cloud setups, proof will be provided in forms of accounts you can watch mining on our pool, and pictures of the farm given to those who ask in PM. Could also arrange for video.

But this is still a ways off yet.

Here to check back, close to a year later, initial investors are past ROI and the asset is worth a whole lot more than it was at initial or second phase release. We've issued our remaining assets for sale at 4 times the price they were initially, but I expect that they'll not sell at this price, and/or I will purchase them myself for release at a later date when I've added more value to the asset. But, as they sit now, they're available for purchase.


BURST carries on, despite disappearance of original dev, and I have moved the source github, and been contacted by a person who is now back working on core development, the coin has moved to a new OP ...https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1323657.0 and is heading to the future happily.

The pool... http://burst.ninja is now not only one of the largest, but by far the largest, most successful, and well known burst pool, with a substantial amount of BURST's hashpower residing there.

The main site for the project byte.enterprises is taken down in favor of getting rid of the domain, and moving the asset info to a subdomain of my business' website http://crowetic.com (development on the new page is underway, no projection now of a full completion date.)

I am still fully trusted in the community and likely much much moreso than a year ago I am currently working on the release of another asset that will be based on my real company, and its income, and will eventually pay a percentage of said income as a bonus to holders. Still working out details on this.

My company is currently servicing a good client base, and has partnerships in many directions moving forward quickly and with much excitement. Will soon likely be hiring a team of contract sales people to help with a VoIP phone project, and I've got another service released in beta...

https://cloud.crowetic.com - based on an owncloud instance, and will offer some very interesting combination of services that can be seen an outline of in the new main BURST thread. Services that have all and yet nothing to do with BURST or crypto in general, goal being to get 'normal' people to get interested in crypto, BURST, and all these 'newfangled' technologies that we believe to be the future of so many aspects of our day to day lives.

I will continue my active development of services, and currently also working on development in my development skills with which I will offer even more.

Thank you for your time, and Crowetic Computers, and the ByteEnterprises team looks forward to 2016 and beyond!

[Lbtcl PR]

We (Lbtcl ) are a very legitimate platform where you can buy cheap Chinese hashrate. We do due diligence for customers.

[arbitrage]

There is nothing that can prove you that your money is secure when you investing it in something ..Especially ponzi schemes..I think all those are just to get yours coins.
There are few mentioned earlier, maybe worth of investing but NO NOT form me!

[crowetic]

We are offering BURST assets that are based around the function of our company and our new products. We also base our assets on trading. We have enough power in mining to back them all and we keep adding more. Right now the ROI is around a year, but we're constantly adding more to give more to everyone. Our main asset is called ByteEnt. Backed by fee on our pool (second largest currently in the world for BURST.)

We also offer a more risky investment that is based off our altcoin trading. Then another that pays interest of 2% a month.

They are trusted investments that we will continue to build and make better.

We have a great team and continue to release new projects.

(currently the block explorer is down for some maintenance and switching to a new server as the coder for this is currently out of town.)


I know this isn't a BTC investment, (well, aside from the most risky asset which we only accept BTC for as to not dump BURST.) But I just wanted to show that there are a few people still trying to offer legit investments for people in the crypto market.

http://byte.enterprises

edit: we also plan to offer a true cloudmining operation that is based in BURST. The reason this can work is due to BURST being mined on hard drives. The model is completely different than someone mining BTC. The power consumption is MUCH lower. Only issue currently is BURST price causing ROI to be longer than a year, so I can't price anything exactly right to work for everyone quite yet. But that is down the line we still plan to offer this as well. If we can make it feasible.

If we do offer any cloud setups, proof will be provided in forms of accounts you can watch mining on our pool, and pictures of the farm given to those who ask in PM. Could also arrange for video.

But this is still a ways off yet.

Here to check back, close to a year later, initial investors are past ROI and the asset is worth a whole lot more than it was at initial or second phase release. We've issued our remaining assets for sale at 4 times the price they were initially, but I expect that they'll not sell at this price, and/or I will purchase them myself for release at a later date when I've added more value to the asset. But, as they sit now, they're available for purchase.


BURST carries on, despite disappearance of original dev, and I have moved the source github, and been contacted by a person who is now back working on core development, the coin has moved to a new OP ...https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1323657.0 and is heading to the future happily.

The pool... http://burst.ninja is now not only one of the largest, but by far the largest, most successful, and well known burst pool, with a substantial amount of BURST's hashpower residing there.

The main site for the project byte.enterprises is taken down in favor of getting rid of the domain, and moving the asset info to a subdomain of my business' website http://crowetic.com (development on the new page is underway, no projection now of a full completion date.)

I am still fully trusted in the community and likely much much moreso than a year ago I am currently working on the release of another asset that will be based on my real company, and its income, and will eventually pay a percentage of said income as a bonus to holders. Still working out details on this.

My company is currently servicing a good client base, and has partnerships in many directions moving forward quickly and with much excitement. Will soon likely be hiring a team of contract sales people to help with a VoIP phone project, and I've got another service released in beta...

https://cloud.crowetic.com - based on an owncloud instance, and will offer some very interesting combination of services that can be seen an outline of in the new main BURST thread. Services that have all and yet nothing to do with BURST or crypto in general, goal being to get 'normal' people to get interested in crypto, BURST, and all these 'newfangled' technologies that we believe to be the future of so many aspects of our day to day lives.

I will continue my active development of services, and currently also working on development in my development skills with which I will offer even more.

Thank you for your time, and Crowetic Computers, and the ByteEnterprises team looks forward to 2016 and beyond!

Wanted to drop by and give a link to my new asset (promised above) pre-release draft papers. The asset doesn't have a set release date yet, but you can read all about it here, and why I believe it will be a great investment. This is one of the few assets that is based off a real company, and will put USD into the market directly from said company. It is something I'll be putting a ton of effort into, to make sure it is long-term, and successful. Seeing as it is based on my personal company, I have a lot of reason to keep the asset running.

Here's the link...

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12o7gnqFWqnJFb1mPNDTwgdsCqoxavkdvJx3hF7LvCXo/edit?usp=sharing

the link is open for comments, suggestions, etc. Please comment.

(If you're the type to troll things like this, please just don't. This isn't a joke, and I would really prefer to keep the joking stuff out of it. I'm all for fun and games, but not here, not right at this point, and not in my asset release draft. Thus far I've not had this issue, but the only place I've posted it, is within the BURST thread, where I'm already a highly trusted member, and member of the core team. So please, comment, but let's be adults here and leave the trolling in the nonsense threads please. Thanks!

[crazyivan]

in case the opportunity is to big for u
u can get at least 150 DMD by find someone who can take it



https://bit.diamonds/auction.html


(first round only two legendary10 are avaiable and both have a bid already!)

(The Allnatt Diamond: Unique Crypto Asset)is at 2.6 BTC

and other /The Moussaieff Red Diamond: Unique Crypto Asset) at 3.5 BTC already

so in fact both stones of phase 1 are above starting bid of phase 2 already

6 out of 10 legendary staking addresses have been sold or received bids. 4 more to go with one being reserved. I suggest you take a look into this, DMD has brought me nothing but profits. Yes, I am a holder and a long time supporter.

[SafeBond]

My asset currently generates ~1% monthly, it's as sustainable as you can get, and it's paying dividends weekly.

[crazyivan]

My asset currently generates ~1% monthly, it's as sustainable as you can get, and it's paying dividends weekly.

What exactly is your asset?

You do know you can get a higher return from simple Bitcoin savings options.

[SafeBond]

My asset currently generates ~1% monthly, it's as sustainable as you can get, and it's paying dividends weekly.

What exactly is your asset?

You do know you can get a higher return from simple Bitcoin savings options.

Here is more info:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1382129.0

What do you mean by bitcoin saving options? Like holding it in a cold storage?