Flat Earth

[the joint]

I looked a little further into this and had two reactions:

1) I was surprised at the depth of explanation and creative thinking of flat earth models.

2) I slapped myself.

Where to begin?

A) If the sun and moon are 3000 miles away and are rotating above a flat earth, both would be visible at all times.  Because trigonometry.

B) If there is no gravity, and if the atmosphere isn't rotating along with the earth, and if the earth is accelerating upwards at the rate of gravity, then why doesn't the Earth slam into the clouds, or the sun and moon for that matter?

C) If there is both gravity and a flat earth, why don't people at the edges of the earth tumble back to the center?

D) Explain the speed of light, e.g. why does light from the moon reach us significantly faster than from the Sun?

E) Explain wind and tides.

How many do you need?  I like that people aren't afraid to question conventional thinking, but I'm getting tired of face-palming.

A) 1. Most places have between 50-100% humidity all the time so the 'dirtier' the water the shorter the distance you can see.
    2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YQ0dMJEjsk&feature=youtu.be&t=1512

B) 1, Earth is stationary. (earth is accelerating upwards, wat? )  
     2. There is no Gravity
     3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgnVRdQ7wg0

C) There is no Gravity and there is a Flat Earth and density

D) It needs determined what the moon is, certainly not a rocky sphere. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdyYKGeSekQ
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHUW3BKYpsw

E) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg2deAEhoF4



Something for the Globots to explain, I am waiting.

A)  Humidity?   I know what you're suggesting, but no.  I think you missed my post above where I asked what one might infer from a sun half-visible above the horizon line.  While to the prior poster the important point was that the sun is apparently just as large as when it is directly above you (goodbye 'vanishing point' idea), to you I would point out that it is also just as clear (goodbye 'dirty water' idea).  The Sun doesn't get hazy or blurry just before sunset, nor is it blurry or hazy at sunrise.  What you do see, however, is Earth blocking the Sun's otherwise clear visibility.

B & C) If there is no gravity but just density, why don't the Sun and Moon fall on us?  You mean to tell me from that picture you believe the Sun and Moon are less dense than air?

D)  Skipping this for a second, because...

E)  ...this is just falling apart now.  First of all, generally speaking, this video is suggesting that the Sun and the Moon are responsible for the tides.  Well...yeah.  The Moon "is" responsible for the tides, just in a different way.  Second of all, electromagnetism?  Wait a minute, back in B&C you're suggesting the moon is less dense than air.  So, what could the Sun and Moon be if they are 1) less dense than air, 2) are capable of generating such a strong electromagnetic field with so little mass (and no rotation? Or...)?  From "D" we know you don't know, so don't you think you ought to figure that out before jumping to such conclusions?  

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitoelectromagnetism

F)  I'm not even sure what the picture means.  Is it saying 1) The curvature in the bridge doesn't exist or 2) design to compensate for the curvature doesn't exist or 3) both?

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I looked a little further into this and had two reactions:

1) I was surprised at the depth of explanation and creative thinking of flat earth models.

2) I slapped myself.

Where to begin?

A) If the sun and moon are 3000 miles away and are rotating above a flat earth, both would be visible at all times.  Because trigonometry.

B) If there is no gravity, and if the atmosphere isn't rotating along with the earth, and if the earth is accelerating upwards at the rate of gravity, then why doesn't the Earth slam into the clouds, or the sun and moon for that matter?

C) If there is both gravity and a flat earth, why don't people at the edges of the earth tumble back to the center?

D) Explain the speed of light, e.g. why does light from the moon reach us significantly faster than from the Sun?

E) Explain wind and tides.

How many do you need?  I like that people aren't afraid to question conventional thinking, but I'm getting tired of face-palming.

A) 1. Most places have between 50-100% humidity all the time so the 'dirtier' the water the shorter the distance you can see.
    2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YQ0dMJEjsk&feature=youtu.be&t=1512

B) 1, Earth is stationary. (earth is accelerating upwards, wat? )  
     2. There is no Gravity
     3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgnVRdQ7wg0

C) There is no Gravity and there is a Flat Earth and density

D) It needs determined what the moon is, certainly not a rocky sphere. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdyYKGeSekQ
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHUW3BKYpsw

E) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg2deAEhoF4



Something for the Globots to explain, I am waiting.

A)  Humidity?   I know what you're suggesting, but no.  I think you missed my post above where I asked what one might infer from a sun half-visible above the horizon line.  While to the prior poster the important point was that the sun is apparently just as large as when it is directly above you (goodbye 'vanishing point' idea), to you I would point out that it is also just as clear (goodbye 'dirty water' idea).  The Sun doesn't get hazy or blurry just before sunset, nor is it blurry or hazy at sunrise.  What you do see, however, is Earth blocking the Sun's otherwise clear visibility.

B & C) If there is no gravity but just density, why don't the Sun and Moon fall on us?  You mean to tell me from that picture you believe the Sun and Moon are less dense than air?

D)  Skipping this for a second, because...

E)  ...this is just falling apart now.  First of all, generally speaking, this video is suggesting that the Sun and the Moon are responsible for the tides.  Well...yeah.  The Moon "is" responsible for the tides, just in a different way.  Second of all, electromagnetism?  Wait a minute, back in B&C you're suggesting the moon is less dense than air.  So, what could the Sun and Moon be if they are 1) less dense than air, 2) are capable of generating such a strong electromagnetic field with so little mass (and no rotation? Or...)?  From "D" we know you don't know, so don't you think you ought to figure that out before jumping to such conclusions?  

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitoelectromagnetism

F)  I'm not even sure what the picture means.  Is it saying 1) The curvature in the bridge doesn't exist or 2) design to compensate for the curvature doesn't exist or 3) both?

A) My home town right now has over 90% humidity and sun shines. Back to your trigonometry. Here are some basic vids, I am certain there are better once around but you get the drift.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R52_PdZlSq8
       Watch it twice you too can (un)learn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzRlsvWj8Hc                  


B & C & E) From information available to date it appears moon is some sort of glowing magnet. One thing is certain it is different from east to west. Like a projector screen hanging in the middle of the room and from front and back the same image has a mirrored image.
 A lot of people providing some really good info. A lot more than NASA's blue marble painting where they can't even deceit how big to paint America (or did it grow over the years)


D) Yes so much to unlearn.




F)  Design to compensate for the curvature and curvature in the bridge don't exist. Hello, 1.3 miles (2km) drop.

G) Yeh looks totaly natural (4 parts) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU2NM3PRbAg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU2NM3PRbAg

[the joint]

I looked a little further into this and had two reactions:

1) I was surprised at the depth of explanation and creative thinking of flat earth models.

2) I slapped myself.

Where to begin?

A) If the sun and moon are 3000 miles away and are rotating above a flat earth, both would be visible at all times.  Because trigonometry.

B) If there is no gravity, and if the atmosphere isn't rotating along with the earth, and if the earth is accelerating upwards at the rate of gravity, then why doesn't the Earth slam into the clouds, or the sun and moon for that matter?

C) If there is both gravity and a flat earth, why don't people at the edges of the earth tumble back to the center?

D) Explain the speed of light, e.g. why does light from the moon reach us significantly faster than from the Sun?

E) Explain wind and tides.

How many do you need?  I like that people aren't afraid to question conventional thinking, but I'm getting tired of face-palming.

A) 1. Most places have between 50-100% humidity all the time so the 'dirtier' the water the shorter the distance you can see.
    2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YQ0dMJEjsk&feature=youtu.be&t=1512

B) 1, Earth is stationary. (earth is accelerating upwards, wat? )  
     2. There is no Gravity
     3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgnVRdQ7wg0

C) There is no Gravity and there is a Flat Earth and density

D) It needs determined what the moon is, certainly not a rocky sphere. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdyYKGeSekQ
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHUW3BKYpsw

E) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg2deAEhoF4



Something for the Globots to explain, I am waiting.

A)  Humidity?   I know what you're suggesting, but no.  I think you missed my post above where I asked what one might infer from a sun half-visible above the horizon line.  While to the prior poster the important point was that the sun is apparently just as large as when it is directly above you (goodbye 'vanishing point' idea), to you I would point out that it is also just as clear (goodbye 'dirty water' idea).  The Sun doesn't get hazy or blurry just before sunset, nor is it blurry or hazy at sunrise.  What you do see, however, is Earth blocking the Sun's otherwise clear visibility.

B & C) If there is no gravity but just density, why don't the Sun and Moon fall on us?  You mean to tell me from that picture you believe the Sun and Moon are less dense than air?

D)  Skipping this for a second, because...

E)  ...this is just falling apart now.  First of all, generally speaking, this video is suggesting that the Sun and the Moon are responsible for the tides.  Well...yeah.  The Moon "is" responsible for the tides, just in a different way.  Second of all, electromagnetism?  Wait a minute, back in B&C you're suggesting the moon is less dense than air.  So, what could the Sun and Moon be if they are 1) less dense than air, 2) are capable of generating such a strong electromagnetic field with so little mass (and no rotation? Or...)?  From "D" we know you don't know, so don't you think you ought to figure that out before jumping to such conclusions?  

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitoelectromagnetism

F)  I'm not even sure what the picture means.  Is it saying 1) The curvature in the bridge doesn't exist or 2) design to compensate for the curvature doesn't exist or 3) both?

A) My home town right now has over 90% humidity and sun shines. Back to your trigonometry. Here are some basic vids, I am certain there are better once around but you get the drift.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R52_PdZlSq8
       Watch it twice you too can (un)learn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzRlsvWj8Hc                  


B & C & E) From information available to date it appears moon is some sort of glowing magnet. One thing is certain it is different from east to west. Like a projector screen hanging in the middle of the room and from front and back the same image has a mirrored image.
 A lot of people providing some really good info. A lot more than NASA's blue marble painting where they can't even deceit how big to paint America (or did it grow over the years)


D) Yes so much to unlearn.




F)  Design to compensate for the curvature and curvature in the bridge don't exist. Hello, 1.3 miles (2km) drop.

G) Yeh looks totaly natural (4 parts) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU2NM3PRbAg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU2NM3PRbAg

A)  These are anything but "back to your trigonometry."  It's more like, "Let me distract you with other models so I never have to explain why the Sun and Moon aren't both visible at all times to everyone on the planet."

B,C,E)  You don't get to have it all ways without an explanation.  You're suggesting 1) the Moon is a magnet, 2) but is less dense than air, and at its proposed size would have so little relativistic mass that it couldn't generate that kind of electromagnetic field, 3) is like a projection, but a...magnet.   Plus, 4) it seems you don't know what the Sun is, either, as it would need to adhere to your density idea, too.

D) At least you don't have as much to unlearn.  I think flat-earthers fall into two categories: 1) Pretty intelligent people with stubborn, contrarian attitudes that will do anything they can to make a contrarian idea work, or 2) people who will believe anything they are told.

F) What do you think the difference is between making a bridge of any small length vs. a bridge of longer length?  The curvature is the same regardless. It's even possible for straight girders to form curved paths on bridges; they're used all the time. You could build a bridge around the world without issue.  I think using the word "drop" is misleading you.  It's curvature, not a "drop."  It doesn't "drop" anywhere.  I'm having difficulty responding to this because I'm still having a hard time understanding what you're conceptualizing.  Regardless, it's not an issue.

G) I have to go to work.  No time to look at this.  Summarize?

[RealBitcoin]

You could fill a weather balloon full of helium, attach an iPhone, release it and let it float so high the iPhone films the curvature of the earth. After it bursts, retrieve the iPhone via GPS.

Some Boston students did it and got footage including the curvature of the earth and the deep black of space.

http://news.sky.com/story/1295234/science-students-launch-iphone-into-space

This is a picture their iPhone took clearly showing the earth is not flat.

Why is the horizon line flipping, once its curved, then after the camera rotates/flips a bit its flat, or its curved in the other direction?

What causes that flipping? It is very strange.

I`m no expert in perspective and geometry but i`m just curious. Can somebody explain please?

[montaga]

You could fill a weather balloon full of helium, attach an iPhone, release it and let it float so high the iPhone films the curvature of the earth. After it bursts, retrieve the iPhone via GPS.

Some Boston students did it and got footage including the curvature of the earth and the deep black of space.

http://news.sky.com/story/1295234/science-students-launch-iphone-into-space

This is a picture their iPhone took clearly showing the earth is not flat.

Why is the horizon line flipping, once its curved, then after the camera rotates/flips a bit its flat, or its curved in the other direction?

What causes that flipping? It is very strange.

I`m no expert in perspective and geometry but i`m just curious. Can somebody explain please?

Because a fish-eye lens is used, like gopro cameras or plane windows have the same effect.

intended to create a wide panoramic or hemispherical image

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisheye_lens

[BADecker]

Well, if it is a flat earth, what do we have? Is it simply land or water that goes on to infinity in every direction? Or is it the flat surface of one of the ends of a cylinder that we live on, and there is simply ice around the edges, and the tube floats in space rather than the stars and planets floating there?

At least the round earth people have something that is logical explained out, even if they are a bunch of liars.

[RealBitcoin]

You could fill a weather balloon full of helium, attach an iPhone, release it and let it float so high the iPhone films the curvature of the earth. After it bursts, retrieve the iPhone via GPS.

Some Boston students did it and got footage including the curvature of the earth and the deep black of space.

http://news.sky.com/story/1295234/science-students-launch-iphone-into-space

This is a picture their iPhone took clearly showing the earth is not flat.

Why is the horizon line flipping, once its curved, then after the camera rotates/flips a bit its flat, or its curved in the other direction?

What causes that flipping? It is very strange.

I`m no expert in perspective and geometry but i`m just curious. Can somebody explain please?

Because a fish-eye lens is used, like gopro cameras or plane windows have the same effect.

intended to create a wide panoramic or hemispherical image

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisheye_lens

Is there a video about the earth in large altitude, the same experiment as on that video, but with normal lense camera.

I find it confusing here ,and I cannot decide if Earth is flat or not. Yes the fish-eye lense is confusing but it doesn't prove nor disprove anything.

The same experiment needs to be repeated with normal camera.

Do you have any video about that?

[FanEagle]

I wouldn't mind if it was flat or round... the problem is why gravity is so *heavy* at times!

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Is there a video about the earth in large altitude, the same experiment as on that video, but with normal lense camera.

I find it confusing here ,and I cannot decide if Earth is flat or not. Yes the fish-eye lense is confusing but it doesn't prove nor disprove anything.

The same experiment needs to be repeated with normal camera.

Do you have any video about that?

There is one planed in a weeks time and another in about 4 weeks time weather permitting up to about 100 000 ft.

Some facts you will have to come to terms with.

• The Earth is "flat" as in the sense not being a sphere you obviously have mountains and valleys....
• The Earth does not move and makes impossible sharp turns in space.
• There is no Gravity, only density   and    https://youtu.be/D_j_SUAwafU
• Sun is not 93 million miles away only about 3-5k miles away

....more will be added


You can get accustomed to this as well:
There is no "Space".
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1009045.msg12527871#msg12527871
and just think it on a much larger scale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAIxZTfiuOg
Remember the Book of Enoch has references  "let the water divide the waters".

Educate yourself research and dont get spoon-feed. The age of awakening.

.

[BADecker]

Is there a video about the earth in large altitude, the same experiment as on that video, but with normal lense camera.

I find it confusing here ,and I cannot decide if Earth is flat or not. Yes the fish-eye lense is confusing but it doesn't prove nor disprove anything.

The same experiment needs to be repeated with normal camera.

Do you have any video about that?

There is one planed in a weeks time and another in about 4 weeks time weather permitting up to about 100 000 ft.

Some facts you will have to come to terms with.

• The Earth is "flat" as in the sense not being a sphere you obviously have mountains and valleys....
• The Earth does not move and makes impossible sharp turns in space.
• There is no Gravity, only density   and    https://youtu.be/D_j_SUAwafU
• Sun is not 93 million miles away only about 3-5k miles away

....more will be added


You can get accustomed to this as well:
There is no "Space".
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1009045.msg12527871#msg12527871
and just think it on a much larger scale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAIxZTfiuOg
Remember the Book of Enoch has references  "let the water divide the waters".

Educate yourself research and dont get spoon-feed. The age of awakening.

.

Oh how "dense" of me. I had thought these people were playing on a level playing field... you know, like a flat earth.  

They're a cult! And right in their cult they have branches. And these branches will become various denominations of their religion.

Genesis 1:6-10 in the King James Version says:

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

But a modern English Translation (NIV) of the same section says:

6 And God said, “Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water.”

7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so.

8 God called the expanse “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And
it was so.

10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw
that it was good.

So, you can see. What was translated as "Heaven" in the old King James Version, really means "sky."

What this whole section says is, that God made a division between the waters on the earth. Some of the waters He sent off into the heavens to become the stars and other heavenly bodies, later, on the 4th day. The rest of the waters He allowed to remain on the earth.

Then on earth, after the division of the waters, God let the dry ground appear.

The interesting part about this whole thing is how we have come to understand firmament. Firmament lets us think of something firm, something solid. God is telling us that the solidity is in space (sky, Heaven) rather than on earth. Combine this with Parallel Universe Theory to see that the mega-universe is an elastic solid that is made up of, possibly an infinite number of universes, all out of phase with each other, dimensionally. It is the earth that has the far less solid material in it - that it is made of - material that forces some of the "firmament" out of the way as it makes room for itself.

 

[Anubiss]

Earth is flat.
I once went off the edge and fell off. Im glad that huge turtle took Me and threw back somehere in middle of Africa.

[—]

Patricia Steere w/Mark Sargent. #16. Flat Earth & Other Hot Potatoes

Flat talk from the flat lands. We discuss new NASA moon pics, guns, alcohol, the ISS and the fourth wall, ISIS, the dome, the firmament, god, church, satellites, GPS, the Loran system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRHWyRoHpH8

[notbatman]

YouTube and social media is starting to burst at the seams with Flat Earth content.

[BADecker]

Flat earth stuff is gaining because people are smart enough to see through a bunch of NASA lies, but they are not smart enough to tell where the deception ends.

[RealBitcoin]

Flat earth stuff is gaining because people are smart enough to see through a bunch of NASA lies, but they are not smart enough to tell where the deception ends.

I`m a well educated person, but I cannot honestly tell if Earth is flat or not. It all comes down to basic logic, and epistemology.

You need to see/experience for yourself , otherwise it's not valid theory.

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Because in this thread we only speculate, and interpret things, and you know things can be interpreted infinite ways, so with this logic, there is no truth, or everything is true at the same time, its just the perspective that matters.

From 1 perspective the Earth is flat, from other it's not. Who is right and who is wrong? I certainly don't know.

[BADecker]

Flat earth stuff is gaining because people are smart enough to see through a bunch of NASA lies, but they are not smart enough to tell where the deception ends.

I`m a well educated person, but I cannot honestly tell if Earth is flat or not. It all comes down to basic logic, and epistemology.

You need to see/experience for yourself , otherwise it's not valid theory.

=========

Because in this thread we only speculate, and interpret things, and you know things can be interpreted infinite ways, so with this logic, there is no truth, or everything is true at the same time, its just the perspective that matters.

From 1 perspective the Earth is flat, from other it's not. Who is right and who is wrong? I certainly don't know.

Perhaps all of physics is defective, and there isn't any valid shape to the earth whatsoever.

[RealBitcoin]

Perhaps all of physics is defective, and there isn't any valid shape to the earth whatsoever.

Well it's like the zebra paradox:

Is a zebra a white horse with black stripes or a black horse with white stripes? Or an invisible horse with black and white stripes... Or a black and white horse with invisible stripes?

You see where I`m getting at. Things are how they are, but humans can interpret them infinite ways, and this makes almost impossible to find out what is really true and what is not.

[worhiper_-_]

You guys should read the theory of the smartest man on the universe.


http://www.timecube.com/ install an adblocker before going in

[notbatman]

You guys should read the theory of the smartest man on the universe.


http://www.timecube.com/

timecube, now there's a site I haven't browsed in at least a decade... no, wait it's been hijacked into a theme-based spam advertising site. LOL

...but, if you hit the stop button real quick you can read what bears some similarity to the original content. oh, but it's been modified with hot-button and inflammatory content. It's like a religious fanatic with Tourette's syndrome re-wrote the whole kit-n-caboodle.

That said, the original premise that 1 day actually consists of 4 days 90° out of phase with each other is interesting. Not only that the fact somebody has created an entire wikipedia article with references is even more fascinating.

In the wiki article it states that "... Greenwich Time is a global conspiracy. ...", I'll have to look into this further. 

[notbatman]

And the second page I'm lead to in my search for the Greenwich (the first one Google recommended that I clicked was in fact a link to a timecube.com image) is an article on Flat Earth leading with a quote from Napoleon.

"History is a set of lies agreed upon." -- Napoleon

http://fakeologist.com/2015/04/19/ricks-flat-earth-proof/